Is this a proper question?

[Troyster]

When you are speaking to an escort before booking him either on the phone or via IMs/emails is it proper to too gauche to ask "Will you cum for me?" I really like to see a guy cum but it seems awkward to ask such a question.

[Rick Munroe]

>is it proper to too gauche to

>ask "Will you cum for me?" I really like to see a guy cum

 

I think it's way better to just state that you really like to see guys cum...it's indirect but you make your point just the same time. Works for me!

[seeker630]

I *really* like to see guys cum! }(

[Rick Munroe]

>I *really* like to see guys cum! }(

 

See, that was easy. Now...do you like to see two guys cum at the same time? ;-)

[seeker630]

check your email for the answerr:9

[Pelican1]

I think it's perfectly appropriate to ask, just as you might ask about other specifics of the encounter before agreeing to meet with an escort. I'm with you...I love to see a guy cum. I've had two experiences with escorts -- one in which the guy did not cum, and the other in which the escort did cum. What a huge difference it made. After being with an escort who came, I will never go back to one who won't at least give it his best shot.

[Pelican1]

After writing the previous reply, I realized that perhaps I did so mistakenly. I am not an escort, and I'm not sure that I should have replied here. I apologize if this was inappropriate.

[Bilbo]

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The point has been made before - There are certain questions which are acceptible alone, but not in the same conversation during which you mention the fee. And absolutely don't ask "So for XX amount of money, you will cum for me?"

[Troyster]

Not sure where you emailed it but I never got an email -- may be the system things it was junk?

[seeker630]

Sorry - the reply was to Rick's post

[guptasa1]

This is really tricky. I too never know what's "safe" to bring up. For example, I just made arrangements with someone (it's all set as far as I know - gonna call and hopefully confirm tomorrow), and in a separate e-mail told him basically everything I was open to (without requests in particular or any mention of the fee), and now I'm a little worried it may have freaked him out since I haven't heard from him since (but it's equally possible he's just been too busy to respond and since everything's set just didn't get to it). But yeah, ya never know.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

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I agree with Bilbo... Don't ask "X for Y" in relation to things~

 

However, i would think it would be mandatory when seeing an escort for him to climax/cum. It's the ultimate finale and really makes the experience that much hotter. To me, it's also included in the price of admission. If i'm going to have some fun with someone, i'm also going to be damn well sure we both get off. Anything less is not only unprofessional, but IMO, a ripoff as well...

 

Would i be the only one who's getting tired of hearing stories about escorts who have too many clauses in sexual performance? While 'not cumming' seems to be the tip-top in my book of BS, i also laugh hysterically at those who demand a condom on for oral pleasures. This IS still a sex-based industry, is it not?

 

Oh yeah. The taste of latex is a REAL turn-on for me

 

Call me old-fashioned, but if you're going to hire an escort, than you should expect nothing less than a full experience. End of story.

 

 

Warmest Always,

 

 

 

Benjamin Nicholas

[Bilbo]

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1. I agree with you about escorts cumming. But remember we also review erotic masseurs here, and it shouldn't, IMHO, be necessarily expected that they will.

 

2. My Mother gave me a gift when I was born. An inheritable gum disease. She also gave me many other, more wonderful gifts. But this one does mean that, while I don't always insist on condoms for oral sex, I always feel like I should have.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

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Well Bilbo, in your case you've opted to be honest and certain precautions may need to be taken in that event~

 

As for masseurs, they're a whole other ballgame in comparison to escorts, so i agree that they don't have to live up to the same standard. I do, however, feel that any escort worth his (or her) weight in gold will make sure everyone (including himself) is taken care of by the end of a meeting.

 

Nothing worse than heading out the door with blue-balls

 

 

Warmest Always,

 

 

 

Benjamin Nicholas

[Rick Munroe]

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> However, i would think it would be mandatory when seeing an

>escort for him to climax/cum. It's the ultimate finale and

>really makes the experience that much hotter. To me, it's

>also included in the price of admission. If i'm going to have

>some fun with someone, i'm also going to be damn well sure we

>both get off. Anything less is not only unprofessional, but

>IMO, a ripoff as well...

 

That is absolutely ridiculous. Go ahead and make that your own personal rule but to say that any escort who doesn't cum is an unprofessional ripoff just comes across as competitive sniping ("I always cum so I'm better than those who don't!"). Is that really necessary? In any sexual situation, whether I'm just with my boyfriend or with anyone else, I never make it a rule to cum because I still remember Ms. Hutchins, my high school Sex Ed teacher, telling us that the real pleasure can be just getting there ("The means is an end in itself"). Of course I love to have an orgasm, I usually do and it feels fucking great and I love to make my partner(s) shoot, but I've found that the most unrewarding sex for everyone involved comes from either person desperately trying to cum in an allotted amount of time. Pressure and sex do not go hand in hand (unless we're talking about gentle pressure from a lubed hand, but that's a different story). Personally, I never feel the need to compare myself to other escorts and say that what I do is good and what they do is a "ripoff," but I guess you and I just have different approaches to this business and to sex in general.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

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You misunderstood me Rick...

 

I was merely focusing on those escorts out there who are uninterested when it comes to an orgasm (for either party). I do feel it's somewhat of a ripoff if a guy is expecting their escort to climax and the escort can't, doesn't want to or is totally uninterested in the sex aspect at all. Wouldn't you agree?

 

Call it 'competitive sniping' if you must, but in context i was just expressing my opinion without any specific mal-intent. At no time did i equate time constraints with achieving an orgasm. I don't like jackrabbit sex either and prolonging the pleasure is primo in my book.

 

The orgasm is simply the icing on the cake

 

 

Warmest Always,

 

 

Benjamin Nicholas

[Rick Munroe]

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>Would i be the only one who's getting tired of hearing stories

>about escorts who have too many clauses in sexual performance?

 

If you're not a client, why would it matter to you how other escorts run their businesses?

 

>i also laugh hysterically at those who demand a condom on for

>oral pleasures.

 

Why do you find it funny that some people would want to play as safe as possible? I don't require guys (or myself) to wear a condom for oral, but some clients prefer it that way, and I would never "laugh hysterically" at anyone's desire to be extra cautious in protecting their health and those of their loved ones. Do you laugh at clients who demand that things be extra-safe, or do you only prefer to laugh at other escorts?

 

>Call me old-fashioned, but if you're going to hire an escort,

>than you should expect nothing less than a full experience.

 

What if the "full experience" to some clients means barebacking and shooting their load inside of you? Are you going to let them do that because it's a "sex-based industry" and you owe them "nothing less"? Or do you have certain "clauses" and requirements for what you will and won't do? Which is it? I'm not trying to give you a hard time here and this is not a personal attack; it is your statements that I question.

[Rick Munroe]

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>I

>do feel it's somewhat of a ripoff if a guy is expecting their

>escort to climax and the escort can't, doesn't want to or is

>totally uninterested in the sex aspect at all. Wouldn't you

>agree?

 

Sure, if that is what the client expects or requires, but that wasn't what you said. You said, "i would think it would be mandatory when seeing an escort for him to climax/cum...Anything less is not only unprofessional, but IMO, a ripoff..." What you're saying now is very different, and yes, I do agree.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

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Rick... This is a no-win conversation. Either way, i'm going to take it in the chops for whatever is deemed unsavory~

 

Let's just leave it at this (from my perspective): My main point was more critical of escorts who do the very minimum to keep their clients happy. I'm not condoning unsafe-sex practices, jackrabbit cum-a-thons or compromising myself, dangerously, to make someone else happy. You should know better than to use barebacking as an example in refference to me. THAT was a low-blow IMO.

 

As for using a condom when blowing someone... I'm talking moreso to the gay-4-pay escorts/strippers out there who would rather self-install a catheter than go down on another guy. In hindsight, i should have been more specific. Rick... 20, Benjamin... Love.

 

I guess it stands now that we agree to disagree. Such is the wonder of posting here on the MC. In the future, i'll be more judicious with my choice of words... Or simply post on fluffier topics

 

Warmest Always,

 

 

 

Benjamin Nicholas

[Rick Munroe]

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>You should know

>better than to use barebacking as an example in refference to

>me.

 

Why should I know better? I honestly don't know anything about you or what you do, and besides, my post was in reference to clients who bareback, not to you. My point was that you said you were "tired of hearing stories about escorts who have too many clauses in sexual performance," and yet by refusing to do certain acts such as barebacking (which I also refuse to do), you yourself also have "clauses" and restrictions. That's all.

 

>In hindsight, i should have been more specific.

 

That would have helped.

 

>I guess it stands now that we agree to disagree.

 

I'm not sure what you're talking about because we don't disagree. You made some statements, I disagreed and questioned them, and you responded by saying that I misunderstood because what you wrote was not what you meant to say. I can't argue or disagree with that.

[Guest rohale]

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I normally avoid other peoples antics, but then for once I really don't care. I agree with Benjamin, If we can agree to disagree, then no ones feelings get hurt. We're supposed to be grown adults, so there is really no point in bickering. From a humerous point of view

we'd be doing Don Ameche a great misdeed. A British Actor by the name of Tom Baker once said " Why Can't People Be Nice To Another ". Now with that said, let the good times roll.

 

Rohale

[Rick Munroe]

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>We're supposed to be

>grown adults, so there is really no point in bickering.

 

Right, we're grown adults, and adults should be able to have intelligent debate and discourse. To me, this board works best when we express opinions and learn from each other, even when it gets heated, without resorting to personal attacks. I didn't see any "bickering" and I'm sorry if it appeared that way. I like Benjamin and meant no ill will. But that doesn't mean I'm not going to speak up when I disagree with something he says. I know Bush is president but I think we still have some free speech rights.

[Guest rohale]

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>Right, we're grown adults, and adults should be able to have

>intelligent debate and discourse. To me, this board works

>best when we express opinions and learn from each other, even

>when it gets heated, without resorting to personal attacks. I

>didn't see any "bickering" and I'm sorry if it appeared that

>way. I like Benjamin and meant no ill will. But that doesn't

>mean I'm not going to speak up when I disagree with something

>he says. I know Bush is president but I think we still have

>some free speech rights.

 

 

No, you should never have to apologise. To me it felt like bickering. Afterall everything is subject to interpretation depending on which way a person sees things. It's life and that's just the way it is. Still as you pointed as long as it doesn't resort to personal attacks, then no harm done. I'll end it on that note.

 

Rohale

[Rick Munroe]

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>To me it felt like

>bickering. Afterall everything is subject to interpretation

>depending on which way a person sees things.

 

That's always the trouble with emails, posts and most internet communication: our words can easily be misinterpreted (look how I misconstrued what Benjamin meant to say) and emotion that isn't meant to be there can be attached to our words by the reader. As for apologizing, I never have a problem with it, because I hate to hurt anyone's feelings or make anyone feel bad...even if I do think I was right.

[Guest manreadyokc]

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Rick, I think this exchange between you and BN has been terrific . . . and doesn't appear to me as mindless bickering at all. In my opinion, though, your comments are right on target . . . like a torpedo, in fact. I think people need to be a little reluctant to use their own arbitrary standards as a barometer for judging others in ANY circumstance. Nothing good ever seems to come of it, in my experience.