OK escorts, give me your honest opinion

[workoutfiend]

I am going to Florida next month and though I'd hook up with an escort while I am there. I chose MikeFTL42 (found him on men4rentnow.com ). I liked what he said on the ad, has a nice body and he's over 40 as I am, and he had good reviews. I tried contacting him by e-mail and he responded several days later. Finally, I connected with him by phone (not easy as he said he was out of town as the reason I douldn't contact him even though messages were left). I like to speak with the guy beforehand to see if he's someone I'd like to spend time with (especially when you are spending a lot of money). One of the most important things to me is to try to get some sense if he always plays safe. So after we said hello I said that I had a couple of questions to ask. One was, is he disease free. He said yes. I then asked if he plays safe. He said he prefers it that way. Since he didn't say he always plays safe I asked another question -- when the last time he was tested. He said it was "none of my business" and then promptly hung up on me. Then he sent me the following e-mail:

 

"I just wanted to tell you what a naive and ridiculous person you are and how stupid your questions were. Firstly, you should never take anyone's word for gold regarding status and should always play safe, assuming everyone around you is positive. That is all you ever need to know. If you are going to play around on your wife, then I suggest you revamp your way of doing it. You have NO way to verify that someone is telling you the truth. So tell me, if I told you I was totally negative and always played safe, would you have unsafe sex with me? You have to realize what a stupid thought process it is that you have.

 

Get a clue, bud."

 

To which I responded:

 

"you certainly are entitled to your views on life, etc. i thank you for your candidness. this whole issue aside, i think we can agree that i would not have had a very good time with you. up until now i have made only a few choices and they worked out great (on both parts). i would not have asked you that question had you responded to my question about playing safe and said "always." instead you said, i "prefer it that way." if someone is going to pay you money for your services i would think that you would answer relevant questions (or explain why the question may not be fair or relevant). i know that as long as you play safe status does not matter. but it does to me and i choose not to play unless i have a really good idea that a person is disease free. that said, of course you are correct that there is never any guarantee. that is why i look at reviews (you have none that i know of) and try to converse with the person first. the more positive reviews a guy has the more the comfort level is raised. this was a valuable experience for which you deserve thanks. i wish i could have explored this further with you instead of you hanging up on me. best of luck to you."

 

OK, what do you guys think? also, i am a good-looking nice middle-aged married guy in great shape (5'10 in. 31.5, 180) if anybody has any recommendations.

[Bilbo]

I think that he should have honestly answered your questions, yes. But he is also correct that you should also always assume that everyone is infected and never do anything that would put yourself in danger. We are all responsible for our own safety, in the long run. However, "always...never", well, things will happen occaisionally. But they should be avoided just as much as humanly possible.

[jawjateck]

I met Mike about a year ago when he was in Atlanta. I submitted a review, but I see that it has disappeared since we met. I had a fun two hours with him. Super muscular, great kisser, and a hot fuck, top and bottom. When it came to the anal play, he offered to let me choose, condom or not. I said what I always say, "wrap it up."

 

If I know in advance that an escort prefers to take unnecessary health risks, I decline to meet him, but I always assume that my escort is infected, and play accordingly. I take the usual precautions, but even with that, the risk is mine, because I freely chose to sex it up with another man.

 

By the way when you asked if he plays safe and he responded something to the effect "I usually prefer it that way," I think you had all the information you needed to know to make a hiring decision. Obviously, the two of you would not be a match, and to go any further with phone contact or email is pointless.

 

Happy hunting!

 

P.S. May I recommend Michael in Fort Myers. He is reviewed here by me and others, and is willing to travel across south FL to meet a client. He drove over from his home to Ft Lauderdale to meet me. He is my all time best bottom, an incredible kisser, playful and passionate. I have been with him twice (both overnights), and loved every moment with him.

[Juan Vancouver]

Hey stud!

 

I am glad that you found out that you guys were not going to have a good time -before- you met. It would have been a drag to have your holidays wrecked for lack of compatibility.

 

As for safe sex, I agree with him in the fact that all you can do is play safe ALL the time, and with that you are going to be perfectly okay. However, as an escort, I understand it when someone wants to know about my status and whether I play safe or not. I see it as a part of my service to stay healthy, clean and checked up regularly so I can answer honestly to those questions.

 

If you want a recommendation of a "mature" escort with whom to travel, I would wholeheartedly recommend my duo partner Kevin.

 

http://www.rentboy.com/kevinvancouver

 

He is a 34 years old gorgeous blond/blue hunk, toothbrush ad smile, big pecs, perfectly beautiful body, a respectable 8 by 6 cut cock, healthy, safe and with the most fun and warm personality ever. I assure you you would have a blast with him. (And fuck, he looks gorgeous when tanned!)

 

Whenever I hear about disagreements between escorts and clients, I like to focus on the good side of it: You were spared a possibly unfilfilling trip, so congratulations on your good luck finding out before hand, and good luck in the process of choosing a replacement.

 

And.... sorry but I have to ask.... if you have this amazing tool available, why would you want to travel with an un-reviewed escort? For a one hour session I understand taking a risk for someone really hot... but a trip?

 

I wish the best to you, and hope that your holiday will be a total hot success.

 

Receive a tight hug!

[+ deej]

My opinion is going to go a little against the grain and will likely be unpopular.

 

I agree that the escort was unpleasant and tactless in delivering his message, but I also think he's right about the message he delivered.

 

If you're looking for recent test results as a permission slip to have unsafe sex, and that's really the only reason to ask, you are woefully naive.

 

Test results mean nothing with most people. He may have seroconverted 10 minutes after having blood drawn. He may have been infected by that afternoon's trick.

 

Having a recent test tells you damn well nothing. He's right that you should proceed with all sex partners assuming they are positive and protect yourself accordingly.

 

He's tactless but if you GET IT he's done you a huge favor.

[workoutfiend]

thanks guys for your posts. i agree with all of you. as you probably have already surmised, i am not that experienced. but i am that much wiser after this experience. i actually think the tactless way in which mike handled this was to my benefit. it was like being hit with a hammer over the head and you guys helped to hammer the message home. if he hadn't been so rude and instead we discussed the issue perhaps i would have decided to meet him anyway. we can all agree that it probably would have resulted in an unpleasant experience.

 

juan--i don't travel much but would have taken up your recommendation if i did. if i am ever in vancouver i will look both of you up!

 

jawjateck--i will be on the east coast and my situation will not be conducive to beckon michael. i am looking for an incall. thanks for the recomendation, though.

[Rick Munroe]

>Then he sent me the following e-mail:

>

>OK, what do you guys think?

 

Well, I think you had every right to ask the question, I think that the answer you say you received rang true but was delivered in an unnecessarily rude manner, but...I also think it's poor message board etiquette to post someone's private emails. No offense to you, and I am certainly not accusing you of making stuff up, but how are we to know that that was exactly what Mike (whom I have never heard of, btw) had to say and that that was truly your reply? Anyone can copy-and-paste and make whatever changes they want. It's very easy for any of us to put words in somebody else's mouth, and once it's in print, most people believe it as fact. This is just my personal policy, but I would always ask somebody's permission before reprinting their emails.

 

Also, in the first paragraph of your original post, you stated that Mike "had good reviews," but in your email to him, you wrote, "that is why i look at reviews (you have none that i know of)." Which is it: he had good reviews, or he didn't have any? :o

[Rick Munroe]

>If you want a recommendation of a "mature" escort with whom to

>travel, I would wholeheartedly recommend my duo partner

>Kevin.

 

I don't think he's looking for a traveling companion; I believe he wants a local escort for when he visits Florida. So, tell Kevin to unpack the toothbrush.

[workoutfiend]

rick you are absolutely right, there is not guarantee that what i posted was, in fact, his e-mail. all you have is my word that it is exactly what was exchanged between us. i have never posted before and just thought it would be a good way to get some input on this. he probably would not have given me permission to post the e-mail and maybe i should not have identified him. as for my apparently inconsistent statements regarding reviews or lack of reviews on this guy i see your point. what i meant was there were no reviews here on daddysreviews where encounters are fairly well detailed. as you know, on m4mrentnow.com where i saw his ad it merely gives an overall rating with no prose or support to go along with it.

[workoutfiend]

sorry -- i meant i saw him first on men4rentnow.com

[Louis]

I think it was fortunate that you did not meet the escort.

[workoutfiend]

yeah louis, i agree! i don't have all that much experience with escorts (4 guys and many m4m massages) and i can honestly say that i have chosen very wisely. attitude-wise, i only had one bad experience with a masseur, not an escort. as i have said before i have learned a lot from this incident. i have learned to be responsible for myself. the importance of communicating with an escort as i did in this cases is also very important -- both e-mail and by telephone. the more communnication before you meet the guy the better!

[Rick Munroe]

>rick you are absolutely right, there is not guarantee that

>what i posted was, in fact, his e-mail. all you have is my

>word that it is exactly what was exchanged between us.

 

Well, I didn't actually doubt your veracity; I just thought it wasn't nice to post someone's private emails to the world, that's all.

 

>what i meant was there were no reviews here on

>daddysreviews where encounters are fairly well detailed. as

>you know, on m4mrentnow.com where i saw his ad it merely gives

>an overall rating with no prose or support to go along with

>it.

 

Oh, yeah; I forgot that men4rentnow (sort of) has reviews, too. Well, you performed very well under my cross-examination and I think you will do well as a poster here. Welcome.

[workoutfiend]

>Oh, yeah; I forgot that men4rentnow (sort of) has reviews,

>too. Well, you performed very well under my cross-examination

>and I think you will do well as a poster here. Welcome.

 

thanks, rick. glad i passed your test - lol. i have learned a lot. physically, you're kind of similar to mikeftl42. hmmm......

[Rick Munroe]

>physically, you're kind of similar to mikeftl42.

>hmmm......

 

He looks fucking hot (that's quite an ass), so thanks for the compliment. Now...are you going to switch from Florida to NYC?

[Guest Merlin]

You are also correct in trying to make an assesment of his status. Yes, always assume the other guy is positive, and absolutely use "safer sex". But accidents happen and sex is never absolutely safe. So it is logical to attempt to reduce the risk from accidents. Obviously is someone tells you he is positive you know you have a higher risk than someone negative. If you know he sometimes barebacks, or advertises "no limits" or "anything goes" or words to that effect, he probably is positive. Escorts who advertise as bottoms are more risky than those who say they always top. Again, it is merely a matter of reducing risk. You must always use safer sex.

[Steven_Draker]

> ... I understand it when someone wants to know about my status and whether I play safe

> or not. I see it as a part of my service to stay healthy, clean and checked up regularly ...

 

I see it a little bit differently. I want to stay healthy and clean for myself at the first place (regardless of my services).

 

Cheers, Steven ~

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[Steven_Draker]

> If you know he sometimes barebacks, or advertises "no limits" or "anything goes" or words to that effect ...

 

Merlin makes a good point here. Another key word is "uninhibited".

 

Unfortunately, some people lie about their practices. They "advertise" as safe, even on this very Board, in spite of the fact that they bareback. Don't get me wrong: I'm not trying to make a judgement call here. Everyone is free to do whatever he thinks is right in his private life, but I think is wrong to lie about one's "safe practices" with clients here. It's even worse than subtracting years to one's real age or adding inches to one's cock size.

 

So much for Message Board honesty!

 

With best regards,

Steven Draker ~

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