Payment protocol

[chrismac]

In trying to limit legal exposure, I've been wondering if there's a generally held opinion on which limits risk more; pay up front when you first meet, then anything that happens afterward is between two consenting adults, or pay afterwards, assuming no cop would go that far to bust a john.

 

Assume for this question that the escort is not one who demands payment up front.

[Michael]

>In trying to limit legal exposure, I've been wondering if

>there's a generally held opinion on which limits risk more;

>pay up front when you first meet, then anything that happens

>afterward is between two consenting adults, or pay

>afterwards, assuming no cop would go that far to bust a

>john.

 

In theory I suppose that it would be better to pay afterwards,

but in practice I don't think it would make much difference if

you actually ended up being targetted by the cops.

 

I think you will find that, in most jurisdictions, it is

sufficient to *offer* to pay for sex in order to be charged

with soliciting an act of prostitution. In other words, it

doesn't matter if no money changed hands as long as the cop

says that you offered him money in exchange for sex.

 

... and the cop *will* say that you offeerd him money for

sex even if you didn't ... sorry to break the bad news to

you, but cops lie about stuff like this on a regular basis ...

[Guest]

Well, a cop may lie, and one may get convicted on the basis of this lie. Nevertheless, I think it would be easier to convince a jury beyond reasonable doubt if there's a video of you handing over money to the copy. After all, we did see a video of that escort from San Antonio getting busted in a police sting. I usually hand my money over at the end. Nevertheless, I wouldn't think of showing the money without a deep-throated kiss first.

That being said, I think that the best assurances one can have of not hiring a cop is to hire someone you're pretty sure couldn't be a cop. A porn star is a primo example, because no cop's going star in a porn flick to attract vicitms! Second safest are well-established/reviewed escorts. A third probably safe category is the escort who has a website with nude pictures of himself. I would guess that the riskiest place to meet an escort would be picture-less ads in papers/magazines, or in chat-rooms. Does someone have any info to back up or refute these beliefs?

[Guest brianbb069]

For new escorts I will leave the money some place in plain sight - like on my kitchen table, then proceed to the action in the bedroom. Works for me.

[Guest Ant415]

<<In theory I suppose that it would be better to pay afterwards,

but in practice I don't think it would make much difference if

you actually ended up being targetted by the cops.>

 

You mean that you might have the opportunity to pay the cop after the sex happens. That sure is going above the call of duty in order to bust the unlawful.

[+ Lucky]

I think the cops have to get permission from thier boss to be masturbated in the line of duty. If they don't have that permission, they get a day off without pay.

[Guest LG320126]

> I think the cops have to get permission from thier boss to

>be masturbated in the line of duty. If they don't have that

>permission, they get a day off without pay.

 

ROFLMAO! Love it! :-)

[Guest jizzdepapi]

cops do an inside bust?

 

further to lucky's post, i belive that undercovers cops scoping out anal activity offer a detailed report to internal affairs (yup; that's what they're really about).

 

in the know,

jizz

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Good Points

 

Point 2 particularly makes some excellent suggestions. Unfortuantely, in smaller towns you would need to relay on your local gay newspaper and another cross-reference that you can make in these instances is to check with the classified sales manager if escorts are required to provide proof of their identification. In San Francisco, when I listed myself in the Bay Area Reporter, we had to come in person and show ID in order to place a model/escort ad. While a cop could certainly do that, it would certainly provide some additional grounds for entrapment. Another cross-reference would be to select an escort who advertises frequently. Police will generally not budget nor receive permission to run such advertisement year in and year out, certainly not with the same officer. Agency's may afford a different sort of protection in that you can call and meet with the owner/manager, ask questions, ask if they are with the better business bureau, ask to see their business license. All such information would be a matter of public record. In addition, consider the community you are in, what is the district attorney like, the police commission or the police in general, and what are their attitudes about vice. In which case, travel may be preferrable if your concern is such and your position in your community is such that to risk arrest would be greviously unfortunate.

 

As an escort, for my own protection, I would never accept for nor ask for money up front and I get a lot of "flak" from my fellow escort friends for this policy. But I do a large amount of "bull shit detection" on line or over the telephone, which most certainly and assuredly has costs me clients but I have never had a problem. From the prospective of a client, the same is true: how long have you been escorting, do you enjoy it, how recent is your picture, have you done any pornographic movies I could rent to see you in action? If not, have you ever considered it? These are all questions which have been put to me, for example, by clients requiring assurances. Often, if I have any doubts when I arrive I start with a massage, in your case you may request a sensual massage -- just be prepared to pay for a full service escort.

 

Finally, post number three makes a good point for all escorts, not just the new ones. Go to your bank and request the cash in large bills and ask that it be placed by the teller in an envelope. Do not touch or handle the cash yourself. Pick up the envelope from a corner, go home, get a zip lock bag which you pick up with gloves or a cloth, open the envelope up and let the money slide in and again, without touching the zip lock bag with your own hands, put it on a clean piece of paper towel somewhere visible to the escort. At the end of the session, point, do not speak, about it. Let the escort touch and open the envelope. It is extreme, I know, but this may be beneficial to you in the long run. You can tell the escort you have a Howard Hughes like aversion to germs. Of course, make sure you say this before you rim him....

[Bilbo]

RE: Good Points

 

I always have a bit of a "chorus boy" smile - a little "plastic" for you non-musical-theatre inclined - whenever I am paid with an $100 bill. They just aren't used much around here and call attention to themselves, and some places in town the cashiers can't even handle them. So when DiSantis says big bills, please, nothing larger than a $50! ;-)

[+ deej]

RE: Good Points

 

Interesting, Bilbo.

 

I *usually* try to have big bills rather than a stack-o-20's from the ATM. I've actually had guys thank me for it.

 

I started that after an encounter with a regular "travelin'" ho who looked at me with his big blue eyes and asked "do you know where I could break down this stack-o-20's I've piled up on this trip to make it easier to carry?"

 

(I did know, of course. Banco Deej!)

 

He'd also been doing the strip circuit and had a TON of singles to consolidate. The look on the teller's face was *priceless*! :9

[Guest regulation]

Does someone have any info to back up or

>refute these beliefs?

 

 

Yes. The fact is that law enforcement often uses "CI's" or confidential informants who are not police officers and can do things that officers cannot do in order to set up a bust. Law enforcement can get a genuine escort or agency to front for them in a sting operation in return for cutting the escort or agency a break on some other prosecution. That, I believe, is how Marion Barry was caught. Law enforcement cannot direct a CI to commit a crime in order to set up a bust, but they can come in after the crime has occurred, arrest both of you, and let the CI walk in return for his cooperation, which is much the same thing. It is not safe to assume everything is fine because the escort kisses you or even goes through with the appointment in its entirety -- you can still be busted.

[Bilbo]

RE: Good Points

 

Dear Deej, Remember I am a niche marketer in what I think we're calling a "secondary city." Most of my clients could pay me with one $100 bill. (Plus $25 shortly - You may remember that my New Year's relolution was to get down under 200 pounds and then raise my fees? I was right on 200 at the gym Monday!) (And if you think that I'm going to sit here in Houston and try to charge more than Kristian? Ha!) Anyway, were I getting $300 an hour or $1,000 overnight, I can see how I would appreciate a smaller number of larger bills. I think that I would still appreciate it if you would make the first $100 of my fee 50s or 20s, just in case you are actually my only client that day.

 

And the only time I have had wads and wads of ones to consolidate was when I would be running a charity show and then the bar would do it for me. :*

[+ deej]

RE: Good Points

 

Congrats on the weight loss!

 

I guess I've just been hanging around urban areas for too long. The only time I'm *remotely* hesitant about paying with a hundred is with taxi drivers. <shrug>

[Guest jizzdepapi]

a little bit to further capitalism!

 

i sometimes go into Dunkin Donuts and ask for a cup of coffee and a 2 or 3 munchkin.

 

offer a $100 bill for payment and you sometimes get free food.

 

best,

jizz

 

p.s.: just kidding but i know people who do it.