Muscleaddict333 Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 This guys been a conartist forever it seems! Please be careful men! builder boy and Rodrigo Suarez 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muslnicknj Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 One time I got ripped off giving a guy $100 prior to our session. This was someone I had been with several times prior so there was a level of trust. It was a freezing cold winter day and we planned to meet on the street because he was using someone else’s apartment. When he arrived he asked for $100 (of the $300 fee) so he could pay the guy whose apartment we were using. He said he was going around the corner to pay him and would be back in 5. He never came back. I stood out in the cold for about a half hour calling him but he didn’t pick up. I felt like such a sucker and was genuinely hurt because I really liked the guy and had enjoyed our previous sessions. So yeah @builder boy, it can happen to anyone. builder boy, Chidude and musclestuduws 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali Gator Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 As a side note, how many times have many of us been in this position with other professions - such as house painters, roofers, contractors, etc. in which we give them a hefty deposit and this happens ? They show up to our home on the first day (if we're lucky) drop a few old tools off and maybe some paint, and then take off - never to be seen again ? My experience - 2 summers ago a hot young guy in his 20s was going door to door in my neighborhood offering to wash windows. My windows were in dire need of a good washing on the outside, so I agreed to a price with this young flirty Adonis ; $300 for 15 windows. I supplied the ladder, rags, squeegee and Windex for him (I didn't mind) and he was to do the labor and supply his handsome face and killer smile. I gave him half the money ($150) up front. First thing he did once he got on the ladder was take his tee shirt off, to expose his beautiful body while I was inside watching him. (Boy, did he know how to play me.) After the third window, he told me he was going to a nearby Starbucks to grab something to drink - even asked me if I wanted something there to bring back (I declined). Needless to say, he put his shirt back on, jumped on his bike and I never saw him again. So I paid $150 for three outside windows to be washed and a semi-strip show where I stared at his chest and treasure trail for about thirty minutes. Never got his phone number (as if it would matter) and barely got his name (I think it was Sherman). Luv2play, muslnicknj, musclestuduws and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muslnicknj Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 12 minutes ago, Ali Gator said: As a side note, how many times have many of us been in this position with other professions - such as house painters, roofers, contractors, etc. in which we give them a hefty deposit and this happens ? They show up to our home on the first day (if we're lucky) drop a few old tools off and maybe some paint, and then take off - never to be seen again ? My experience - 2 summers ago a hot young guy in his 20s was going door to door in my neighborhood offering to wash windows. My windows were in dire need of a good washing on the outside, so I agreed to a price with this young flirty Adonis ; $300 for 15 windows. I supplied the ladder, rags, squeegee and Windex for him (I didn't mind) and he was to do the labor and supply his handsome face and killer smile. I gave him half the money ($150) up front. First thing he did once he got on the ladder was take his tee shirt off, to expose his beautiful body while I was inside watching him. (Boy, did he know how to play me.) After the third window, he told me he was going to a nearby Starbucks to grab something to drink - even asked me if I wanted something there to bring back (I declined). Needless to say, he put his shirt back on, jumped on his bike and I never saw him again. So I paid $150 for three outside windows to be washed and a semi-strip show where I stared at his chest and treasure trail for about thirty minutes. Never got his phone number (as if it would matter) and barely got his name (I think it was Sherman). It’s easy to get played by a pretty face (and a hot body) 😉 Ali Gator and musclestuduws 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc in Calif Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 12 minutes ago, Ali Gator said: As a side note, how many times have many of us been in this position with other professions - such as house painters, roofers, contractors, etc. in which we give them a hefty deposit and this happens? That's why I always choose licensed (and bonded, if possible) contractors for plumbing, locksmithing, and electrical work. musclestuduws, builder boy and Whatsupandstuff 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builder boy Posted January 3, 2023 Author Share Posted January 3, 2023 I have to say I knew of his reputation, but we had talked so extensively prior and with such a fun packed NE itinerary I really never thought this was going fo be a possibility… He has 2 negative reviews currently in Rentmen and the reviewers told me of similar experiences, but I just felt confident in the situation. Tell tale signs did start coming up, a Rentmen Ad with same dates as our time together, not meeting at the Airport prior to boarding the same flight and not waiting at the Gate upon arrival, but rather meeting at baggage. A 6 hour nap first day which resulted in first dinner reservation being missed then of him skipping out on a late nite table at a Lounge and simply packing up and “meeting up with friends” elsewhere. Obviously I took a chance and got burnt. Hopefully this will warn others. He laughing said at one point he has so much business he likes to “pump and dump” Well the thing that occurred was the “dump” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 Did he ever meet you prior to going to the airport or did he know what you looked like before then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coriolis888 Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 43 minutes ago, builder boy said: I have to say I knew of his reputation, but we had talked so extensively prior and with such a fun packed NE itinerary I really never thought this was going to be a possibility… Something I learned a while back is that a leopard cannot change his spots, as the expression goes. However, some are quite clever at covering the spots for brief periods to get what they want. MscleLovr and builder boy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builder boy Posted January 3, 2023 Author Share Posted January 3, 2023 19 minutes ago, Lazarus said: Did he ever meet you prior to going to the airport or did he know what you looked like before then? He knew what I looked like, but I picked him up the baggage carousel. I just expected him to hang back and wait on me, but several things were different for this trip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robberbaron4u Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 Read the fine print. Money paid is for companionship only; his defense being that you had his companionship, billed at hourly rate, for a period of time equal to the amount of the deposit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builder boy Posted January 3, 2023 Author Share Posted January 3, 2023 41 minutes ago, robberbaron4u said: Read the fine print. Money paid is for companionship only; his defense being that you had his companionship, billed at hourly rate, for a period of time equal to the amount of the deposit. Oh my fault I wasn’t aware you were privy to the arrangements we had made. But in fact you are incorrect ….. He was ti be there for three days and left after 11 hours, which included a 6 plus hour nap ….. So there was 0 companionship involved, which if you read the account you would have known this. The ONLY companionship was the Cab Ride to the Hotel, maybe that warrants 2k to you. So thank you for your opinion, but you are very sadly mistaken. muslnicknj, Chidude, Rodrigo Suarez and 2 others 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robberbaron4u Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 47 minutes ago, builder boy said: Oh my fault I wasn’t aware you were privy to the arrangements we had made. But in fact you are incorrect ….. He was ti be there for three days and left after 11 hours, which included a 6 plus hour nap ….. So there was 0 companionship involved, which if you read the account you would have known this. The ONLY companionship was the Cab Ride to the Hotel, maybe that warrants 2k to you. So thank you for your opinion, but you are very sadly mistaken. Humour, my good man, humour. My remark was offered with good humour. Life, even in a bad experience, should be marinated with humour as the marinate cuts the bitter taste of the thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builder boy Posted January 3, 2023 Author Share Posted January 3, 2023 20 minutes ago, robberbaron4u said: Humour, my good man, humour. My remark was offered with good humour. Life, even in a bad experience, should be marinated with humour as the marinate cuts the bitter taste of the thing. Well it’s a bit hard to find that when prepaid Dinners and Concerts were missed as well and a Holiday Weekend and such, but I will do my best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robberbaron4u Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, builder boy said: Well it’s a bit hard to find that when prepaid Dinners and Concerts were missed as well and a Holiday Weekend and such, but I will do my best. Please believe me in that I am sympathetic to you in your situation. However, it is a lesson learned: the nature of the business invites deception and deceit. And, too, always have a "back-up" plan in place that serves your need and not that of the escort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builder boy Posted January 3, 2023 Author Share Posted January 3, 2023 1 minute ago, robberbaron4u said: Please believe me in that I am sympathetic to you in your situation. However, it is a lesson learned: the nature of the business invites deception and deceit. And, too, always have a "back-up" plan in place that serves your need and not that of the escort. Well while this all rings true it was New Years Eve Weekend, and a “backup” isn’t always that easy to find on a moments notice that would want to spend the weekend with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MscleLovr Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 I’m sorry to read that you were so very badly treated @builder boy From reading your posts over the years, I know that you’re one of the ‘good guys’ here. My experience over the years is that you have to be VERY clear on extended dates as to your expectations - what you enjoy, what you want to do/have done to you, scheduling play-times and the frequency of play. I’ve only been disappointed once: it was a long weekend with a muscleboy I’d topped a few times. On the third day, after a great night out and terrific sex in bed, he revealed he suffered depression. That meant we had a dull and chaste (no-sex) last day together. I feel the key to a successful extended date is that BEFORE going on the extended date, you have several short sessions (where you establish sexual compatibility) and at least one overnight date (where you test his skills as a companion, discuss various topics and gain insight into his personality and character) . Luv2play and musclestuduws 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builder boy Posted January 3, 2023 Author Share Posted January 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, MscleLovr said: I’m sorry to read that you were so very badly treated @builder boy From reading your posts over the years, I know that you’re one of the ‘good guys’ here. My experience over the years is that you have to be VERY clear on extended dates as to your expectations - what you enjoy, what you want to do/have done to you, scheduling play-times and the frequency of play. I’ve only been disappointed once: it was a long weekend with a muscleboy I’d topped a few times. On the third day, after a great night out and terrific sex in bed, he revealed he suffered depression. That meant we had a dull and chaste (no-sex) last day together. I feel the key to a successful extended date is that BEFORE going on the extended date, you have several short sessions (where you establish sexual compatibility) and at least one overnight date (where you test his skills as a companion, discuss various topics and gain insight into his personality and character) . I appreciate your kind words and must say I agree. I have always only done weekends and or overnights and yes it’s helpful to have that chemistry prior to a trip, but that being said he lives in a warm weather climate and this location seemed a better fit. Further, we have know of each from the past and with so many conversations leading into the weekend I was not overly concerned….Well, we see where that got me, obviously not every guy out there is of this ilk, I clearly made a bad decision, and hopefully this will be of assistance to others. musclestuduws and MscleLovr 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MscleLovr Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 You’ve reacted better than I would have done @builder boy And I suspect you’re more easy-going than I would have been on such a long weekend. I would NEVER have allowed him to take a 6 hour nap and miss dinner. When I travelled with a muscleboy, I’d ALWAYS suggest a shower on arrival at the hotel. Then I’d want us to “break in” the hotel bed and “get fully reacquainted” straightaway. This had several benefits - it made sure we were both on the same page, it took care of my erection and the exercise gave me a good appetite for dinner. I always treated the muscleboy, aka my travel companion, politely and generously. But I remembered that it was work for him. It was important for me that my pleasure and his paid work meshed well together. builder boy and Luv2play 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Jenkins Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 9 minutes ago, MscleLovr said: I feel the key to a successful extended date is that BEFORE going on the extended date, you have several short sessions (where you establish sexual compatibility) and at least one overnight date (where you test his skills as a companion, discuss various topics and gain insight into his personality and character) . I was just about to write this. I won't even do an overnight with someone I haven't had at least 1 hour with. I HAVE to feel safe in their presence and know that they are trustworthy. I vet HEAVILY. And, this has turned SOME providers off. I am on that list that says I am a 'time waster, etc.' but I don't care. If it's more than an HOUR, I am going to get to know you. Intimate, alone time is not something to play with. It can easily be AMAZING or turn BAD! The overnights I've experienced have been AMAZING!!! coriolis888 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Jenkins Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 11 minutes ago, MscleLovr said: I remembered that it was work for him. It was important for me that my pleasure and his paid work meshed well together. Oh goodness, this reminds me of an overnight experience I had. Hired this MUSCLE BEAST for an hour in Vegas one year. We had a good time. I mentioned to him that at some point, I would love to do an overnight if our schedules ever aligned. Keep in mind, this guy is supposedly completely straight and ONLY does this for the $$$. (He's out of the biz now) Fast forward to a year-ish later. He informs me he will be traveling through my area and would love to 'crash' at my place because hotels are RIDICULOUS here, and he informs me he will give me a great discount on an overnight - and he did. I made it VERY CLEAR of the timeline I expected: - Sex upon arrival - Take him out to dinner - Concert (surprised him by taking him backstage to one of his fave artists where we hung with them all night, he was in HEAVEN) - Sex when we got back home - Sex when we woke up - Breakfast - His departure So, he KNEW ALL OF THIS and said 'yep, sounds great.' I am a TOP by the way. When we woke up, I started to initiate sex. He told me 'he wasn't really feeling it this morning.' I asked him if he just wasn't feeling it or if he was sick. He told me he just wasn't feeling it. In a very friendly manner, I said 'I like you. You are VERY hot and we have a GREAT time together. However, we both know what this is - it's a business relationship. We aren't dating, we aren't really friends although we are friendly with each other. If you don't want to finish our meeting by doing what was agreed, how do you think we should handle this?' He replied 'Well, I guess we can half the payment, but I would really like to keep the payment the same.' To which I replied 'well, if we keep the payment the same, I think you need to keep the arrangement the same.' Then, I said something that seemed to CLICK IN HIS FARMBOY HEAD (grew up with very hardworking parents and has a work ethic background." I said 'I get you're not feeling it, but you ARE on the job.' His reply, 'YesSir, you're right! I'll grab a shower and clean up.' We had great sex and have continued to stay in touch. musclestuduws, MmM, MscleLovr and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coriolis888 Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 4 hours ago, robberbaron4u said: Read the fine print. Money paid is for companionship only; his defense being that you had his companionship, billed at hourly rate, for a period of time equal to the amount of the deposit. + azdr0710 and builder boy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builder boy Posted January 3, 2023 Author Share Posted January 3, 2023 Well hopefully others learn from my mistake musclestuduws 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muscleaddict333 Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 https://thegayrepublic.typepad.com/thegayrepublic/2017/05/dale-parducci-dale-parducci-goes-gay-4-pay-with-10-positive-escort-reviews-dirty-robbie-mason-robbiedoesit-o.html not sure how to post a link, but this is a good read about this scammer. musclestuduws and builder boy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builder boy Posted January 3, 2023 Author Share Posted January 3, 2023 (edited) Well clearly things haven’t changed too much in the last several years… Edited January 4, 2023 by builder boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chidude Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 I’m so sorry that happened @builder boy I, too, took a chance on this same guy despite having read previous reviews. I was in Fort Lauderdale in November and arranged a private. He agreed to come to my Airbnb from his Miami base. We texted for several days, he even sent me unprompted physique progress videos and he appeared to be proactive in confirming time and venue of meet. However, he ignored all texts in the hours leading up to the meet time and I never heard from him again. Luckily, I didn’t pay a deposit and I had low expectations given his reputation. But it surprised me after he seemed so diligent and trustworthy in the preceding text exchanges. In addition to being a con artist, I wonder if he is just a sadistic jackass who enjoys leading on gay men? He made zero money off of me, yet put so much effort into organizing a meet with me. It was pretty bizarre. musclestuduws 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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