Brazilian and "brazilian" escorts

[trilingual]

RE: some people are just plain DUMB!

 

And about those Moroccans? A check of the map shows that Morocco (and the other North African countries) all border the Mediterranean! So, in my book, that gives them a claim to Mediterranean-ness, whatever that is.

 

I agree that a big part of what makes men from Spain and Portugal so attractive is the result of centuries of intermarriages with the various conquerors who criss-crossed the Peninsula. My expertise on Italy is minimal, but I assume there have been some similar influences there. As for the blonds and redheads, I have known a number of blue-eyed, auburn-haired Brazilians (drool!) who are the descendants of Italian immigrants from Calabria, which I believe is in the boot of Italy. Sounds "really" Italian to me!!! So where did they come from? :-)

[ad rian]

RE: ill-informed

 

>you're poorly informed about israeli

>culture. your comments are based on typical conjecture &

>prejudice. i find it laughable that you seem to think that

>you're the ultimate authority on israel, jewry, judaism, and

>many other topics. that's fine though. it would be pointless

>for me to try to get you to open your mind. maybe you'll

>eventually find your way there on your own. you're welcome

>to think what you want. you're likewise welcome to express

>yourself, though you be wrong.

 

Well coming from you, that is a compliment. Thank you. Might I suggest you read Haaretz or Tikkun more regularly, or perhaps they are as poorly informed about israeli culture as me, or their comments are based on typical conjecture & prejudice. Perhaps, you would like me to send you Sharron's recent speech calling for the "hard-working European jews of Argentina to immigrate to Israel". It is just amazing what you find when you go to the horse's mouth.

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RE: some people are just plain DUMB!

 

>And about those Moroccans? A check of the map shows that

>Morocco (and the other North African countries) all border

>the Mediterranean! So, in my book, that gives them a claim

>to Mediterranean-ness, whatever that is.

 

With Moroccans, my obsservation was really directed more at the "Italian" branding than anything else. I don't really have a problem with the Mediteranran branding for them (for the reasons above), but I do think the Israeli use is more purposely deceptive. If others disagree fine, but I do find it odd that so many are reticent about using the Israeli brand.

>

>I agree that a big part of what makes men from Spain and

>Portugal so attractive is the result of centuries of

>intermarriages with the various conquerors who criss-crossed

>the Peninsula. My expertise on Italy is minimal, but I

>assume there have been some similar influences there.

 

That is for sure, and as I said as a standard joke a lot of Northern Italians actually call Southern Italy, particularly Scicly, Africa.

 

>As

>for the blonds and redheads, I have known a number of

>blue-eyed, auburn-haired Brazilians (drool!) who are the

>descendants of Italian immigrants from Calabria, which I

>believe is in the boot of Italy. Sounds "really" Italian to

>me!!! So where did they come from? :-)

 

I don't really know, but I had a lot of fun with a blond Italo-Brazilian called Matteo who used to be on Rentboy untl last Fall. If anyone knows how to contact him now, I'd be happy to ask about Calabria.

[Guest DCeBOY]

when?

 

when did i ever say that a moroccan isn't mediterranean?

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RE: when?

 

>when did i ever say that a moroccan

>isn't mediterranean?

 

Don't be so sensitive. I never said that comment was in reply to you. It was in reply to Post 3 where the comment suggested that Israelis could reasonably brand themselves as Italians, but Moroccans and light skin blacks could not.

[Guest DCeBOY]

RE: ill-informed

 

sharon only has one R.

i do read the israeli press--in hebrew, thank you.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Brazilian Brands

 

I do agree with the statements that branding take places, but it also occurs with any other fantasy-based industry. Jocks, straight-acting, professional and several others tems are also used, beyond the merely ethnic ones. Another interesting form of branding is sexual preference: guys who prefer to be a bottom in their personal life but who top their clients or attempt to.

 

An ex of mine is Brazilian and one thing I learned from five years with him is that it is a very large country with a large ethnic mix and, therefore, you have blue eyed, brown skined, black or browned eyed, light skinned, and green eyed, black skinned people within a few geographic miles. Language is a good test, I know any number of latin escorts here in Los Angeles who do not know a word of Italian, but that can only get you so far.

 

Love is no substitute for sex.

 

http://www.gaydar.co.uk/francodisantis

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RE: Brazilian Brands

 

>I do agree with the statements that branding take places,

>but it also occurs with any other fantasy-based industry.

>Jocks, straight-acting, professional and several others tems

>are also used, beyond the merely ethnic ones.

>

I totally agree. That is why I initially pointed out that age is perhaps the greatest brand of all. If the person can carry it off well fine. If not, I just think it can be pathetic at best, or deceptive at worst. Obviously, a lot will depend on the sophistication of the client. If you have travelled as extensively as I have, some of this branding just seems funny sometimes.

 

On your point about Brazilian ethnic diversity, I would just note that part of the problem is that they also have a fairly distinct "national" character and esprit de corps that just is not the same as other Latin Americans. I think that is why some of the branding looks silly. The blond Brazilian Matteo, I refered to was very Brazilian in spirit, just like Guga the tennis star from the Germanic south-east of Btazil also seems very "Brazilian".

[CT Dick]

Offensive, again

 

>well, maybe if could spell, you would

>not be in a state of idiocy.

 

Why does it seem that you are always in an attack mode?

 

Dick

[Guest Thunderbuns]

RE: Offensive, again

 

>>well, maybe if could spell, you would

>>not be in a state of idiocy.

>

>Why does it seem that you are always in an attack mode?

>

>Dick

 

Pitt bulls tend to be that way.

 

Thunderbuns

[Bilbo]

RE: Offensive, again

 

I've known some very nice pit bulls!

[trilingual]

RE: Brazilian Brands

 

It's true about there being a kind of Brazilian national character. It doesn't really matter what color or immigrant heritage a Brazilian might have. The national culture has a way of overwhelming that. That national culture, at it's heart, is African. European "whites" were a very small minority in Brazil for much of its history, so it's only natural that so many of the cultural traits of the majority African population dominated the culture, even if the political and economic elite was European. Certainly there is a vast gulf between European Portuguese culture, focussed on melancholy and longing, and Brazilian culture, which is focussed on celebrating and enjoying life. And, of course, the presence of Africa permeates Brazilian music, food, religion and language. So just because Guga's last name is Kürten, and he's of German descent, don't make the mistake of assuming that's what he is culturally. He's as African as any other Brazilian!

 

By the way, a similar phenomenon exists in Cuba, and to a lesser extent in the Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico and coastal areas of Colombia and Venezuela, where the numerical superiority of African slaves ended up dominating and transforming the culture of the European colonial elites. Not to mention producing, through intermarriage, some of the most beautiful people on this weary planet!

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RE: Brazilian Brands

 

That national culture, at it's

>heart, is African. European "whites" were a very small

>minority in Brazil for much of its history, so it's only

>natural that so many of the cultural traits of the majority

>African population dominated the culture, even if the

>political and economic elite was European.

 

I agree, of course, but three points. First, witrhin Brazil, the recognition of that African heritage on the "European" citizens is relatively new, in fact it is something of a fad in Brazil right now for people to say that they are black.

 

Second, Brazilians see race very differently than Americans. I recall a recent conversation in Rio when I pointed out tha most of their soccer team was black, and my companions were shocked because in Brazil light skin blacks are no regarded as black, except in Bahia in the north where whites go to extrordinary extent to fit in as black. The most prominent example of that is the great singer Daniella Mercury.

 

That leads to my third point, even within Brazil there are still significant regional differences. Bahia in the north is the self-consciously most African in food, music and dance. Carnival there lasts even longer than Carnival in Rio which iself lasts much longer than Carnival in Sao Paolo. (With respect to food, Bahian stews are clearly African, the bacalhau cod dishes are clearly Portugese and the meat-based Churuscarias are clearly Germanic.) The Paolistas don't much understand that aspect of Rio or Bahia. So yes, as I said, there is a distinctive national character, but don't overstate that. The germanic south east stateof Minas Gerais which historically gives Brazil much of its political leadership, or the business metropolis odf Sao Paolo have their own regional characters which are quite distinctive. In fact some Brazilians are offended that when the world thinks of Brazil they think of Rio and Salvador.

 

>By the way, a similar phenomenon exists in Cuba, and to a

>lesser extent in the Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico and

>coastal areas of Colombia and Venezuela, where the numerical

>superiority of African slaves ended up dominating and

>transforming the culture of the European colonial elites.

>Not to mention producing, through intermarriage, some of the

>most beautiful people on this weary planet!

 

Again, all of that is true but don't over do it, as I point out to my Cuban and Vrazilian friends and those from the DR as well, it is one thing to state that race is not significant, but in all of those societies there is sunstantial racial segregation still. The flavellas of Brazil are predominantly black, the congress is not. But at any rate, Brazil is improving on that score too, and in part it does come from the increasing pride in the African heritage that one sees in Brazil.

[Guest DCeBOY]

RE: Brazilian Brands

 

ehhh... yes & no about cuba.

i once dated THE most criollo cuban ever. his whole family was very proud of being cuban & all that represents, but part of their pride was being able to trace their heritage right back to spain, without the infusion of native or african blood.

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RE: Brazilian Brands

 

>ehhh... yes & no about cuba.

>i once dated THE most criollo cuban ever. his whole family

>was very proud of being cuban & all that represents, but

>part of their pride was being able to trace their heritage

>right back to spain, without the infusion of native or

>african blood.

 

If this was a Miami Cuban that would not surprise me. That is why they are in Miami, and why Castro has outlived every American President since he came to power, and why after he leaves the American dream of restoring the children of Mayer Lansky and Batista to power will also fail!

[Guest Verde]

RE: Brazilian Brands

 

To get back to the main topic... there was once a dancer at the Gaiety who said he was Brazilian when I asked where he originally came from. He had latin looks and could easily pass for a Brazilian. But I broke his cover when I spoke to him in Portuguese and asked him where he lived in Brazil. He didn't understand a word I said and gave me the lame excuse that he was raised in America and had forgotten the language. Oh yeah? But as the OP said, who cares where he's from if he's your type and good in bed... Indeed, he was my type, but he turned out to be such a monstrous disaster in bed. So I guess he was cashing in on the hot reputation of genuine Brazilians.

 

I was on assignment in Israel/Lebanon for a couple of years and resided in a chic seaside resort town called Nahariya in the north near the Lebanese border. I rented the penthouse apartment of a Jewish couple (man from Iraq, his wife Yemen) who were some of the kindest most thoughtful people I've ever met. The eldest son, Eitan, was not yet 18 then and he would often come up to my flat to chat and trade jokes and practice his English. He was a real hottie and needless to say I was always on the verge of losing control when he was around. In the summer he would sometimes come up straight from the beach in skimpy speedos. What can I tell you (Eitan, if you read this I suspect you knew what you were doing to me). Anyhow, nothing unspeakable transpired between us... in fact my shenanigans were mainly with Arabs (I have a working knowledge of Arabic): Palestinians, Lebanese (some pros others plain pleasure seekers) and with horny young international peacekeeping soldiers. Two special ones was a cute 19 y.o. French private who was insatiable and a Nepalese Gurkha captain who bears a resemblance to Errol Flynn and who's become one of my closest friends and has remained in touch with me to this day. What's the point I'm driving at here?

I think we should try our best not to discuss certain controversial issues in this forum and get all fired up. My goodness, this site is about escorts and clients. While living in Israel I was able to observe up close and personal local politics and the day-to-day lives of the people living in that blessed beautiful land. I have my opinions but I'd rather not say anything as I don't think this is an appropriate venue for it. There's so much venom and belligerence in the exchange of posts above that the principal topic just got hijacked.

[trilingual]

RE: Brazilian Brands

 

And going back to the "African-ness" of Brazil and various Caribbean countries: Adrian of course is right that there are some people in those countries who are in serious denial about that! But that's what it is, denial. Even those pretentious criollos, with their mustachioed women (a sign of "pure Castilian descent") can't help being culturally Africanized, regardless of their actual racial/ethnic heritage, because that's what the all-pervasive culture around them is about. Drop one of those "pure Spanish" Dominicans or Venezuelans into the heart of Madrid and just see how "purely Spanish" the Madrileños will consider him, and how "un-Spanish" our visiting alien will feel! Everything's different: the food, the music, the language, the rhythm, the heat, the way the people look and move, the heat. . .

 

Also, in Brazil the notion of it's culture being profoundly African isn't all that new. It was forcefully propounded back in the thirties by Gilberto Freyre, in his fascinating sociological studies including "The Masters and the Slaves," ("Casa Grande e Senzala," in Portuguese). It's true that Brazil has significant regional differences, and certainly Salvador is much more "African" in look and feel than, say, Porto Alegre, but even there you find that the blond descendants of European immigrants know all about the orixás and candomble rites and purifications and frequently practice them! Minas Gerais may not think of itself as being Bahia (and it isn't) but it was mainly populated in colonial times by African slaves brought in to work those "general mines" and, if you walk through Belo Horizonte and other cities in Minas the majority of faces you see are black or mulato. Just think about the greatest musical interpreter of Minas (and one of the greatest of all Brazilian musicians): Milton Nascimento, who is unquestionably black and whose music frequently incorporates elements of the African traditions in Minas.

 

There's no question that as far as self-description, Brazilians (and other Latin Americans) perceive a much wider range of colors and hues than North Americans do (where you're either black or white and we have so much trouble knowing how to classify anyone who doesn't fit into on of those neat categories). But whether they're black as anthracite or a pale café-au-lait or even full-fledged blond and blue-eyed, CULTURALLY they share the same African heritage in their music, food, customs, beliefs, etc.

 

And that's about as much as I think this topic is worth flogging! Rather than engage in academic disquisitions, just go and experience it for yourself! Living it is so much more rewarding than talking about it!!!

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Brazil

 

Yes, thank you all for elaborating further. Brazil is a wonderful place and the people and their culture are a special aspect of this sense. My longest lasting relationship and the person to this day I still think of as the Love of my Life was born and raised until age 22 in Brazil and goes back at least once a year to see his mother and sister. There are something that this country does share with other Latin American cultures, including a sense of family obligation and connection, and of religion, but with less emphasis on shame or loss of face for expression of freedoms. However, in smaller towns away from the Atlantic, homosexuality and sexual freedom is not as open and nor accepted.

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RE: Brazilian Brands

 

>Drop one of those "pure Spanish"

>Dominicans or Venezuelans into the heart of Madrid and just

>see how "purely Spanish" the Madrileños will consider him,

>and how "un-Spanish" our visiting alien will feel!

 

I totally agree.

 

 

>Also, in Brazil the notion of it's culture being profoundly

>African isn't all that new. It was forcefully propounded

>back in the thirties by Gilberto Freyre, in his fascinating

>sociological studies including "The Masters and the Slaves,"

> ("Casa Grande e Senzala," in Portuguese).

 

What is new is the cutural and governmental recognition of that, not the academic recognition. It is a trend that only began with the end of the apartheid-like military rule. It is inconceivable that any prior leader of Brazil like Cardoso would go to Bahia and declare that he had black ancestors, or that Carla Perez or Daniella Mercury would do the same. Milton would always have been considered black in Brazil, but what is new is for very light skin white people to proclaim themselves black.

 

>But whether they're black as

>anthracite or a pale café-au-lait or even full-fledged blond

>and blue-eyed, CULTURALLY they share the same African

>heritage in their music, food, customs, beliefs, etc.

 

Yes, but again that is a new recognotion in Brazil, and one that in some quarters would still be controversial. I think Brazil has in some ways made more progress than South Africa at reforming, but I think there is a danger in asserting that it has made more progress than it actually has. Its political and economic leadership is unquestionably white, and those people are more likely to see themselves as Portuguese or German descendants.

[ad rian]

RE: Brazilian Brands

 

>I think we should try our best not to discuss certain

>controversial issues in this forum and get all fired up. My

>goodness, this site is about escorts and clients. While

>living in Israel I was able to observe up close and personal

>local politics and the day-to-day lives of the people living

>in that blessed beautiful land. I have my opinions but I'd

>rather not say anything as I don't think this is an

>appropriate venue for it. There's so much venom and

>belligerence in the exchange of posts above that the

>principal topic just got hijacked.

 

I think people should talk about what ever they want to here. I read some things that are controversial to me, but I don't cry. The idea that it is ok to talk about Brazilian branding but not Israeli branding is laughable. If that is hijacking, well I for one will continue to indulge, as will others I am sure.

[Guest Verde]

RE: Brazilian Brands

 

>

>I think people should talk about what ever they want to

>here.

 

 

Ho...hum...! Oh where were we? Who has the floor?

 

 

"Toda gata e parda na escuridao" (as a Brazilian writer friend would put it succinctly).