minimal expectations

[SAdler]

WOW .... DID WE ALL TOTALLY AGREE ON SOMETHING? IS THIS A SIGN THE MESSIAH IS COMING??!!?

 

HALLEJUYAH WEVE BEEN SAVED

 

I knew we'd all agree on something at SOME point Hee Hee

[SAdler]

>If it's just an hour or two, I appreciate when an escort

>can keep their attention on just the two of us.

>

>In ancient times (30 years ago) people managed to live

>without cell phones.

 

And I'm happy not to have grown up in ancient times. In ancient times wearing cotton/poly blends was a sin worth stoning.

 

Dr. Laura, perhaps you should catch up on what's changed since ancient times. It's a world of possibilities. Doctors wear pagers now, shit happens. GET OVER IT.

>

>It kills me when an escort tells the client what really

>matters.

 

You are 100% right. I would be a hippocrite to say anything different. Usually what matters is the client cumming, unless otherwise indicated. I would never presume to say the ONLY thing that matters is the client cumming.

[SAdler]

>Personally, I prefer to get my T-shirts at Old Navy or the

>Salvation Army.

 

Not the point dear It's a metaphor.

 

>That's true, but it's a good idea to call when you know you

>are going to be late (unless you're stuck in the subway with

>no reception).

 

I never said anything different. See my response to HIS comments.

 

>I disagree. Derek and I always turn our phones off before we

>knock on the hotel room door, or before someone arrives at our

>place. If we forget and it rings, we immediately turn the

>power off without looking to see who it is.

 

Again. Read the context. We're talking about DINNER. Once the "performance" begins obviously Im not going to hop up to answer the phone. But that goes in conjunction with working hours. NORMAL people dont call during certain times when these performances usually take place. A call during dinner, if important can be taken. But I'm not saying all calls can and should be answered.

>

>I have one, and I ignore her calls all the time. Even she

>knows that people (even sons) have lives and are not always

>able to answer a cell phone. Also, it's a good idea to let

>Mom worry needlessly every now and then. Keeps 'em feeling

>alive.

 

Not to be a bitch but how old are you? You've reached a point where your mother doesn't need to grasp hold of her little boy. I'm not even 21 yet, just recently in a motorcycle accident, and an only child. She just moved from LA to NM and honestly has nothing else better to do than live vicariously through my life. I need to indulge her in at LEAST that else perish. I'm not saying I'll have a twenty minute conversation with her, just answer and tell her I'm busy and will call later.

>

>Really? I've never had that happen to me (and I would never

>take a prescription drug from anyone, even if it's just

>Viagra; I'm just a baby that way).

 

What can I say. I love my clients. The ones that are willing to shell out the 100 mg that freakin insurance companies refuse to cover (bitterness party of one here) really show they're committed to a great experience for everyone involved.

>

>That's not always true. Some clients need to see the escort

>cum and don't need to cum themselves; for others, the opposite

>is true. And for some others, they don't care if either

>person cums. I think what really matters in the long run is

>being a nice person and making sure the client is happy (even

>if he's submissive and only wants to please the escort; you're

>still making him happy by letting him make you feel good).

 

I know I know. I answered that above. Cherrfully withdrawn. What I should have said was that the client was happy IMPLYING an orgasm but yadda yadda...live and learn.

>

>What are normal hours? 9-5? Just turn your phone off when

>you are not available.

 

I'm not saying 9-5 but like probably 9A - 10P would be fair if you don't already KNOW the escort. Just think what hours you would call a complete stranger. That's why the gods invented email.

 

As for turning my phone off? You'll note I dont post my phone number. I'm not a full time escort. I have one phone, no home phone, nothing else. It is on at all times. That way, I'm always available to those who NEED to reach me. 24/7 contact is why we HAVE email. If somebody is rude enough to call me looking to fuck at 3 AM, I'm sure as hell not going to call them back. That's just the way I see it.

[SAdler]

>Really? I answer all emails, even if they're just brief notes

>like that. Some people just aren't good at writing or using a

>computer. I don't hold it against them.

 

Again, I think this goes back to personal taste. If you want to respond to all emails, be my guest. As to "not being good at writing..." there's a difference between "How r u, how much 2 suck?" and "Hi. Rates for Oral?"

 

One indicates that typing the a, e, y, and o in addition to the word to is too much of an effort. It inidicates little respect and in my opinion and experiences a lack of seriousness in the inquiry.

 

>Some guys are married or closeted and paranoid about anyone

>having any of their personal info. I respect that and don't

>care if I get calls from blocked numbers. Some of those have

>turned out to be regular and trustworthy clients.

 

I agree, but at the same time. I don't need to repeat the "Big and Willow" saga from Sex and the City. "She can get me, but I can NEVER get her." I can understand a blocked number, but if they cant trust me enough to be discreet and only contact them as necessary -- why on EARTH should I trust them?

>

>Why don't you just turn your phone off when you go to bed? :o

>

Again. Maybe it's just you that has the luxury of turning off your cell phone. Mine also happens to be my alarm. So I cant turn it off or put it on vibrate. Why should I have to change my life so that clients can break social decency and courtesy rules?

[SAdler]

>The Escort response by Scott and Bobby really show to me how

>different even Escorts and their turn offs or turn ons can be.

>I think personal hygiene is always a must for ALL concerned.

 

I don't think we differed so much at all .... ESPECIALLY there

>

>Scott mentions keeping one's hands to one's self in public

>places yet, it is with Escorts I have had this happen. My most

>memorable was a pinch on the ass while in line for Space

>Mountain and a quick kiss in a dark area of Pirates of the

>Caribbean. I might add that I was not offended at all. :+

>

I'm not saying it's forbidden. But like you say, discreet pinch on the ass and a lick in a dark room. Both of those he initiated and were done without the whole world seeing. I've had clients try to make out with me in a bar, grab my ass visibly, put their arm around me or even hold my hand walking down third street -- a generally straight venue. Leave it to them, but discretion is always a must. Anna Nicole complex runs rampant and people don't need the wrong ideas.

 

>Kissing is one of my favorite sexual activities and I somewhat

>agree that it should be a dance. Yet I've had many Escorts

>that are very aggressive kissers, though they usually ease up

>to the aggressiveness from small pecks. I have found this to

>be very arousing, except for the one Escort that almost

>chipped my tooth from crashing his teeth into mine. OUCH

>

Yeah. Ow indeed. Again. It's just as much our fault if we dont stop it. Likewise, if you're not into something, something should be said about it rather than holding grudges. (I really hope someone reads that line ::MUAH:: you know who you are)

[Txpaytoplay]

There is definately a difference between a consumate professional and a young pup in the minors trying to make it to the big leagues. If I was the young pup, I would stay on the porch a little while longer and do more reading and learning and less commentary. I don't think you are ready to run with the Big Dogs yet.:o

[N.N.]

>And I'm happy not to have grown up in ancient times. In

>ancient times wearing cotton/poly blends was a sin worth

>stoning.

>

>Dr. Laura, perhaps you should catch up on what's changed since

>ancient times. It's a world of possibilities. Doctors wear

>pagers now, shit happens. GET OVER IT.

 

My point isn't that life should be the way it was 30 years ago,

but rather just that it's not so hard to do without a cell phone

(in this case, for a couple of hours).

 

It matters to me that an escort be willing to keep his

attention on just the two of us. If your vaunted date-like

sessions don't include the courtesy of you turning your phone

off for a couple of hours, then you can entertain clients

who are cool with that. I'll stick with escorts who can go

for an hour or two without checking to see if Mommy called.

[SAdler]

Lee --

 

It's Funny -- I've been doing this for about four years ... I couldn't seem to find your reviews to compare time frames etc. Perhaps they're under another name.

 

I think I've got some room to speak and know what I'm talking about. Next time you want to be rude, condescending and patronize me .... don't.

[SAdler]

>My point isn't that life should be the way it was 30 years

>ago,

>but rather just that it's not so hard to do without a cell

>phone

>(in this case, for a couple of hours).

 

It's not hard....but not necessary at this point in life.

>

>It matters to me that an escort be willing to keep his

>attention on just the two of us. If your vaunted date-like

>sessions don't include the courtesy of you turning your phone

>off for a couple of hours, then you can entertain clients

>who are cool with that. I'll stick with escorts who can go

>for an hour or two without checking to see if Mommy called.

 

I can keep my attention on my partner for the evening quite easily. I'm quite able to multi task. I'm not saying that I would jump up from a call or my mother or anyone else, I would make sure it was an emergency. FIVE Calls in a four minute period indicates that something is urgent and needs to be addressed.

 

My phone is theoretically off. As discussed by another post, it's not like I get up in the middle of getting fucked to schedule an appointment an hour later. All this is in context in emergencies on a case by case basis.

[BewareofNick]

>Market based rate. I'm not starting another escort fees

>thread within here. The point is, if you have a certain

>price, look for someone you can afford. Does Gucci charge the

>same thing for a T-Shirt that Hanes does? Hell no. Do they

>do it? Yes. There is no market, this is PURELY based on each

>escort's individual value.

 

Scott, I surely hope your degree is not in business, because if it is I feel you will fail spectacularly. There absolutely is a market. Escorts can command higher prices in markets such as LA and New York, prices they would not get in smaller markets such as Orlando or New Orleans. While certaine scorts might be able to command a higher rate, that is generally because they bring something else to the table (ie porn star, 12" cock, etc). You are certainly a nice looking boy, but you are not a Gucci. You're not a Hanes either, but you certainly have an inflated value of your own self worth.

 

>>3) Be on time. No excuse not to.

>

>Have you ever lived in LA or New York? I guarantee you

>traffic is one of MANY EXCUSES that are valid. I'd love to

>discuss some of the ones I've heard

 

Traffic is never an excuse. You live in LA. You know what the roads are like. Plan accordingly.

 

>>4) Turn your cell phone off. How rude to take calls on my

>>time.

>

>Yes and no. Taking calls regularly is quite rude and

>completely unforgiveable. Leaving your phone on vibrate and

>discreetly looking to see if it's an important call is

>perfectly fine. As long as answering doesn't become a habit.

>If my mother calls and I don't answer I'm assumed dead or in

>jail. Have you had a Jewish mother?

 

Wrong again. The phone needs to be off during a session. There is nothing so earth shattering that can't wait until the hour is up.

 

>>5) It has to get hard. No excuse not to.

>

>Yes and no. This will go to certain points I bring up in the

>Ten Client Commandments. There are MANY clients that provide

>their working boys with a viagra when they walk in. I'm not

>saying it's a requirement but I'm sure you've tried to get

>hard and had a fluke day? I'm happy to send you my paper on

>Male Prostitution and Performance Anxiety if you'd like to

>read something academic

 

If it doesn't get hard, what's the point?

 

>now for the TEN CLIENT COMMANDMENTS:

>

>I. Thou shalt have good hygeine

>II. Thou shalt be on time

>III. To thine own self keep thy hands and be discreet in

>public places

>IV. Thou shalt not attempt to milk every last drop

>figuratively and literally

>V. Thou shalt not call me outside of NORMAL hours

>VI. Thou shalt cancel or notify as soon as a problem arises

>VII. Thou shalt have the money on the table and/or visible and

>available.

>VIII. Mine dick after an orgasm is sensitive, please don’t

>think its name is Bessie.

>IX. The phrases “no” and “I’m not into that” MEAN what they

>say.

>X. Thou shalt understand before and respect the rates after

>without attempts to bargain.

>

>I’m happy to explain ANY of them if they need to be clarified

>but I actually have to run now and wanted to get this up

> Again, my last post was somewhat misconstrued. This

>isn’t meant to OFFEND anyone, this is just saying this is

>sometimes a common problem. Unless it’s been addressed with

>you as a client you probably don’t have anything to worry

>about.

 

If clients have a set of rules, then escorts should too.

[Boston Guy]

BofN:

 

Welcome back. I'm happy to see you posting here again.

 

BG

[BewareofNick]

Well thank you. I am pleased to be back. It was difficult reading for a month with people saying horrible things about me and not being able to respond. Thankfully, there were some, such as Doug, that spoke up in my defense.

[Txpaytoplay]

>Lee --

>

>It's Funny -- I've been doing this for about four years ... I

>couldn't seem to find your reviews to compare time frames etc.

> Perhaps they're under another name.

>

>I think I've got some room to speak and know what I'm talking

>about. Next time you want to be rude, condescending and

>patronize me .... don't.

 

Scott --

 

After 4 years years of doing this...I would have thought you would have understood and respected the idea that everyone is in entitled to their own opinion. I have just used my right to state mine, which obviously you are in disgreement with. I am sure this will not be the last time that our opinions differ. Scott, you may have some experiences, but you do not know it all....The sooner you realize that the more successful you are going to be.

[twinklover]

"But like you say, discreet pinch on the ass and a lick in a dark room. Both of those he initiated and were done without the whole world seeing. I've had clients try to make out with me in a bar, grab my ass visibly, put their arm around me or even hold my hand."

 

Scott, I hate to witness your self-destruction here and elsewhere. I've already stated my opinion of you on the "other board" and will not repeat it here. I will have much harsher things to say about you there but I respect this forum and its rules.

 

Yes, you apparently can suck your own dick in multiple positions. And I admit I was sort of interested in you before I read your various posts and your character was revealed. I do have a few additional observations:

1. "Disgusting" clients would like their dicks sucked too. I know it's "disgusting" but many clients do like that, and knowing that you think it's "disgusting" doesn't enhance the experience.

2. You have average looks for a guy your age, very average and not "Gucci". I just don't understand what I perceive to be your arrogance and pretentiousness, notwithstanding your self-sucking abilities.

3. Erik has stated his dislike (I mean "hatred" of you) and that's a black mark in my book. Why should HE dislike you so much?

4. Experienced clients know the difference between a $250 per hour genuine escort and a $50 hustler. The escort treats his client as if he was a god, is on time, doesn't answer his cell phone on duty, isn't afraid of being touched in public, doesn't find his client or what they engage in to be "disgusting", is prepared for action (and doesn't moan about being worked too hard), and gets his dick hard and cums. There are such "escorts" around. So the question is, which are you? For your own welfare, should you really be in this line of work, given the way you think?

 

Back to the topic at hand. My most minimal expectation of an escort is that they be an escort, a genuine companion for the time of the engagement, and not a hustler or someone who finds such work to be "disgusting" (same difference in my book).

 

But I do appreciate your honesty and candor, Scott. I do. I'm thankful that you have revealed yourself and you're typical of many of those who market themselves as "escorts." Remember this,

however, there are some (a lot of) clients who aspire for more (much more), especially at the "non-negotiable" rates that you quote. LOL.

[ErikMcAlister]

>Why should I have to change

>my life so that clients can break social decency and courtesy

>rules?

 

God knows prostitution isn't breaking any social decency rules!

[ErikMcAlister]

Posting someone's first name is OK now?

Scott claiming to have been involved in escorting as a minor (he's not 21 yet & has done this for 4 years) is OK now?

Wasn't there some big meltdown not that long ago out of concerns about legal issues? Is Scott trying to ruin the site? I'll be issuing an alert now.

 

 

>Lee --

>

>It's Funny -- I've been doing this for about four years ... I

>couldn't seem to find your reviews to compare time frames etc.

> Perhaps they're under another name.

>

>I think I've got some room to speak and know what I'm talking

>about. Next time you want to be rude, condescending and

>patronize me .... don't.

[SAdler]

>Scott, I surely hope your degree is not in business, because

>if it is I feel you will fail spectacularly. There absolutely

>is a market. Escorts can command higher prices in markets

>such as LA and New York, prices they would not get in smaller

>markets such as Orlando or New Orleans. While certaine scorts

>might be able to command a higher rate, that is generally

>because they bring something else to the table (ie porn star,

>12" cock, etc). You are certainly a nice looking boy, but you

>are not a Gucci. You're not a Hanes either, but you certainly

>have an inflated value of your own self worth.

 

It isn't nor did I say it was. But (and excuse me if I use incorrect terminology or what not but you get the idea) we're dealing with specific markets not generalized. When I say there's no market I'm not talking overall, I'm talking in a specific area. OF COURSE I'm not going to compare LA rates to New Orleans. Cost of living comes into play and the like. Again. My favorite word. CONTEXT.

 

As to my choice of fashion. Think what you will but the only victimization in regards to inflation that I've experienced has been in my costs of living.

 

>Traffic is never an excuse. You live in LA. You know what

>the roads are like. Plan accordingly.

 

If you live in LA nd said that I don't know what to say to you because I want to see how and when you drive places. Otherwise, and other LA people will vouch for me, you NEVER know what to expect on ANY roads aside from two hours between the city and the valley at rush hour. I drive a Vespa specifically to get through all that crap and even lane splitting can't get me places faster some times. THE POINT is being late is ok as long as you call to notify.

>

>Wrong again. The phone needs to be off during a session.

>There is nothing so earth shattering that can't wait until the

>hour is up.

>

Funny, my grandfather had a heart attack during the middle of an appointment. He soon died shortly afterward. If I hadn't got up and excused myself (and told the client our next meeting would be severely discounted) I would never have gotten to say goodbye. Stuff happens. When something is an emergency, you'll know it or just feel it.

 

>If it doesn't get hard, what's the point?

 

Some people can still have fun. Many tops don't necessarily use that side. Granted, if you're hiring the escort to top then I agree, what's the point.

 

>>now for the TEN CLIENT COMMANDMENTS:

>>

>>I. Thou shalt have good hygeine

>>II. Thou shalt be on time

>>III. To thine own self keep thy hands and be discreet in

>>public places

>>IV. Thou shalt not attempt to milk every last drop

>>figuratively and literally

>>V. Thou shalt not call me outside of NORMAL hours

>>VI. Thou shalt cancel or notify as soon as a problem arises

>>VII. Thou shalt have the money on the table and/or visible

>and

>>available.

>>VIII. Mine dick after an orgasm is sensitive, please don’t

>>think its name is Bessie.

>>IX. The phrases “no” and “I’m not into that” MEAN what they

>>say.

>>X. Thou shalt understand before and respect the rates

>after

>>without attempts to bargain.

>>

 

>If clients have a set of rules, then escorts should too.

 

Oh, I more than agree. Just make them as reasonable and fair as the ones we've been discussing.

[SAdler]

>God knows prostitution isn't breaking any social decency

>rules!

 

In Russia, prostitutes are practically socialites. In parts of Europe where legalization exists there is absolutely no taboo about it. It's the world's oldest profession.

 

Not saying it's LEGAL in America and of course it's socially taboo but it's got theory behind it.

 

Social decency is about interaction, not profession.

[ErikMcAlister]

Oh, bless you, Scott, for being so amusingly full of shit!

[JT Brooklyn]

Beware..You definitely have said it for me. Anyone who has read the Reviews..Has Noticed "Rates" are According to City.."Hiring" is According to the Clients Budget!(OR IT SHOULD BE)..LOL :+

[noviceny]

i realized that my post had little to do with this topic so I deleted it.

[augustman]

Erik:

Did you have a response to the original thought of minimum requirements of escort or client, other than an Adler commentary? I ask because I do believe these types of discussions go a long way towards improving client/escort meetings. What things are important to you?

[Barry]

>Posting someone's first name is OK now?

>Scott claiming to have been involved in escorting as a minor

>(he's not 21 yet & has done this for 4 years) is OK now?

>Wasn't there some big meltdown not that long ago out of

>concerns about legal issues? Is Scott trying to ruin the

>site? I'll be issuing an alert now.

 

Thanx....got the alert.

 

As for first names, I have never considered them a violation of the rules. The first time someone referred to HooBoy as Michael, he didn't edit it out. In fact he thought all the fuss that followed was funny.

 

As for an adult stating he did something illegal as a minor doesn't seem to be a problem from my POV but I'll defer to the powers that be on that one.

 

Barry

[KY_TOP]

>

>That's true. Do you know what it's like to have someone email

>you and say, "I want it to be just like in Reviews # 13 and

>22." :o

 

OK, I admit, you "made me look" at Reviews #13 and 22. 13 was pretty lame, shouldn't be hard to exceed that one at all. But tied up and torture tickling the client in 22 :o Do you do repeat that one often?

[KY_TOP]

>I don't think we differed so much at all .... ESPECIALLY there

>

 

I should have clarified myself better. I didn't mean I was comparing yours and Bobby's list as much as I was trying to state that "some" of yours and Bobby's "DON'TS" are other Escorts "DO's". I added a few examples to try to point that out, and thought it would be cool to see other Escort's Do and Don't list.

 

>I'm not saying it's forbidden. But like you say, discreet

>pinch on the ass and a lick in a dark room. Both of those he

>initiated and were done without the whole world seeing. I've

>had clients try to make out with me in a bar, grab my ass

>visibly, put their arm around me or even hold my hand walking

>down third street -- a generally straight venue. Leave it to

>them, but discretion is always a must. Anna Nicole complex

>runs rampant and people don't need the wrong ideas.

 

I merely was pointing out one example were an Escort initiated public contact. I have hired over 70 Escorts in the past 4 years. Most of my encounters are for 2 hours so we obviously never leave the hotel. But I have done several overnights and repeats with dinner included. I have had Escort's kiss me on a public street, hold my hand, make contact with me in a bar (gay of course) and one even put their barefoot into my crotch under a table clothed dinner table during dinner. They initiated the contact each time. I was not offended, just the opposite, I felt they were confortable with me and being with me in public. Do I expect this of every Escort or initaite the contact? No, but I still find it to be a gesture of being confortable, being with me in public. (Note: I am in no way criticizing your list, just pointing out my differing experiences with Escorts)

 

>Yeah. Ow indeed. Again. It's just as much our fault if we

>dont stop it.

 

I love a good kisser and a sensual "dance" is always fun. But I have had many Escorts that aggressively kiss and have their tongue halfway down my throat almost as soon as we get started.I also find that to be a turn-on. May I point out that I have meet Bobby Thompson, more than once, and would highly recommend him to anyone and hope to see him again soon on my return to California early next month. Kisses :+

 

>>>> Likewise, if you're not into something,

>something should be said about it rather than holding grudges.

> (I really hope someone reads that line ::MUAH:: you know who

>you are)

 

I am assuming the "grudges" comment is not intended for me. If it is, I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.????