What is wrong with verification?

rickyricardo · April 2, 2006

LOL.. wow Sam your really upset.. Let me tell you.. If I cant verify the client for security and make sure that I not wasting my time. If they refuse, calling on blocked numbers, not giving you a phone number to book appointment.. SKIP EM.. they are already being diffulcult so it tell you that the session would be the same way. I never call the client, unless I have to, this is respect for privacy and discreation. All calls are from them to me. But really if they dont want to give you any information, they are wasting your time anyways.. It far too many serious clients out here than to fool around with someone that being diffulcult.

indyeric · April 2, 2006

How agency verification works (at least in come cases)

I used an agency in Seattle once, and here's how they did verification.

I was in a hotel. They needed my real name and verified I was registered in the hotel by calling the hotel switchboard and asking for me by name. When the escort arrived, he called the agency and I think the agency may have called back through the switchboard to the room to confirm everything was OK. At the end of the hour session the agency manager called again, which both the escort owner and I thought was a bit much.

I knew there was some risk regarding long-term confidentiality doing this, but I was OK with it. And the escort was great and there was never any problem. It was a calculated risk I was willing to take. I used a now-defunct agancy in Indy once, and they too, as I recall, called the desk to check I was registered under the name I gave them.

Now there have been agencies busted and the clent list and details became an issue. Luckily, there are usually enough powerful people on the list that they make sure it is not divulged.

With an individual escort, more complete confidentiality is possible. With individual escorts, I've been able to arrange in-calls using only a cell phone, and also visits to my hotel. There's much more confidentiality that way. While I don't use a prepaid cell phone, one could. And just telling an escort to come to a certain room doesn't enable him to (easily) get your real name--motels and hotels won't tell you if you ask, "who is such and such a room?"

So I suppose working through an agency provides much more security for the escort. Hiring through an agency which does the sort of verification I described would make complete confidentiality impossible. But with a well-established agency, there's be less liklihood of the information being compromised.

--Eric

Juan Vancouver · April 3, 2006

My own safety system

Hey Sam,

Apparently you have touched many delicate subjects in this thread. The situation has turned even a bit more grave since you haven't explained what exactly you mean by verification. But I think that I know what you mean.

Let me speak for myself.

I never meet a client if I don't have a land line number and an adress or a hotel room number with a name attached to it.

I never had, and I will never do.

When I get to the meeting place, if the adress and room number coincide and I am in and everything is okay, I call my security person and let him know that I am safe and that I will stay for such amount of time in the session.

The minute I walk out the door after the session I destroy all the remnants of information that I have of my client, (and so does my security person) unless I have been asked to do otherwise.

I will never meet anyone at "a little quaint cafe near my hotel", will be picked up by a "Black convertible mustang", meet them at "the sling room in the bath house" or shit like that.

If a client justifiably or not feels that he can't trust me with those simple details to ensure my safety, then I kindly decline meeting him, and I hope that he will find another escort who has less concern about safety.

I am sure that I have missed the chance to meet a few nice guys, but my peace of mind, my family's peace of mind knowing where I am and with whom is priceless. I wouldn't jeopardize that in order to make a few bucks.

The golden rule in this profession to be successful and stay healthy is never to go out of your comfort zone. Just do what you are comfortable doing. If this will limit your options, so be it. In the long run it will keep you sane and confident.

There will always be a good escort for the super-secret-agent kind of client, there will be a good client for the I-want-to-be-safe kind of escort.

It's all about choices.

Epigonos · April 3, 2006

RE: My own safety system

I must say, as others have already, that the problem for me is exactly what does verification mean. Now if the escort I'm about to engage wants a faxed copy of my drivers lisence, my social security card, my passport,and my last Federal Income Tax Form THAT is not going to happen. Now if the escort I'm about to engage wants my name, the name of the hotel in which I'm staying and my room number WHAT is the big deal? If I am so completely terrified of having the facts that I'm gay and hire escorts being made public that I am unable to provide the escort with these last three pieces of information I probably shouldn't be hiring escorts in the first place. A couple of years ago in another thread I stated that I believed that if I couldn't stand what I'm doing in private made public I damn well shouldn't be doing it. I still believe that today.

+ *deej* · April 3, 2006

RE: My own safety system

>Now if the escort I'm

>about to engage wants my name, the name of the hotel in which

>I'm staying and my room number WHAT is the big deal? If I am

>so completely terrified of having the facts that I'm gay and

>hire escorts being made public that I am unable to provide the

>escort with these last three pieces of information I probably

>shouldn't be hiring escorts in the first place. A couple of

>years ago in another thread I stated that I believed that if I

>couldn't stand what I'm doing in private made public I damn

>well shouldn't be doing it. I still believe that today.

Thank you. I've been saying exactly that around here for several years.

If you're THAT terrified about getting caught doing something you hadn't oughtta be doing, then you hadn't oughtta be doing it. The flip side of that is if you think it's OK to be doing it, you shouldn't be afraid of getting caught doing it.

Having said that, I'm all for exercising due caution. Some escorts are better than others at keeping mum about clients.

Like everything in life, keep your wits about you at all times. There's no need to be a frightened rabbit, but use some common sense.

April 4, 2006

RE: My own safety system

< I never meet a client if I don't have a land line number

I recently went totally wireless and gave up my landline. How would you handle that? ;-)

Barry · April 4, 2006

RE: My own safety system

>< I never meet a client if I don't have a land line number

>

>I recently went totally wireless and gave up my landline. How

>would you handle that? ;-)

Good question. I haven't had a landline in 3 years.

Barry

Steven_Draker · April 4, 2006

RE: My own safety system

>< I never meet a client if I don't have a land line number

>

>I recently went totally wireless and gave up my landline. How

>would you handle that? ;-)

Unblocked cell numbers work fine with me, as long the number is visible.

Only once I accepted to meet someone who was intentionally hiding his number and I deeply regretted after the meeting that I made an exception to my rule.

Steven Draker ~

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+ *deej* · April 4, 2006

RE: My own safety system

People ditching standard POTS lines for VOIP would be in the same boat. More and more I'm seeing people use the phrase "land line" when what they really mean is an unblocked number.

The only thing I've encountered that ACTUALLY required a POTS line is TiVO. :-( It requires a one-time connection to the mothership for initial setup and WILL NOT work with anything but a standard POTS line.

If escorts ever get THAT picky, a lot of us will be in trouble. :9

Rick Munroe · April 4, 2006

RE: My own safety system

Lots of Derek and my clients need to be as discreet as possible, so some of them call from blocked numbers or pay phones, and it's never been a problem. We've occasionally had bad experiences or no-shows but it had nothing to do with a blocked or non-landline phone.

I think the escorts above have every right to set their own policy and to do what makes them comfortable. Although, to use Mr. Draker's own word, it seems unfair to "discriminate" against guys who don't want any record of the transaction vis-a-vis phone bill statements, etc.

Juan Vancouver · April 4, 2006

RE: My own safety system

>I recently went totally wireless and gave up my landline. How would you handle that?

I would sadly have to miss the chance to meet you, or hope that one day we will be in a town where I can visit you at your hotel.

Until then, I will have to keep enjoying you online.

+ *newatthis* · April 4, 2006

RE: My own safety system

Juan --

Your rentboy ad indicates you do incalls. Is your policy the same for them, or when you're traveling and entertaining in your hotel? (I seem to recall someone -- you? -- writing that he set up first meetings with new incall clients in a coffee shop in order to check them out, and only then brought them home. I know an escort who greets his clients in the lobby of his building -- there's a doorman -- for the same reason.)

-new

Juan Vancouver · April 4, 2006

RE: My own safety system

hey new.

I am glad that you ask. I was realizing that I left the incalls out of my post.

For an incall all I need is a cell number that I can call back to, same number that my client will use to call from downstairs so I can give him my room num ber. That, or -again- his last name and the room number where he is staying at. In the places where I do incalls there is always security. And there is always someone who knows that I am in a call and for how long.

As for the coffee shop thing, it was for sure not me. I was very lucky to start escorting in an agency (even if the agency was not very good), because I learnt all the tools of the trade.

Thousand times better safe than sorry.

And as I said before, thank God for escorts like Rick, who will gladly avoid discriminating against the ultra-secretive type of clients.

We all (clients and escorts alike) have to stay within the realms of our comfort zone. Being comfortable is the only way to ensure that a good time will be had by all.

rickyricardo · April 4, 2006

RE: What is wrong with verification? / it's totally not that serious

1st off some of you guys act like your discreation and privacy is being invaded by an escort wanting a simple call from an unblocked number. 2nd your the one calling us , we are not calling you.. we(if your professional) will NEVER call you. All calls are you to the escort, if your argument is that you dont want a phone number on your phone bill. Give me a break, who doctors a phone bill an call the number, if they did how would the person know you called an escort? Really ?? I have seen and see VERY HIGH profile people, entertainers ect. who have so much to loose behind something like this. But I RESECT their privacy as a professional, they found this out after intial email contact. As far as me wanting to know your REAL name, come on I could carless what your real name is, it can be Mickey Mouse for all I care, however if coming to your hotel I will need your room number to call the hotel an ask for that extention. You must then answer the phone so I know that you are in that room. I don't need to know your name unless YOUR hotel requires to know the guest last name to connect to the room. Verification is just that simple, also it for the saftey of escort, every escort should take security measures for their safety but some do not. They trust everyone, more power to ya. But it totally not that serious, if the client feel they are so important and don't trust the escort your calling w/o giving up your phone number, then EMAIL them to get a feel on them first. An if your still don't want to give a contact number then move on to someone who will entertain your antics. There is someone for everyone.

RM

http://www.RicardoMilos.net

April 4, 2006

RE: My own safety system

I guess I'm hopelessly naive, but help me understand why an escort is at additional risk when he doesn't have a phone number (either cell or land). Are you saying that those that don't disclose numbers usually have less than admirable reasons for not revealing it?

I am one of those not willing to give a number. My one and only reason is simply that the called or calling number (that'd be yours) becomes recorded on my phone bill. Does that make me ultra-secretive?

Boston Guy · April 4, 2006

RE: My own safety system

Well, there's another reason, too.

I often give out my cell number, especially to escorts I've already met. However, I don't always give it out at the beginning and always do so only after due consideration.

I've had more than one experience where an escort that I had hired kept calling to try to get me to hire him again. With one guy, it got bad enough that I considered changing my number.

Most guys aren't like that. In my experience, most escorts are as trustworthy as any other group of people. I've known some guys for more than ten years and am happy to know them. But you don't know ahead of time who you can trust and, once given out, a phone number cannot be retracted.

I have definitely passed on escorts who insisted on a first call from an unblocked number in favor of those with whom I could communicate anonymously until my comfort zone was reached.

One last consideration: my cell number uniquely identifies me. I don't care for having it in the hands of a lot of men I later chose not to meet. Information is too widely available these days and it's only a matter of time before escorts -- and others -- will start tracking these phone numbers.

BG

Epigonos · April 4, 2006

RE: My own safety system

During the last four years I have hired dozens of escorts. To all of these guys, after our initial email contact, I have given my real name, my home telephone number, and my cell telephone number. Not ONCE has this information been abused. Frankly I don't really understand how it can be. If an escort should call repeatedly trying to solicit an appointment I would simple, after politely asking him not to do so, hang up just as I do to ALL other unsolicited telemarketers.

Now I will grant you I don't pick up escorts off the streets, I use this site judiciously and select only guys with stellar reputations. The wonderful thing about this site is it allows me to research and select guys who are honest, trustworthy businessmen -- that is guys like the ones posting on this thread.

Additionally don't think for one minute that I don't care if the fact that I hire escorts is exposed because I do. However, before I hired my first escorts I analysised the situation and concluded that if it happened I would just have to live with it because after all nobody forced me to begin hiring -- that was my choice and I was/am willing to accept the consequences of MY actions.

Boston Guy · April 4, 2006

RE: My own safety system

Your points are well taken.

Over the last ten years, I've hired hundreds of escorts. Many have been last-minute situations when I was in a city on business and decided to have some fun instead of spending the night working alone in my hotel room.

In this kind of situation, time is of the essence: who's in town, who's around and available, who looks like they would be fun? That's a very different situation from one that is planned carefully in advance, with lots of time to study one's options.

I might easily end up getting in touch with someone I've never heard of 15 minutes before or who was simply advertising in a chat room or whose pic I saw on one of the online services. I don't think of this as being a negative -- the spontaneity of the whole thing is actually fun. But yon really don't have much information about who you are calling and, frankly, I tend to err on the side of caution when it comes to sharing my personal information with strangers. I think that not doing so today, when information is so easily moved around and traded, is a bit naive.

Like you, I understand the risks of having the fact that I hire escorts exposed. Anyone who hires an escort simply must accept that possibility. However, there's a vast difference between accepting the possibility and taking reasonable steps to safeguard one's privacy and just throwing caution to the winds. Like it or not, while most escorts are decent enough, there are some really truly unsavory guys out there. Searching the archives will yield more than one thread about escorts blackmailing clients.

Out of all of my encounters, most have been terrific. Some have been mediocre. Only a handful raised any kinds of caution in my mind. Only one was a distinct threat. One other one ended the moment I opened the door and saw the guy. And only a couple have misused my telephone number, to the best of my knowledge.

But better to be cautious early than regret later, especially with personal information that cannot be retracted later. Or, at least, that's how I see it.

Regards,

BG

rickyricardo · April 4, 2006

RE: My own safety system

>During the last four years I have hired dozens of escorts.

>To all of these guys, after our initial email contact, I have

>given my real name, my home telephone number, and my cell

>telephone number. Not ONCE has this information been abused.

>Frankly I don't really understand how it can be. If an escort

>should call repeatedly trying to solicit an appointment I

>would simple, after politely asking him not to do so, hang up

>just as I do to ALL other unsolicited telemarketers.

>Now I will grant you I don't pick up escorts off the streets,

>I use this site judiciously and select only guys with stellar

>reputations. The wonderful thing about this site is it allows

>me to research and select guys who are honest, trustworthy

>businessmen -- that is guys like the ones posting on this

>thread.

>Additionally don't think for one minute that I don't care if

>the fact that I hire escorts is exposed because I do.

>However, before I hired my first escorts I analysised the

>situation and concluded that if it happened I would just have

>to live with it because after all nobody forced me to begin

>hiring -- that was my choice and I was/am will to accept the

>consequences of MY actions.

sounds very logical to me.. smart man.. I personally do not feel any escort should solicit to clients other than by placing their ads and email. I only call clients who ASK me to call them when I come to their city. These clients are on my personal callback list. They will get a discreet message letting them know I am coming to town.. It's all have to do with respect and professionalism. No one should not have any problems if they legit both ways. I feel you get back what you put out.. good energy attracts good energy...

R.M.

rickyricardo · April 4, 2006

RE: My own safety system

>Well, there's another reason, too.

>

>I often give out my cell number, especially to escorts I've

>already met. However, I don't always give it out at the

>beginning and always do so only after due consideration.

>

>I've had more than one experience where an escort that I had

>hired kept calling to try to get me to hire him again. With

>one guy, it got bad enough that I considered changing my

>number.

>

>Most guys aren't like that. In my experience, most escorts

>are as trustworthy as any other group of people. I've known

>some guys for more than ten years and am happy to know them.

>But you don't know ahead of time who you can trust and, once

>given out, a phone number cannot be retracted.

>

>I have definitely passed on escorts who insisted on a first

>call from an unblocked number in favor of those with whom I

>could communicate anonymously until my comfort zone was

>reached.

>

>One last consideration: my cell number uniquely identifies

>me. I don't care for having it in the hands of a lot of men I

>later chose not to meet. Information is too widely available

>these days and it's only a matter of time before escorts --

>and others -- will start tracking these phone numbers.

>

>BG

LOL.. well simply dont call a LOT of men . to prevent this problem.

this is so funny. If someone dont want to give a contact number, simply stick to emails and I sure some escort will blogg up their schedules by believing the client is legit. LOL> what a joke.. and give the CLIENT all their personal information , number, address, hotel room number etc.. It's so funny client want something but dont want to give up anything.. and whats with a phone number? again like I said before. who contacted who FIRST.

I sorry you hooked up with a psycho hustler escort, that kept calling you for a repeat visit.. LOL now that's funny.. A true professional will not contact you for a repeat performance, the professional will be contacted by the client for a repeat, they are the one spending the $$$$.

TJM · April 5, 2006

RE: What is wrong with verification? / it's totally not that serious

I agree with you Ricky...everyone's safety is important. I wouldn't expect you to take risks that I would never be comfortable with. I don't have a problem giving my number. First, I've researched the escort and even have contacted clients who post here or have reviewed the escort. Second, when I email the escort I usually give my phone number and tell them to call if they prefer that to email. If I've spoken to one of their other clients I usually tell the escort that this person recommended them. This helps the escort to know I'm serious and I think establishes a very basic level of trust. Sometimes the posts on here portray the escort as some kind of sub-human emotionless droid who is exempt from fear, anxiety and concern because of the profession they have chosen. The limited number of escorts I have hired (all based on recommendations from clients on this site) have been warm, caring, friendly men who experience the same range of life's peaks and valleys as well as human emotion as any one of us. While I agree that escorts do engage in a business that involves customer satisfaction, and perhaps a riskier business than most, it doesn't mean they aren't entitled to some level of comfort when engaging a client for the first time. For me, and I hope for the escort, this has meant a much more enjoyable encounter.

twinkboylover28 · April 5, 2006

RE: What is wrong with verification? / it's totally not that serious

""If you're THAT terrified about getting caught doing something you hadn't oughtta be doing, then you hadn't oughtta be doing it. The flip side of that is if you think it's OK to be doing it, you shouldn't be afraid of getting caught doing it""

For some of our closeted friends (including myself) escorts can provide a vital service. Surely you're not suggesting that closeted homosexuals should "never" hire escorts?

In addition, I NEVER give out my real name, address, or phone number unless I freely feel comfortable giving it out... not becasue some escort decides to pressure me.

I often preview the "merchandise" at a "local cafe near my hotel" so we can both check each other out. What is wrong with that practice?This works for me.

""One other one ended the moment I opened the door and saw the guy.""

Boston Guy...what made you end it so quickly? LOL

April 5, 2006

RE: What is wrong with verification? / it's totally not that serious

>Give me a break, who doctors a phone bill an call the number ........ ?

How about --- a wife?

twinkboylover28 · April 5, 2006

RE: What is wrong with verification? / it's totally not that serious

I'll take common sense for $200 Alex.

Boston Guy · April 5, 2006

RE: What is wrong with verification? / it's totally not that serious

>""One other one ended the moment I opened the door and saw the

>guy.""

>

>Boston Guy...what made you end it so quickly? LOL

It was quite a few years ago in LA. I had seen an ad in Frontiers for an escort who looked good -- young, boy-next-door type. He looked 18 but claimed he was really 20. I called him and he answered from his phone and asked me to go online and see more of his pics. I went online and they looked great, so I called him back and agreed we should meet.

He arrived about an hour later... when I opened the door, I saw before me an unclean, unkempt, smelly guy who was at least in his early 30s. I refused to believe it was the same guy, until he showed me the tattoo on his shoulder. All of this occurred while I was standing in the doorway and he was standing in the hotel.

I finally accepted that he was the same guy but was not about to let him into my hotel room. He wasn't happy, but couldn't really say too much since he was almost twice as old as he was in the pictures that he had just had me view online.

I recall that he wanted money and I wanted him gone and I ended up threatening to call security and he eventually left. He's the only one I've never even let in the room.

Funny, the thing I remember most about him was his hands: it looked like he had just come in from working on a car and his hands and fingernails were filthy and greasy.

BG

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