Legal Question.

[esn311]

I am thinking of hiring an escort for the first time and concerned about not getting setup. I know there is no way to be 100% sure if the escort is a setup but I would think there are some things to avoid or do to help. Does anyone have any pointers on making relatively sure that the escort is not a law enforcement person?

 

Thanks

[guyinsf]

The most obvious: Hire someone who has at least a few positive reviews on this site. Until someone posts a story about an escort-turned-vice cop, I think you're safe hiring someone with an established history as an escort.

[JT Brooklyn]

Definitely go with a guy who has received "Fan Mail" on this site! Depending on where you are located, Large Markets NYC-LA-Miami the PD's do have alot of other more inportant things on their minds! Small Towns definitely maybe a diffrent story "Possibly"..

Enjoy your First Time! :+

[Lankypeters]

Book through an established agency, if one exists where you live.

 

Lankypeters

[BobbyThompson]

Like the previous responders said, you should be fine if you stick to those with a few reviews.

 

You hear about those police stings that involve street prostitution, but when it comes to the more clandestine encounters, I think they often turn a blind eye. Isn't it more likely that a police team would focus their investigations on capturing escorts and not setting up clients?

 

Best of luck!

[N.N.]

>You hear about those police stings that involve street

>prostitution, but when it comes to the more clandestine

>encounters, I think they often turn a blind eye. Isn't it more

>likely that a police team would focus their investigations on

>capturing escorts and not setting up clients?

 

Some authorities take a certain delight in exposing the

clients of prostitutes. Some 25 years or so ago, Mayor

Ed Koch of New York ordered that the names and addresses

of clients be read on the city's radio station WNYC; he

called it the John Hour.

 

I remember a male escort agency in San Jose got busted

about 15 years ago; in addition to arresting the owners,

the police answered the agency's phones for a while and

set a few clients up. Newspapers had fun reporting on

the professions of the clients (although they didn't

give names, if I remember correctly).

 

Escort sting operations are probably more common than those

for clients, but the latter are not unheard of--and some

clients have a lot to lose if they are exposed.

[woodlawn]

>Some authorities take a certain delight in exposing the

>clients of prostitutes.

 

True. Cities like Chicago, Charlotte, Akron and Kansas City have put on their websites or public tv channels the names and mugshots of johns who were caught.

 

Prostitutes do get caught in hotel stings, as one or two who post here can attest from their own experience, so obviously the cops don't "turn a blind eye" to that sort of thing.

 

For some reason I keep having to point out that booking a prostitute reviewed here is no guarantee of safety. Genuine prostitutes have been known to help the police set people up in return for lenient treatment in their own cases. Isn't that how Marion Barry was caught?

[Rod Hagen]

>For some reason I keep having to point out that booking a

>prostitute reviewed here is no guarantee of safety. Genuine

>prostitutes have been known to help the police set people up

>in return for lenient treatment in their own cases. Isn't

>that how Marion Barry was caught?

 

 

Who mentioned this "guarantee" you speak of? All I see is people recommending measures they believe will stack the odds in the clients favor making a calculated risk.

 

 

http://www.RodHagen.com

310.360.9890

Fun affectionate guy in Los Angeles.

-Rod Hagen

[Steven_Draker]

Alternatively, you can fly to countries like Canada, Holland or Belgium where paying for sex is not a criminal offence.

 

Steven Draker ~

http://www.hotsexystud.com/uk

[Luv2play]

Canada's laws on prostitution are not quite as straightforward as your post would imply. While it is true that there is no law against paying for sex, per se, there is a law against communicating for the purpose of paid sex. Thus you have to be caught in the act of offering money in return for a sexual act to be liable to criminal sanction.

 

Many have criticised this law since it forces sex workers into unsafe places (particularly vulnerable women) to pusue their trade. For callgirls and guys, it is not as big a problem as the exchange is usually negotiated over the phone or the internet.

 

I have not heard of many sting operations lately except in the case of an escort agency that was apparently using underage guys and selling drugs, both of which drew the attention of the authorities who closed them down. This was the Montreal HotBoys Agency that had been favourably commented on on this site many times. Some new agencies have sprung up in their place and are now advertising in the local gay rag, Le Fugue.

 

Generally speaking, if you are discreet and use a modicum of good sense, you will not get arrested hiring guys for sex in Canada.

[Steven_Draker]

Thank you, Luv2play. I stand corrected.

[Juan Vancouver]

Dear Luv2Play,

 

The crime here is communication with the intent of prostitution in a public place.

 

You can do that in private, by phone, on the net, by mail... and you are not breaking any law.

 

By the way, the exchange of sex for money is still illegal in Canada. Our licenses are that of "Social escorts". And even if we get better health care and more attention to spot and treat possible STD's, we are not suposed to charge for sex at all. That we do it out of the generosity of our hearts. (I asked a lawyer friend of mine why that was, and apparenlty the wording of that law was thought in order to protect prostitutes to be forced to do anything they didn't want to do. "You are paying me for my time, I don't have to do that. Only I can decide what it is off boundaries and what is not.")

 

So, ESN, come across the border. Make sure that you are not contacting a minor, involving any drugs, make sure that you are not using a street prostitute, make sure that you don't go to a Bawdy house or use a prostitute that has a pimp and there is no way you will be in a sting... ever.

 

(In practice it is much easier to do than it looks in writing.)

 

I hope that your first experience is fulfilling, fun and safe!

[woodlawn]

>Who mentioned this "guarantee" you speak of?

 

I mentioned it. Almost every time this subject comes up, someone asserts that one needn't worry about a thing so long as one sticks to escorts who are well reviewed on this site.

 

>All I see is

>people recommending measures they believe will stack the odds

>in the clients favor making a calculated risk.

 

I think that could be made much clearer than it has been.

[Rod Hagen]

>I think that could be made much clearer than it has been.

 

Before your post I saw only reasonable advice on how to decrease risk.

 

http://www.RodHagen.com

310.360.9890

Fun affectionate guy in Los Angeles.

-Rod Hagen

[+ glutes]

> Until someone posts a story

>about an escort-turned-vice cop,

 

Hmmm, this got me wondering.

Before responding to our new member '311', folks should know that a google seach turned up the following on 311, it is a California Penal Code!

 

311. As used in this chapter, the following definitions apply:

(a) "Obscene matter" means matter, taken as a whole, that to the

average person, applying contemporary statewide standards, appeals to

the prurient interest, that, taken as a whole, depicts or describes

sexual conduct in a patently offensive way, and that, taken as a

whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific

value.

(1) If it appears from the nature of the matter or the

circumstances of its dissemination, distribution, or exhibition that

it is designed for clearly defined deviant sexual groups, the appeal

of the matter shall be judged with reference to its intended

recipient group.

[JT Brooklyn]

That's Juan.. Always likes to be On Top of Everything! You Rock ...:+

[Guest jeffOH]

My attorney told me not to trust the cops. They'll lie if you ask if they're affiliated with law enforcement, they'll pay someone to set you up or they'll make a deal with someone who's facing other charges to set you up.

 

If you have an escort come to your home, odds are they're not a cop. In my situation, since I refused to talk about sex and money, the cop got naked and allowed me to fondle him (a sexual advance). Many cities have discontinued such tactics because of increased potential for misconduct and corruption. The stings cops conduct pertaining to escorts are usually done at a hotel. They also do what they call reverse stings where the undercover officer is posing as an escort. So BEWARE of traveling escorts you've never heard of who've set up shop for a few days in a local hotel. Usually, the stings tend to focus more on escort agencies and brothels than independent escorts. The cops will run fake escort ads in local publications and on the internet.

 

Here in Columbus, the Million Dollar Madam, as the police have called her, just struck a deal to testify against her "silent partner". Her arrest came after 12 years, 2 failed investigations and who knows how many thousand of dollars of officer time and resources. All this after police acknowledged they'd received ONLY 2 complaints about her in 12 years. They also said that she ran a tight ship, didn't tolerate drug usage amongst her girls and made sure they were healthy and basically complimented her on her professional management of her business which employed around 40 women. I feel so much safer now.

[esn311]

Glute

 

Give me a break, FYI 311 is either part of my birthday, my address, my zip code or my phone number. If I told you what it was you would probably do a search again and com up with some other erroneous information.

[esn311]

Jeff

 

You mentioned if they come to my house, what if I go to theirs

 

Thanks

[Guest jeffOH]

>You mentioned if they come to my house, what if I go to

>theirs

 

Avoid sex/money talk, they like to play word games. I would try to initiate a big open-mouthed kiss while fully clothed. Cops aren't likely to do that, but hey, you never know these days. It's a risk you take. If he's grabbing your dick, ass, or generally making aggressive overtures, he's probably not a cop. To minimize the risk factor, I'd stick to well-reviewed escorts and have them come to your home or to your hotel. Pretty much every escort I've hired, I had come to my place without incident. How police in different jurisdictions handle prostitution varies. Some treat escort-prostitution differently than street-prostitution operating on more of a complaint only basis. You might do an online search to see if prostitution stings have made the news in your area.

 

Take care and HAVE FUN!

[esn311]

thanks,

[+ glutes]

Sure '311', now why are you asking legal questions to rentboys??

[Rod Hagen]

>>I think that could be made much clearer than it has been.

>

>Before your post I saw only reasonable advice on how to

>decrease risk.

 

 

Better?

[esn311]

Glutes

 

Like I said I have not hired an escort before and I am concerned, I Can Not end up in a setup. I am not sure why you think I am not for real !!!! And how do I know who you are... Jeeze

[Luv2play]

Juan, I should have been clearer than I was in specifying that one had to be in a public place for the "Cummunication" law to apply. Thus if one is on the phone at home and calls up an escort, one is in a private place and not subject to the criminal law against communicating for the purpose of prostitution. But I looked into the matter more closely after reading your post and discovered that a cell phone is not considered private as it uses the public airwaves so one has to be careful there (who would have thought!?).

 

Also a private versus a public place is somewhat ambiguous. For instance, being on private property but in public view is considered a public place, even if it is inside your house with a window open. Likewise a car is a public place unless it is in a secluded place and the two parties have made an effort to hide their activities!

 

You are not correct to state, however, that sex in exchange for money is illegal in Canada. There is no such provision, only the one for communicating in a public place and others concerning procuring (pimping) and soliciting a minor for sex in exchange for money. And apparently, convictions can be obtained even if the escort states in a public place that the client is only paying for their time, especially if the place is known as one where solicitation for prostitution takes place.

 

If you Google "prostitution laws in Canada" you can get several sites that provide a fuller explanation of the laws and their intricacies, which is probably a good idea if you are in the biz either as an escort or a client. For instance, I never knew about that cellphone thing!!:o