Response to PickWick

[Traveller]

RE: Response

 

>Right now, I like Wendy's.

 

But I hope you're wearing your black veil. Dave died yesterday.

 

Later.

 

PS. Not on my Dead List though. Looks like I'm off to another bad start.

 

PPS. And bullets, sweetie. The configuration of the bathroom don't make a difference.

[+ Lucky]

RE: Response

 

Tell her!

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

>>concede

>>caveat

>>presupposes

>>implicit

>>hypothesizes

>>subjugated

>>austerity

>

>Whatever happened to little old words like "cock" "cum"

>"thrust" "juicy" "shoot" "spread" and "swallow"?

 

(Note to self: I have to practice more on my vocabulary. I think the 'say and do' technique is probably the best way to build it. )

 

:-)

[Matt_Vancouver]

>Thanks for responding. I asked you for two reasons. One

>is, as I said, that you are just about the only escort I've

>encountered who seems capable of doing something real with

>his life. .

 

Pick, I'm guessing that you've had some bad experiences with the escorts you've hired, other than Rod of course, who is the only truly intelligent man to ever become a hooker apparently. Yes, there are a lot of guys attracted to escorting because it doesn't take a lot of brains, or education, but like I said in the original thread, there are a lot of 'us' who are capable of doing something 'real' with our lives, but choose to escort.

Question, what makes an occupational choice 'real'? Degrees? Prestige? Income? Portfolio?

If that is the criteria that we are 'judging', does this then mean someone who chooses to work as a social worker,counselor, or care worker, is not in a 'real' job?

 

 

>I've always suspected that people who try to make being a

>prostitute sound like an intellectual challenge are just

>bullshitting. Thanks for confirming that.

 

 

Who has ever said it was intellectually challenging? We are after all a bunch of dumb whores...duh! Coming up with words like intellectual, is, frankly, beyond our vocabulary.

 

>> To me, your description on the

>Muscle Service message board of what you do as an escort

>sounds incredibly boring as well as trivial. Being a civil

>engineer who focuses on environmental problems, on the other

>hand, sounds interesting and important.

 

Have you ever seen what an engineer does? YAWWWWWWWWWNNNNNN! No offence to any engineers out there, but c'mon, interesting?

Oh but it is important, of course we need engineers, but what about the plumber you hire when you sink backs up? Or the police officer that patrols your neighbourhood? Neither of these, very real jobs, requires a whole lot of education, does this make them any less important?

 

Matt(just shut up and suck)

[phage]

>But as for me even before I was an escort I always

>subscribed to a self-made philosophy in which if when I die

>I have NO MONEY then I won.

 

I completely agree. It will just take delicate balancing to make sure you spend everything without running out prematurely. I plan on going one step farther and dying in debt. I want to owe money to every credit card company, every car company, and every high-end store in the country! They may not mourn my death, but at least they will have to take a write off.

[Rick Munroe]

RE: Response

 

Boston Market on 23rd St has a wonderful mix (if you go at just the right time) of humpy escorts straight from the gym, blind people from Selis Manor who can't find the soda fountain, and old people who squabble over who gets to use the $1.00 off coupon that they found on a table. The chicken is OK.

[Guest spendlove]

I want to thank Rod for being so frank and forthcoming about his own experiences and his motives.

 

>The smart entrepreneurs may be a minority of the escorts out

>there at any given time, but they're the ones everybody is

>interested in and satisfied with.

 

To the author of the above, I guess you must be speaking for 'everybody' except me. The prostitutes you are talking about tend to be the older ones and those are not the ones I usually hire. Most of those I have hired have been guys in their early twenties who are doing it to get money for school or to supplement a meager paycheck from some entry-level job. The few guys I have hired who do this full-time have been people who I would say want to prolong their childhood and postpone adult responsibilities like paying taxes, working long hours and dealing with bosses and coworkers. I don't claim my experience is universal, it's just my experience.

 

I don't think anyone here is saying that prostitution is immoral. In a group composed of prostitutes and johns it would be strange if anyone said that. But we all do business with people whose occupations we would not want to adopt or recommend. I want to be able to get a cab when I need one but I don't want to be a cab driver and I wouldn't recommend it. If a young person asked me to write a list of occupations I think are interesting and rewarding, I would not include 'cab driver.' I wouldn't include 'prostitute' either.

 

When I see people say that being a prostitute is exciting and alluring and has many advantages I wonder if they would be willing to tell any parents they know 'I hope your child grows up to be a prostitute.' I doubt it.

[Guest pickwick]

>Pick, I'm guessing that you've had some bad experiences with

>the escorts you've hired, other than Rod of course, who is

>the only truly intelligent man to ever become a hooker

>apparently.

 

You guessed wrong. I hire escorts because I want access to their bodies, not to get their opinions on what the Fed is likely to do next quarter. The fact that a lot of the escorts I have hired have not been terribly bright or motivated people has not been much of a problem for me. Why would it be?

 

 

>Yes, there are a lot of guys attracted to

>escorting because it doesn't take a lot of brains, or

>education, but like I said in the original thread, there are

>a lot of 'us' who are capable of doing something 'real' with

>our lives, but choose to escort.

 

Thanks for repeating that. Again.

 

>Question, what makes an occupational choice 'real'? Degrees?

>Prestige? Income? Portfolio?

>If that is the criteria that we are 'judging', does this

>then mean someone who chooses to work as a social

>worker,counselor, or care worker, is not in a 'real' job?

 

You ask a good question. To me, an occupation is "real" if those who engage in it agree to meet a common set of standards of performance even when that means making significant personal sacrifices in order to do so.

 

>Who has ever said it was intellectually challenging? We are

>after all a bunch of dumb whores...duh! Coming up with words

>like intellectual, is, frankly, beyond our vocabulary.

 

If you say so.

 

>Have you ever seen what an engineer does? YAWWWWWWWWWNNNNNN!

> No offence to any engineers out there, but c'mon,

>interesting?

 

Yes, Matt, I have seen what an engineer does. I've worked with quite a few of them. I have much admiration for those I've worked with, not least because their work requires talents I don't possess.

 

>Oh but it is important, of course we need engineers, but

>what about the plumber you hire when you sink backs up? Or

>the police officer that patrols your neighbourhood? Neither

>of these, very real jobs, requires a whole lot of education,

>does this make them any less important?

 

I don't recall saying that only people with a lot of degrees have real jobs. You don't recall my saying that either, do you?

 

I know and respect the police officers who patrol my neighborhood. Do you?

[Matt_Vancouver]

>You guessed wrong. I hire escorts because I want access to

>their bodies, not to get their opinions on what the Fed is

>likely to do next quarter. The fact that a lot of the

>escorts I have hired have not been terribly bright or

>motivated people has not been much of a problem for me. Why

>would it be?

 

I didn't say it was a problem for you, I was pointing out the possibility that your low opinion of all escorts, other than Rod of course, was possibly based on your personal choices in the escorts you've engaged.

There is nothing wrong with big dumb 'n stupid guys, whom you hire for the dangle. Enjoy them, love them, fuck them, use them,but don't assume every escort fits this stereotype, is incorrect.

 

>like I said in the original thread, there are

>>a lot of 'us' who are capable of doing something 'real' with

>>our lives, but choose to escort.

>

>Thanks for repeating that. Again.

 

 

Sometimes it takes repetition for new ideas to take hold.

 

 

>You ask a good question. To me, an occupation is "real" if

>those who engage in it agree to meet a common set of

>standards of performance even when that means making

>significant personal sacrifices in order to do so.

 

Many 'good' escorts, meet a common set of performance standards.

 

Personal sacrifices where do I start..... potential life threatening disease, meeting an understanding 'partner', who can accept your chosen occupation, the possibility of a criminal record, physical violence, stalkers.......

 

 

>Yes, Matt, I have seen what an engineer does. I've worked

>with quite a few of them. I have much admiration for those

>I've worked with, not least because their work requires

>talents I don't possess.

 

Can you imagine a different man everyday?

A wide variety of different types of men, some chubby, some hairy, some older, some with physical handicaps....Now make everyone of those men feel like they are desirable, regardless of your preferences. Ok now..... GET A HARD ON! and maintain it.

"not least because their work requires talents I don't possess."

Not many people can honestly say they could do it. Can you? (yup some use Viagra as an aid, but that won't make an escort capable of making someone feel desirable, interesting, or attractive)

If that isn't worthy of admiration, I don't know what is.

 

 

 

>I don't recall saying that only people with a lot of degrees

>have real jobs. You don't recall my saying that either, do

>you?

 

I'm not going to argue your choices of diction and phrasing, it was obviously implied.

 

 

>I know and respect the police officers who patrol my

>neighborhood. Do you?

 

Well of course, those uniforms, the boots, the short butch haircuts... oh wait that's that lesbian fedex driver again.

 

Matt(oy-vey)

[Donnie]

Matt wins

 

>Can you imagine a different man everyday?

>A wide variety of different types of men, some chubby, some

>hairy, some older, some with physical handicaps....Now make

>everyone of those men feel like they are desirable,

>regardless of your preferences. Ok now..... GET A HARD ON!

>and maintain it.

>...If that isn't worthy of admiration, I don't know what is.

 

Anyone who doesn't admire you guys for this reason alone is a fuckin moron. Great response.

[Guest dstud4hire]

Rod, what a phenomenally honest approach to a reply! Thank you! IT was great to read, and you brought up a lot of great points.

 

In talking to many other escorts, I've figured that a good percentage have other careers besides their escorting. I've often said if I were to leave my full time career, I could make a fortune doing this! But having another career forces me to do something that I know I wouldn't do otherwise, invest in 401K, have insurance, etc etc. I applaud you for having the courage and forethought and the business acumen to do the escorting full time and make it work for you.

 

Part of me still likes the idea of doing it full time, but I know I do not have the guts to do that. What you identify as a couple reasons why you possibly do this (i.e. like the attention which feeds your ego, and also sexual addiction etc etc) is applicable to many. I know it applies to me if I were to be totally honest about it. I love sex too much and want and need sex often, so all this feeds that perfectly. Furthermore, the attention that we as escorts get from our clients 100% feeds that ego and pumps us up....I love that attention, it feels great, so yes, it's something I want to continue.

 

So I thank you for sharing your thoughts on why you do it, and sharing in in such a way that shows a "I don't care'what-you-think' attitude" this is who I am approach. It was a good way for me to reflect as well on why I do what I do, how long I wish to do it, and what part of me it feeds, etc etc. And when it comes to relationships...I know it will take the courage mustered up to be honest about this side of my life with whomever I should seriously date. Ok enough of my pontificating.

 

Continued success mate!

Gabe in St. Louis

dstud4hire429689@aol.com

[Guest pickwick]

>I didn't say it was a problem for you, I was pointing out

>the possibility that your low opinion of all escorts, other

>than Rod of course, was possibly based on your personal

>choices in the escorts you've engaged.

 

That isn't what you said. You said you guess I have had some "bad experiences." I haven't. I can truthfully say there is nothing in my experience that corresponds to some of the horror stories I have read in the reviews on this site. I've been quite lucky compared to some.

 

>There is nothing wrong with big dumb 'n stupid guys, whom

>you hire for the dangle. Enjoy them, love them, fuck them,

>use them,but don't assume every escort fits this stereotype,

>is incorrect.

 

I've never said I believe every escort or even most escorts fit that stereotype. That is just something you made up because you find it harder to argue with what I actually said.

 

>>You ask a good question. To me, an occupation is "real" if

>>those who engage in it agree to meet a common set of

>>standards of performance even when that means making

>>significant personal sacrifices in order to do so.

>

>Many 'good' escorts, meet a common set of performance

>standards.

 

I was not aware that escorts have to agree to meet a specific set of standards in order to enter that occupation, and I don't think that is true. I don't know of any such set of standards. Where are they published?

 

>Can you imagine a different man everyday?

>A wide variety of different types of men, some chubby, some

>hairy, some older, some with physical handicaps....Now make

>everyone of those men feel like they are desirable,

>regardless of your preferences. Ok now..... GET A HARD ON!

>and maintain it.

>"not least because their work requires talents I don't

>possess."

>Not many people can honestly say they could do it. Can you?

>(yup some use Viagra as an aid, but that won't make an

>escort capable of making someone feel desirable,

>interesting, or attractive)

>If that isn't worthy of admiration, I don't know what is.

 

I find the idea of having sex with strangers to whom one is not at all attracted pretty disgusting, actually, and there is no way I could do it. I couldn't spend the whole day putting my hands in someone else's mouth either, so I guess dentistry is out as a career choice too.

 

And I know of many things that I find more admirable than selling one's dick. Running into a burning building to save people who will die without your help, for one. Providing free legal assistance to some poor sap who has been ensared by a system he doesn't understand and whose life will otherwise be destroyed, for another. Giving up a comfortable medical practice to go live in a tent and treat people in a war zone for no money, for a third. I know people who've done those things and I admire them.

 

>>I don't recall saying that only people with a lot of degrees

>>have real jobs. You don't recall my saying that either, do

>>you?

>

>I'm not going to argue your choices of diction and phrasing,

>it was obviously implied.

 

No, Matt, that is just something else you made up because it's easier to criticize me for saying that than for what I actually said. You do that a lot.

 

>>I know and respect the police officers who patrol my

>>neighborhood. Do you?

>

>Well of course, those uniforms, the boots, the short butch

>haircuts... oh wait that's that lesbian fedex driver again.

 

You're the one who brought it up, not me. Did you ever take the trouble to meet the police officers who patrol your neighborhood?

[Guest Sports]

Well-and pay close attention

>because this is where you bitter and obviously self-loathing

>men, Blink, Sports, Jackboy, Donnie, et al, who will most

>certainly die alone (though not soon enough for me) can

>insert something REALLY clever-Well, I never claimed I

>would do this forever.

 

Hagen you are really an aweful person. You need to sit down and read some of the things you post here. I wish you would get a new career and move on. I wish you a good life, something you are not having now as a prostitute. Maybe you could be a laundress; your'e good at washing out sheets.

 

 

Hagen’s Silent Scream Post

Re: Have you ever felt the pangs of the exploitation?

ROD HAGEN

Our profession is nothing less than a voluntary threat to our personal integrity and feelings of self-worth.

Why? Because sometimes so much feces spills onto our legs and sheets we become convinced both are stained permanently. From time to time we feel pressured to do things unsafe and unhealthy, othertimes we use the experience to try something reckless that we never would have attempted had he not given us the opportunity, and even go so far as to endanger our own well being. Sometimes the stench of a man's not-oft-washed thigh hair combined with the slippery coat of mucus over his tongue convince us that the I-Have-Had-It scream we bury within (some deeper than others) will finally surface.

But it doesn't. We wash our legs (and our sheets). We breathe through our mouths instead of our noses and eventually ask him to rinse with scope. We privately berate ourselfs for taking another stupid risk. We cope, we internalize anger, we disassociate ourselfs from our bodies - to the extent we are able and somehow we never, ever, scream.

Are we exploited? F**k yeah. Do most of the men believe they contribute to this exploitation? As the text above indicates, probably not. Is this our own fault for becoming prostitutes in the first place? Probably. But the next time youv'e "ordered in" look (deeply) for that silent scream, and then talk to me about accountability. I'll be in the laundry, washing out the shit.

[Donnie]

>I find the idea of having sex with strangers to whom one is

>not at all attracted pretty disgusting, actually

 

And yet you hire escorts?? I'm sure the poor souls you hire feel the same way. Or do you foolishly believe all the whores you hire are attracted to you?! What a maroon. You crack me up.

 

By the way, what is your wonderful "career" besides being a shut-in who lives for this website and despises yet hires escorts? Your self-hate is obvious to anyone who reads this site and whatever smarmy cunty response you have to this post will only further that impression, as it always does. You've even got Tampa Yankee seeing what a mess you are, and he loves everyone.

[Rod Hagen]

> Well-and pay close attention

>>because this is where you bitter and obviously self-loathing

>>men, Blink, Sports, Jackboy, Donnie, et al, who will most

>. Maybe you could be a laundress; your'e good at washing out >sheets.

 

That post has been resurrected more times than Lazarus or Adrienne Barbo. My professional advise to you Sports is to get on with your life and stop obsessing about what I, or anybody else here, have said.

[Rod Hagen]

>Or do you foolishly believe all the

>whores you hire are attracted to you?!

 

Why should he care? He's hired them, not the other way around. Their troubles are their poblem not his.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

> You've even got Tampa Yankee seeing what a mess you

>are, and he loves everyone.

 

LOL..... I don't think you gonna make this sale to Pick.

 

:-)

[Guest pickwick]

>And yet you hire escorts?? I'm sure the poor souls you hire

>feel the same way. Or do you foolishly believe all the

>whores you hire are attracted to you?! What a maroon. You

>crack me up.

 

I'm sorry to hear that, since you seem to have had too much crack as it is. As Rod sensibly points out, why would I care whether they are attracted to me or not?

 

>By the way, what is your wonderful "career" besides

>being a shut-in who lives for this website and despises yet

>hires escorts? Your self-hate is obvious to anyone who

>reads this site and whatever smarmy cunty response you have

>to this post will only further that impression, as it always

>does. You've even got Tampa Yankee seeing what a mess you

>are, and he loves everyone.

 

Everyone except you, apparently. Donnie, I would tell you to eat shit and die, but that would be superfluous. Your comments on the "Rimming" thread make it clear that this process is already well under way. Good for you. And for the rest of us.

[+ Axiom2001]

Tampa mentioned to one of the escorts that retiring at $2000 per month is good, unless I misconstrued his response. Well, man, I'm sorry. Let's say at least $5000 per month or more, but five thousand being the base. That's the way I'd and will have to live!:-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

>Tampa mentioned to one of the escorts that retiring at $2000

>per month is good, unless I misconstrued his response. Well,

>man, I'm sorry. Let's say at least $5000 per month or more,

>but five thousand being the base. That's the way I'd and

>will have to live!:-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

 

I don't know where you got that impression. Please enlighten me so that I can clairfy the confusion.

[Guest Shamus]

Hagen:

 

I couldn't have said this better myself.

In fact, I didn't. I tried to, but it came out all mushy and wrong. What you have said is absolutely right-on.

 

Dude, you rule.

 

Shamus

[Guest albinorat]

I've just read this thread and may have missed a point or two. Who in the name of God is this Pickwick?

 

I lived in NYC for 30 years and live very close still. Everytime I see the Policemen and Firemen hailed I want to hurl. Sure there are good and brave ones. But most of them of are assholes of the highest order, very stupid and have their jobs from inside influence. Efforts to make hiring practices fairer and to toughen accountability have been sporadic with uneven results overall. Racism, corruption, malingering and homophobia are just the tip of the iceberg and at the end of 20 years you get a great pension if you've been smart enough to rig enough overtime and been reasonably alert about bribes.

 

I'd take many of the escorts/hustlers I've known over most of the cops and firemen I've met -- and some of the hustlers I've known WERE cops! A few hot, a few not so hot. But since I'm into b&d they were mostly great at that (especially at GETTING tied up!). Policework dangerous? Sure! And the Big Bunny Rabbit in the sky's coming over to give you a blow job tonight -- don't worry the buck teeth are a prothesis, he'll take them out and gum you. More farmers are killed in the line of work than all policemen and firemen put together. Probably escorting is more dangerous work on a more frequent basis.

 

Jeez, the idea that many professions require smarts is just moronic. I've met idiot MDs, drug addicted, shakey handed surgeons who NOBODY could fire, accountants who couldn't count or deal effectively with tax law and were liars who cost their clients TONS of money and real trouble with the IRS.

 

I went to three Ivy League Schools (count 'em) and I taught at all but 2 and MOST of the entrenched professors I met were fools, corrupt, lazy minded, bigoted and a fair number were stupid too. Only a dummy who's never met a PHD thinks it takes brains to get one.

 

Talk about dentists! (They have the highest suicide rate in this country). Ever had a root canal go bad? Ever have a Klutz try to give you a crown (and I don't mean a tiara), fuck up and charge you a fortune anyway? I HAVE! Most of the street hustlers I had were better at what they did, cheaper and MORE HONEST.

 

And then frauds, I mean psychiatrists ... but why go on?

 

Am I saying ALL hustlers (I like that term but then I look like Jabba the Hut) are wonderful? Of course not. But let me tell you some stories about the editors I've written for, or the nurses who tended my good buddy in the hospital last month. In 25 years of hiring, MOST of those I met were nice, tried hard, were honest, looked good, and at least 50% did more for me than any therapist has and cost infinitely less.

 

Sure there are some jerks who post here who read as though they were full of themselves (I don't mean me, I mean some of the escorts) but there are more johns like that.

 

I'm not glamorizing prostitution, which certainly has its downside, but so does screen and TV writing (I've done both), and a life in the arts (yup, know that first hand too). All I'm going to say is I wish I had never met ALL the agents I've had, all but one dentist, all but one MD, all but three or four editors, ALL the deans, all but one shrink but I thank the Goddess of psychosexuality for MOST of the escorts I've known!

 

So there, Pickwick and (pick another name poor Dickens doesn't deserve you)!

 

Al

[Guest pickwick]

>I've just read this thread and may have missed a point or

>two. Who in the name of God is this Pickwick?

 

Just another client. I've been hiring escorts for longer than many of the escorts who post here have been escorts. That includes Rod, Matt, Rick . . . actually it includes all three of them put together and probably a couple of others as well. And that's why I don't need a lecture from any of them or from you on what escorts are like. I have never claimed to know about the intelligence or education of "all" escorts, "most" escorts or even a plurality of escorts, just the ones I've actually dealt with. Like everyone else here, I can only comment on the basis of my experience. And my experience is just as valid as yours. So take your superior attitude and shove it up your giant-sized posterior. If you can manage it.

 

>I lived in NYC for 30 years and live very close still.

>Everytime I see the Policemen and Firemen hailed I want to

>hurl. Sure there are good and brave ones. But most of them

>of are assholes of the highest order, very stupid

 

Unlike you, I can't claim to have met "most" policemen and firefighters. I can't imagine what sort of work or hobby you have that has allowed you to meet and get to know "most" of them. With respect to the NYPD alone we're talking about a total of more than 30,000 people, right? I doubt that even the head of the PBA in New York could claim to know what "most" of them are like. The breadth of your knowledge simply amazes me.

 

If hearing good things about policemen and firefighters makes you want to hurl, go ahead. If you become ill in public, though, you shouldn't expect any city employees to come to your aid. You really don't deserve it.

[Donnie]

>I've been hiring escorts for longer

>than many of the escorts who post here have been escorts.

 

The whole business has changed since the dark ages when you started hiring. The business has evolved since escorts started advertising on the internet. They are no longer street urchins trying to get enough cash to survive; many are college educated businessmen.

 

You need to fucking die immediately.

[Guest Sports]

>That post has been resurrected more times than Lazarus or

>Adrienne Barbo. My professional advise to you Sports is to

>get on with your life and stop obsessing about what I, or

>anybody else here, have said.

 

Hagen, your silent scream post is you, that's why it is resurrected so often...it's what you are all about and it's in your own words. What better evidence....you should read again. Maybe you could, in the new year, come up with a updated version of your "silent scream."

 

As far as your professional advice, professionally you are a prostitute and you cannot speak professionally on the topic of obsession. My advice to you is to try to get more work and stop spending your time here addressing problems that you know nothing about(talk about obsession). You're not a therapist and you're not an attorney and you should not be giving out legal advice as you have in other postings. Professionally you are a prostitute, there's nothing wrong with that, just don't represent yourself as anything else.

In the new year I won't be critical of you if you try to tone down your postings. Get out more, have fun and stop spending your non-escort hours on this and the many other sites you haunt. Now shut up and start answering (ring-ring) your "escort phone."

 

Shamus, I love you; you were the best in the city.