Brunos Early departure : AGAIN or Maybe Cut and Run

[Guest YFSC]

RE: Brunos Early departure :

 

>For Christ sake, this is an escort review site. It's not an

>escort canonization site!

 

Even for Christ's sake. That's right. and it's also NOT an escort bashing site, although you have been trying to make it into that for several months now.

 

> (1) this escort or any escort who

>holds himself out to be versatile actually bottoms; (2) this

>escort or any escort informed his clients that he would not

>bottom for them before they agreed to pay a $400 minimum fee;

 

*IF* 1 or 2 is a problem, then any CLIENTS who feel deceived can say so.

 

> (3) this escort or any escort refused to disclose a

>"medical condition" that kept him from bottoming before

>clients agreed to pay a $400 minimum fee?

 

Yes that IS an illegitimate question, unless the supposed medical condition (and we don't know that there was one in this case) could affect the health of the client. Medical information is private. Nobody has an obligation to disclose any medical information that does not affect the health of others.

[axebahia]

RE: Brunos Early departure :

 

>That's between him and them. And if any of his clients feel

>that they were cheated or misled, they can say so for

>themselves in a review.

 

What is the purpose of a review? Is it written for the benefit of the writer or the escort or is it written for the benefit of other potential clients? I think reviews are for clients so yes I think the substance of the encounter is not a private affair between escort and client once a client chooses to post a review. (We all believe that. That's why we regularly pick apart reviews and replies here.)

 

So if a client gives a positive review of an escort b/c he liked the escort and had a good time, notwithstanding that he he hired the "versatile" escort expecting him to bottom, but after agreeing to a minimum $400 fee found that the escort was medically not prepared to bottom, I would regard that as very relevant information. If you don't then you just debase the value of all positive reviews.

 

That's why I tend not to hire on the basis of positive reviews. In my experience it is these missing personal details that make most of the positive reviews here not particularly helpful. I learn a lot more from the negative reviews.

[axebahia]

RE: Brunos Early departure :

 

>That's between him and them. And if any of his clients feel

>that they were cheated or misled, they can say so for

>themselves in a review.

 

What is the purpose of a review? Is it written for the benefit of the writer or the escort or is it written for the benefit of other potential clients? I think reviews are for clients so yes I think the substance of the encounter is not a private affair between escort and client once a client chooses to post a review. (We all believe that. That's why we regularly pick apart reviews and replies here.)

 

So if a client gives a positive review of an escort b/c he liked the escort and had a good time, notwithstanding that he he hired the "versatile" escort expecting him to bottom, but after agreeing to a minimum $400 fee found that the escort was medically not prepared to bottom, I would regard that as very relevant information. If you don't then you just debase the value of all positive reviews.

 

That's why I tend not to hire on the basis of positive reviews. In my experience it is these missing personal details that make most of the positive reviews here not particularly helpful. I learn a lot more from the negative reviews.

[axebahia]

RE: Brunos Early departure :

 

>*IF* he didn't bottom that's something they were entitled to

>know ahead of time. It's NOT something that you are entitled

>to know.

 

Then what pray tell is an escort review site for in your view?

 

>That's NOT something that they were entitled to know, or you

>either. Anyone can say he doesn't bottom and doesn't need to

>provide any reason for it.

 

Well if an escort has a medical condition that prevents him from bottoming despite having advertised himself as versatile, I do feel entitled to know that before I plunk down $400. Do you apply the same blissful ignorance to all of your consumer to all of your consumer transactions. If the waitress in the Chinese restaurant was just released from quarantine, would you want to know that?

[axebahia]

RE: Brunos Early departure :

 

>About the question if he bottoms, sounds like a personal

>question to me,

 

How can it be a personal question to know whether an escort who calls himself verstile in fact bottoms or is medically capable of doing so? Do you as a consumer really feel that you are not entitled to know that before you pay a $400 minimum fee?

[axebahia]

RE: Re: Just the facts Mamm!

 

>He only made vague allusions to

>some mysterious source confirming what he thought before.

>He's just TRYING to get you/us to THINK that without having to

>say it. That way he retains deniability and can claim that he

>never made such an accusation. He has done that many times

>before. Don't be fooled by his sophistic techniques.

 

I will keep the name of my deepp throat confidential on-line here, but there is an easy way to settle this. Why not let the ubiquitous Mr. Bruno answer my direct questions honestly? Are you his "American Helper"? Are you worried that your or his business model might be revealed to the world for what it is?

[axebahia]

RE: Re: Just the facts Mamm!

 

>I would guess that IF clients went to meet him expecting him

>to bottom and he refused, there would be numerous comments

>here and also some reviews complaining of that. there sure

>have been on other escorts, but there haven't been any on

>Bruno.

 

Or alternatively, if folks actually had great experiences with him we might see much more specific posts about the nature of the sex between Bruno and his commercial paramours as there sure have been on other escorts. I don't doubt that those who hire Bruno like him, and that they might even have "subjectively" a good time with him. The question is whether others would "objectively" report a good time with Bruno or any other escort who advertises himself as versatile, contracts for a minimum $400 fee and then reports that he is medically incapable of bottoming.

[woodlawn]

RE: Re: Just the facts Mamm!

 

>I would guess that IF clients went to meet him expecting him

>to bottom and he refused, there would be numerous comments

>here and also some reviews complaining of that.

 

I would guess that there would not be. We recently had a thread started by a client who reported that the escort he hired had unprotected intercourse with him after he had already refused the escort permission for that. The thread was promptly deleted. As Tampa Yankee observed at the time, it's been made quite clear to people that negative comments about escorts from those who actually have firsthand knowledge of them are not welcome here.

[axebahia]

RE: Brunos Early departure :

 

>Let's suppose for a moment just for the sake of argument that

>Bruno didn't or doesn't bottom. There are LOTS of escorts who

>don't bottom. Is bottoming the only thing that makes an

>escort worth hiring?

 

Well any escort who claims to be versatile, and who enters into a contract for a minimum fee of $400, but who then claims to be medically incapable of bottoming is not worth hiring in my books. It disturbs me that there can be any debate about that. If an escort who knows that he has that problem, should call himself a top and not advertise as a bottom.

 

The last time this happened to me was with A-list in NYC. They sent over a "versatile" escort who claimed to be medicaly incapable of bottoming. I was pissed about forking over the $300. Don't get me wrong. We improvised and I had an ok time, but that's just not the cookie jar that I asked for, and given the choice I would have opted for another. Now please tell me why a red flag that would apply to anyone else, should be a green flag for Mr. Bruno?

[axebahia]

RE: Brunos Early departure :

 

>It was not make the bucks and run trip, it was very personal

>on his behalf that he left. Yes I was one of the lucky ones to

>meet him and I'm glad I did, he is a real gem to be with and

>not for just the sex.

 

Great, then maybe you can do what neither he nor his "American Helper" has yet done, nor have his reviewers and fan club members. Please answer my questions with specifics. Did he bottom for you? If not, did he advise you before you entered the $400 minimum contract that he had a medical condition that would prevent him from doing so? Everybody claims to be his best friend, but nobody wants to answer the question? What are you afraid of?

[trilingual]

RE: Brunos Early departure :

 

One big question is WHY you are so obsessed with knowing this information, considering that you're never going to hire Bruno yourself? Give it up, Auntie S! It's deeply tiresome. And give up the "axebahia" moniker, while you're at it. It's false advertising. Not only are you not from Bahia, you've amply demonstrated that you don't have ANY "axe." (Brazil Nuts will know what's being discussed here!)

 

BTW, in Bruno's post in Portuguese he says he had to go home because his father needs to have a heart by-pass operation. He also asked (somewhat tongue-in-cheek) if our heart surgeon in residence wants to volunteer his services? (The cardiology institute at the University of Sao Paulo is actually a very fine center and can undoubtedly take care of whatever Bruno's father needs! Brazil isn't medically backwards, as long as you can pay for quality care. Not unlike the U.S. of A.)

[+ Axiom2001]

RE: Brunos Early departure :

 

>This sorry post highlights one more probable similarity

>between Bruno and myself. On this subject, with me, your

>meter has expired.

 

 

 

I second and third and fourth and fifth what you presented here!

As in my last post--- it's on and on and on---very repetitive-- quite redundant and out and out ridiculous.

 

I guess the "poor girl" has nothing else to do but sit and constantly respond tit for tat under the guise of citing an intelligent analysis of the situation.

[VaHawk]

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[LovesYng]

Axe I never seen you so obsessed over one escort. For some reason you are so bitter against Bruno. He is not your type so moved on to the next victim. I'm not afraid or avoiding your question about Bruno. If you read a lot of my reviews I'm not that specific on the details of our time together, I think some of that time is private. I do give some highlights of our time and that's all I like to give.

 

Your just a fucking bitter old drama queen that will never be happy about anything. Why don't you go buy a blow up male doll and fuck the living shit out of it, maybe you would be happy then and think you did not have to put out $400.00 for the dolls visit. You can have all the repeats you want for free and you can even bareback the doll without worry about catching anything. Maybe even the best blow job in the world, you can deep throat the hell out of it without any gagging of the doll. What would you name it?

 

This is a dead topic but not for you and I hope you never know the reason if their is any. Keep on with your drama about Bruno, within time you will find someone new to start on.

 

When in doubt I whip it out:+

[axebahia]

>I'm not afraid or avoiding your

>question about Bruno. If you read a lot of my reviews I'm not

>that specific on the details of our time together, I think

>some of that time is private. I do give some highlights of our

>time and that's all I like to give.

 

Well, of course, it is your right not to answer the questions, but I think anybody who is inclined to hire Bruno to bottom should learn a lot from the failure of either Bruno, his fan club or his "American Helper" to answer the questions directly. I think anyone can see that someone who is prepared to give an an escort a positive review or an endorsement here but won't say whether he paid a $400 minimum fee only to be told afterwards that the versatile escort was medically incapable of bottoming is not a person whose endorsement or recommendation can be trusted.

[axebahia]

RE: Brunos Early departure :

 

>One big question is WHY you are so obsessed with knowing this

>information, considering that you're never going to hire Bruno

>yourself?

 

That's smple, to preserve the integrity of positive reviews and endorsements here. I think folks are omitting highly relevant information about Bruno while giving subjectively positive assesments of him that others would find to be objectively negative if those facts were not omitted.

 

>BTW, in Bruno's post in Portuguese he says he had to go home

>because his father needs to have a heart by-pass operation.

>He also asked (somewhat tongue-in-cheek) if our heart surgeon

>in residence wants to volunteer his services?

 

That may be true, or it may not be, but the two views are not mutually exclusive. BTW, given his reticence about answering my questions, does it really surprise you that he would resort to a "my dog died" kind of excuse"?

[VaHawk]

I DON'T WANT TO GET INVOLVED any more than my previous comment. BUT GODDAMNIT! why won't somebody answer a straight, honest, above board question from axe????? All he is asking is that the guy advertises himself as versatile, but if he can not/will not bottom, regardless of the circumstances or client, does he let the client know that before the client makes all the arrangements in advance? THIS IS NOT AN UNREASONABLE QUESTION!!! It has nothing to do with whether axe is interested in hiring him, what anyone thinks about BG or his "friends" or anything other than what this site is intended for, which is to provide an honest review/recommendation of escorts between clients!

 

Of course, you don't have to answer axe's question in this forum! But if you don't want to answer, then just say that you won't answer for whatever reason, and every one can draw their own conclusions about BG based on your replies, BG's reviews or their personal communications with BG.

 

Just answer axe's question or refuse to do so for whatever reasons, but state those reasons! Don't accuse axe of anything other than asking for an honest assessment from unbiased observers/clients because that is all he is guilty of!

[Rick Munroe]

>Your just a fucking bitter old drama queen

>that will never be happy about anything.

 

Why is it that whenever someone wants to call someone else bitter around here, they have to also attach the word "old"? I happen to know and meet a lot of happy, pleasant, contented older guys, and I also know & meet more than a few bitter, arrogant, nasty young ones.

 

>you can deep throat the hell out of it without any gagging of

>the doll. What would you name it?

 

A Rick Munroe Doll. }(

[Flower]

RE: Brunos Early departure :

 

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] .... Dude--you've lost it! Like why the fuck do you care anyway. It's not like you're an escort that he is taking business away from or that what he does affects you in any way--so when you see a post is about him, pass it up and get a grip.

 

You've really become obsessive over this, as if you have been personally rejected or put down by him--is that it? Did he refuse to have sex with you cause of....um, say bad breath? }(

......and now --what -- you're are stalking him to get even?

 

I think there is more to this than you've told us....and that deep cover secret information bull shit is far out--you've totally lost credibility and all the board is telling you so and you keep it up like you have lost touch with reality--I've watched it now without comment, almost embarrassed for you, as long as I could, but just had to say something or bust :+ So lighten up and start picking on someone else:P

[axebahia]

RE: Brunos Early departure :

 

>Like why the fuck do you care

>anyway. It's not like you're an escort that he is taking

>business away from or that what he does affects you in any

>way--so when you see a post is about him, pass it up and get a

>grip.

 

I have no particular interest in Bruno, but I do have an interest in truth in advertising and consumer protection generally. Bruno is the only escort who has been deified here recently, and having been burned by similar false or selective reporting about particular escorts in the past, I am quite keen to expose the problem as I have done here. Why would anyone on an escort review site not be interested in simple answers to the questions I have posed?

[LovesYng]

>>Your just a fucking bitter old drama queen

>>that will never be happy about anything.

>

>Why is it that whenever someone wants to call someone else

>bitter around here, they have to also attach the word "old"?

>I happen to know and meet a lot of happy, pleasant, contented

>older guys, and I also know & meet more than a few bitter,

>arrogant, nasty young ones.

>

>>you can deep throat the hell out of it without any gagging

>of

>>the doll. What would you name it?

>

>A Rick Munroe Doll. }(

 

Ok Rick I'll take it back about "old". I'll correct myself and just say bitter drama queen:P

 

The Rick Munroe Doll, cool:* I think I'm going to want to see this doll soon and without gagging:9

 

When in doubt I whip it out:+

[wayno]

WARNING....Someone is posting a fraudulant advert on American Male web site (http://www.americanmale.net/ads/AdDisplay.asp?ModelID=3803) posing as Bruno saying he will be in Houston, Texas this weekend. He uses an email address (boyfrombrasil2000@yahoo.com) that is different from what Bruno (what I believe to be the real Bruno) uses (from his web site and other postings here it is brunogaucho4u@yahoo.com). This got me suspicious so I sent an email to the real Bruno and his response was:

 

"I sorry to tell you it is no me... some body use my fotos and my name but it is no me.. he is false...

 

I no am in HOuston.. i never was in Houston.. and i no go this weekend in HOuston...

 

If you go with him you no will have Bruno GAucho..

 

Abracos...

BRuno.."

 

I have sent an email to the webmaster at American Male informing him of this. I know that there is alot of people out here who have negative feelings against Bruno but, IMHO, no one deserves to have his identity stolen and used to make a fraud on unsuspecting clients.

[axebahia]

>I have sent an email to the webmaster at American Male

>informing him of this. I know that there is alot of people

>out here who have negative feelings against Bruno but, IMHO,

>no one deserves to have his identity stolen and used to make a

>fraud on unsuspecting clients.

 

"Fraud on unsuspecting clients"? Maybe the "false Bruno will be honest with clients that he is medically incapable of bottoming before contracting to do so for a minimum fee of $400. That would appear to be an improvement over the "real" Bruno!

[Cooper]

RE: Bruno's Early departure :

 

I doubt very much if this post will put an end to the discussion on Bruno, but I did a private with him yesterday. He's currently dancing at the Gaiety. Bruno is my type and we had a very interactive session. He told me upfront, and in the Gaiety lounge, that he would not bottom for medical reasons. BTW, it's rare to find anyone who "bottoms" at the G. My time with Bruno, for just under an hour, was $200. That's the going rate at the G... I guess I'll find out real quick if this information helps!

[axebahia]

RE: Bruno's Early departure :

 

>He told me upfront, and in the

>Gaiety lounge, that he would not bottom for medical reasons.

>BTW, it's rare to find anyone who "bottoms" at the G.

 

That is helpful, but I wonder what he was doing before this intrepid reporter took up the scent? Can we agree that given the exchanges here with which he is well acquainted that he might have changed his practice? Does his web site still say "versatile"?