so was I out of line?

[2hard2tame]

My 2 cents?

Sure, why not

 

For me, the minute someone even comes across as what I call a "bargainer" I politely suggest that maybe I am not the right person.

As for a comment made earlier...

yes, we are selling our time. We are the service providers, but we reserve the right to decline.

I really dont think there is a requirement for us to accept situations that we are not comfortable with. As far as pointing fingers as to who is worse, my answer is neither. The client or the SP. Both parties provide an integral part of the relationship. Without one, you cant have the others. Quite the symbiotic example.

 

I know I will probably get some frowns for posting this, but i have never been one to not speak my mind regardless of the forthcoming potential negative consequences.

 

In ending, both parties reserve the right to not complete the "transactions" and go their ways.

 

Ok, I have food to go pickup.

 

 

[+ Gar1eth]

>Below is an email dialog from a recent conversation with an

>escort. Please read and critique my responses and let me know

>where I could have communicated better. As far as the rate in

>the area, it tends to be 200-250. Thanks for your feedback.

>

>

> your rate does seem to be a little high for the area (I'm

>not trying to bargain - that's just not my style). I was

>trying to find a little more info of others experience on some

>of the review sites. I noticed you have responded to some of

>the threads on what is now daddysreviews. But you never

>answered one of the outstanding questions about you (reference

>link below).

>

 

**********************************************************************

 

As a client with a small amount of experience, in my view you did nothing wrong. You explained to "the person of interest" what the "customary and usual charges" for the region you were in. He was then free to either accept or reject--or supply an explanation as to why he charged as he did--although he did this to a certain point.

 

I have occasionally had the same discussion about differences in prices. A few times I have just started giggling from sticker shock(figuratively not literally)--as the prices quoted were so far out of what I could afford or in other cases willing to afford.

 

Some guys have been willing to work with me---and some haven't.

 

In some cases I have come up with the extra, in others they have thought my request reasonable, and in some we have come to a "happy" medium.

 

So occasionally this means that I have not been able to arrange a meeting with someone--but I probably wouldn't have enjoyed myself as much in those cases anyway.

 

 

From my perspective there seem to be a few warning signs on this guy (I may even have corresponded with him in the past. His reply seems familiar, but I can't bring it to mind currently)--if I read your 1st your posting correctly--

 

#1 The guy did not have a face picture--faces are important to me--I have been disappointed several times in the past by guys who don't post face pictures-- the only time I think I was satisfied without a face picture was with Steven Draker--and the only reason I was willing was because he had so many reviews and was recommended by an e-mail buddy.

 

#2 The guy was very evasive in answering your questions on what he was willing to do

 

#3 The reply about fees was dripping with attitude. You politely informed him of the --again--usual and customary fees for the region you are in--and he could have said something like "I understand but I don't change my fees when I travel" but he didn't.

 

I don't look to hire guys with attitude--I'm not into domination or master/slave scenes. I want to be with a friendly guy who in general I wouldn't mind hanging around with outside the bedroom as well.

 

 

So while I know others feel differently, I feel you did yourself and your checking/savings account a big favor by not meeting up with this guy.

 

 

PS In reference to a an earlier Posting by PWIT--I don't know what the big fuss about handling fees is--while I admit it may be a little awkward maybe on a 1st time meeting --I usually just hand it to the guy--very low key after the meeting.

 

If it is a 1st time, I usually show it to the guy beforehand. For an overnight I have given it either before or after--it depends on whether the guy looks apprehensive and thinks I am trying to welch on him or not. (For the record, I never have).

 

If it is for a weekend then I usually give it during the 1st couple of hours of the meeting--that way the guys are responsible for it for the duration, and I don't have to keep track of it. (I always find it slightly ironic that if I meet someone for a weekend--and then pay them immediately--they then have more money with them for the trip than I do.).

 

If it is a lot of money, or if I have had to use small denominations, then I give it to him in either a bank moneyholder or an envelope.

 

 

Thanks,

 

Gareth

[D.A.C.]

...

>yes, we are selling our time. We are the service providers,

 

LMAO ,good christ fella,you're a prostitute...selling your ass and assorted body parts to the highest bidder...if you're too ashamed too admit that..maybe you should find another way to feed yourself.

[+ Gar1eth]

bump

[JT Brooklyn]

D.A.C. Well nothing really wrong with the Title "Service Provider"..

 

BUT Personally I like to Call The Good Guy's.."SEX THERAPIST'S"...

 

Unfortunately there are not alot of Guy's around WORTH that Title Recently...

 

There are a few around here, IF they 'Performed' as well as they Talked and other's "Talked Them Up"...they might have lived up to their Self Inflated EGO'S...

 

BUT they alas' have been around to long and that ain't ever gonna happen. LOL :P

[+ Tygerscent]

Hmmmm... there seems to be the question really of "rate too high for area" but consider that the Escort also lives in an area and that asking for less may not provide him with any potential to pay his bills at HIS area's rates. If the guy is highly rated as an Escort and also has a public image in front of the camera as a porn Star or model it hurts him to take less... It hurts his peers and gives him a bad rep! The studios and photographers will note his compliance and pay him less as well. His peers will also be pissed that he is receiving less when their Clients, studios, agents, ask more and then THEY have to compromise because some guy takes less. I get a lot of flack here since I seperate my modeling porn fees from my Escorting fees. It is a reality though and takes a lot fo delicate thought, time and personal effort to communicate the "this is why I do things this way" idea. and it's not answering to one person but perhaps two hundred over the course of one week...

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[Guest PWIT]

but you also come with a string of reviews Tyger...so someone would be able to determine if the experience would likely warrent the rate. But what if someone was asking for top rate with only one short review with little real info from the reviewer? How would you approach that with the escort? Not try and reduce the rate, but ensure the to get some reassurance the experience would warrent the top rate?

[Luv2play]

I have only once turned down an opportunity to meet with an escort because of his rates. When I asked what his rates were (he had posted on this site that he was visiting my city but had a "rate varies" note on his website). When he told me $500 an hour, I just said "Oh good luck and I hope you enjoy your visit".

 

Usually I know what the escort charges and if in doubt, I ask. Sometimes I am pleasantly surprised. I hired from Rentboy the other night and despite the posted rates, when I asked what the rate would be after explaining my requirements and desires, I got a better offer. This was all done over the phone and perhaps that was a better medium than e-mail for determining a deal, since live interaction is usually better than an exchange of e-mails. The outcome was even better, since this guy was very charming and definitely not a clock watcher. I will hire him again.

 

From your exchange of e-mails, I got the impression the escort had a bit of attitude. It would have put me off. But I don't think you should have drawn attention to what other escorts in the area charge. It did suggest you were about to haggle. Since you were travelling to him, he should have offered you a better rate than an outcall, but that is his call.

[+ Tygerscent]

I guess I might approach him from behind with big hard on...opps was that my inner voice speaking? Seriously though, I guess I might like to call him and talk and see hwhat kind of experience he has and ask for current pix. Something like that. I would not necessarily write him off over the rate without trying to get a better feel for the situation or maybe aswk on the board if anyone else has hired this guy and what their experience with him was. Discretely of course and not necessarily out in front of everyone on the board. Just a thought.

Tyger!

http://www.tygerscent.biz

503.317.8055

http://www.daddysreviews.com/area.php?loc=63150&who=tyger_portland

[Guest PWIT]

>I guess I might approach him from behind with big hard

>on...opps was that my inner voice speaking? Seriously though,

>I guess I might like to call him and talk and see hwhat kind

>of experience he has and ask for current pix. Something like

>that.

 

Yes, I probably should have just picked up the phone. And I guess I will keep my back against the wall if we ever get to meet. ;-)

[Guest Havan_IronOak]

Negotiating rates

 

I've also encountered escorts with the "rate varies" note on their website ads.

 

I've generally just asked and if the rate seemed too steep I've just wished them good luck and good bye. I am NOT trying to suggest that they may not be worth it, they are simply outside my budget.

 

I did have one guy that asked me what I'd been expecting to pay and he initially laughed when I told him "somewhere in the neighborhood of $150. (BTW 150 is the standard price with the local agency) He said that he normally charges at least twice that but since he wasn't doing anything that night (and what I wanted was pretty vanilla) he meet me for my price.

 

Turns out he was nice guy and we had a decent enough time but he was NOT the hottest guy I've ever met and he wasn't as hot as some of the other locals that I'd seen.

 

BTW he's one of the few that called me back repeatedly after the initial event asking if I was in the market for a repeat. He also said that his "one time" price break would still be in effect if we met again. I couldn't meet him the first time he called because of other plans and actually got a bit worried when he called again a few nights later.

[JT Brooklyn]

RE: Negotiating rates

 

Havan..Either the Guy does "Push your Buttons" or he doesn't, is Probably #1...IF you can get more of a Kick from the Agency Guy's, Why Bother?????

 

BUT that being said.. at $150 an Hr... which is almost what most "Body Worker's" with a J/O ONLY... are Close to charging nowadays at least in Major Markets, A Repeat may not be A Bad thing ?

 

As far as him Contacting you, Which Most Working Guy's DONOT DO, IF this Freaks you out, tell him so.. Plain and Simple!

 

I'm sure MOST of the Working Guy's around here will Agree? :P

[SAdler]

Muffin ...

 

in a meeting of the "People Bored with Cell Phones and Too Much Time to Surf the Boards," Ms. Monroe and I have decided to refer the group to a past thread before this one gains the same amount of posts

 

http://m4m.m4m-forum.org/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=7&topic_id=53206&mesg_id=53206&listing_type=search

[Louis]

RE: Negotiating rates

 

I had an escort that would send me emails, when he was running low on cash. Got emails from him fairly regularly the last few months I lived in Waterloo. He was a student, but only a top, and I was really more intrested in someone who was versatile. Very cut kid though. I did help him out the day after we first met, and took pictures of him that he still uses for his adds.

I did not find his email intimidating, business was just slow for him, and I live only a few blocks away from where he was staying.

Louis

[JT Brooklyn]

RE: Negotiating rates

 

Louis. True.. I do also get emails from a Guy, who is "not shy" about looking for Biz Once a Month.

 

But I and He are Friendly and a "Can't Make It" reply is sent. And we do still keep in touch, and he still keeps Fishing!

 

It's gotten to be a "ritual" at this point in time! By Now he probably would be Shocked.. IF I said Yes...LOL :P

[+ Tygerscent]

Should WE ever meet I prefer to see your front up against the wall but I'm willing to negotiate... not financially... but certainly like a good ass licking and happy on both sides of the negotiating table! (Wink)

[+ Tygerscent]

opps! .... personal info now...

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