"I'm sorry, but you have asked me the wrong question."

[Guest jwraustin]

You be the judge. I received this call tonight, and it didn't feel right.

 

Client: Is this Jon Dean?

Jon Dean: Yes, this is Jon Dean.

C: This is xxxxx.

JD: Hey xxxx, what's up?

C: Just hanging out. We talked two or three months ago. Remember me?

JD: I'm sorry. If we talked only once, I don't remember. I talk to a lot of people.

C: Oh! Well anyway, I was wondering about your services.

JD: What can I do for you?

C: I have been using this other escort, and he charges me different prices for different things he does with me.

JD: Like what do you mean?

C: He charges like off a menu of things he does? It starts at $150 and goes up, depending on what we do together.

JD: Oh. I see. Like different prices?

C: Yeah, like for a blow job, it's xxx, and for anal, he charges xxx more....

JD: Oh, I see what you mean.

C: And I was wondering if you have a different fee for different things you do like that.

JD: (Thinking: This doesn't sound right...something's odd here.) I don't seem to understand what you are asking?

C: I mean, do you charge more for giving head, or letting me fuck you, or do you charge just a standard fee for all that. What is your fee for all that.

JD: I am sorry, xxxx, but you have asked me the wrong question.

C: What do you mean.

JD: Like I said, you have asked me the wrong question.

C: Sorry, but I was just trying to get some prices.

JD: Is there something else I can do for you.

C: I guess I had better let you go. Sorry again.

JD: Thanks for calling.

C: Good night.

JD: Happy holidays.

 

 

Jon Dean

http://www.manfuck.net

[Boston Guy]

RE:

 

Good for you. It wouldn't have felt right to me, either. Visions of law enforcement and recording devices would spring immediately to mind. I think you handled it just right.

 

Happy New Year!

BG

[guptasa1]

RE:

 

As a client, I'm always paranoid I'm going to say something wrong setting things up and scare off an escort. LOL. (Though usually that's why I'm more comfortable with e-mail.) For example, with someone I've never seen, I like to ask about the escort's feelings about what he does, which could be construed as odd (I simply want to make sure they feel they'll enjoy the experience too and don't resent or dislike what they do).

 

But I agree that the conversation you've posted does indeed sound odd...like he was stringing you along for something, and it's probably dangerous to say something so explicitly specific over the phone.

 

It is possible he was just wondering about that and an awkward type of person who didn't phrase it well. I'm not sure if you have a website with those details on it or anything, but if you do, you might have referred him there? Or could that incriminate you too if he was indeed law enforcement?

 

I'm not sure what would happen if you said something like "My rate is for my time only, and it's a flat rate of $XXX."

 

Anyway, I guess it's better to play it safe than sorry. Just thinking out loud with the above.

[Trixie]

RE: Wrong Question

 

Well! This just goes to show how wonderful a fetish can be! I can discuss tickling with abandon, and not worry that it's illegal. In fact, I usually tell escorts that they can keep their shorts on, if they wish. Unless their balls are especially ticklish, of course!

Trix

[Guest TommyTam]

RE:

 

Hey Jon thanks to letting me know this, I sure will more becareful to filter phone call, it is so scary...I can't believe it happen in Austin, Texas. Hey you still own me a "BAM" is time for you to pay up! :+

Tommy Tam

Best Asian Escort in the State

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[Guest jeffOH]

RE:

 

Hey Jon,

 

It's best to do like you did and trust your instincts. Also, I don't allow a potential client get control of the conversation. Leading questions that are used to get you talking about sex and money... classic sting tactic. I had a similar conversation with a client in his motel room. I hadn't undressed and as soon as the questions started I told him I thought he was a cop and I left. It's not worth finding out for sure.

 

JEFF

jeff4men@hotmail.com

[guyinsf]

RE:

 

I'm not an escort but I'll chime in here anyway.

 

The conversation does sound strange, and it could have been part of a "sting" operation. From my perspective, however, it sounds like it could have simply been a naive, nervous client. If it was a legitimate caller, I wonder how the conversation would have gone had you responded differently, such as by attempting to lead the caller in another direction instead of acting confused and refusing to answer his questions. I am thinking about attempting to "flirt" with the caller (something like "What would you like to do together?"). Or, presuming you have some reviews here, asking if the caller had read them.

[Will]

RE:

 

If the guy was a nervous client, he could have asked you other kinds of questions. He didn't sound nervous, particularly because he said he used another escort already.

 

Sounds like a sting or a crazy. Either way, you did the right thing.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Leading Questions

 

It is an unusual way for the client to start the conversation; however, my limited experience (I have tried it a few times in Los Angeles but only a few) with newspaper advertising is that clients ask an usual number of things over the telephone, any number of which could potentially be used in a criminal investigation. Some clients are nervous, even if they have hired before, and I always try to give them the benefit of the doubt. However, I think Jeff hit the nail on the head here: if you have any internal doubts or concerns, you are better off passing on the calls, as you did.

[Bilbo]

RE: Jeff's answer

 

I, too, had a client start asking such clients in a motel room once. (Do not patronize La Quinta, por favor.) I was silly enough to answer him and he arrested me.

[Guest jwraustin]

RE: Jeff's answer

 

For that very reason, I do not do out calls to anything that has motel in it's name. I usually stick to the top 5 hotels here. I never really felt comfortable in a motel. I also collect at the end, not up front. Just my way of doing things.

 

Jon Dean

http://www.manfuck.net

[+ deej]

RE: Jeff's answer

 

> (Do not patronize La Quinta, por favor.)

 

That would be the La Quinta Inns chain, yes?

 

I suspect the La Quinta Resort & Spa (a 5-star Marriott property) outside Palm Springs would be OK. ;-)

[Guest lookin4lust]

RE:

 

Speaking as a client, I think most people are aware that undercover cops bust prostitutes by asking prices for specific sex acts. (You see it in movies, and on TV.)For that reason I always make sure I never include sex and money together when I am contacting an escort.

 

I ask the escort what he charges for companionship for a specific block of time. And then I go on to say what I generally like to do when I am with another man. That way the escort can get back to me with an accurate rate for his time. And he can also let me know what he is not into.

[Bob]

RE: Questions?

 

Thank you for sharing this incident with us, Jon. The conversation definitely sounds suspect and you were wise to exerise caution. However, as a shy and nervous client I never know just what questions to ask. Everyone says COMMUNICATION is the key to a good hiring experience, but I find many escorts uninterested in discussing the nitty gritty and I end up with less than I hoped for. Do blunt questions turn you off or frighten you? How do I say I want a lusty top who will fuck me blind so as not to receive just another hand job?

[bluenix]

RE:

 

Or you've got a stalker, somebody who perhaps let an attraction turn into an obsession. Reminded me of this guy:

 

http://babydb.male4malescorts.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=7&topic_id=34637&mesg_id=34637&listing_type=search

[woodlawn]

RE: Manfuck.net?

 

Has it ever occurred to you that the sort of questions you were asked might seem perfectly appropriate for someone whose Web address is "manfuck.net"? What do you suppose an address like that communicates to people -- that you're a commodities broker? Get real.

[Bilbo]

RE: Jeff's answer

 

JWR - Did you somehow get the idea that I collected up front? If so, I regret that I gave you that impression because I never have. The man said he wasn't comfortable with the idea of getting fucked, was that alright. Of course. So, it's OK that we only have oral sex? Of course. And that would be the same fee as both? Yes. Wham. I had agreed to having oral sex for pay. We didn't have to have the sex nor have the money exchange hands. Don't ask me why he didn't arrest me as soon as I walked into the door because I had already agreed to the same things over the phone and then showed up which could have been taken as a confirmation. I do wonder about that sometimes myself.

 

I wonder if anyone will take exception to your feeling about motels in general? My only other problem over many years in being willing to go to them is once when I went to one I had thought to actually be a bit more upscale for a motel only to find that thee wasn't enough floor space for my table. If you can afford me, I'm not going to take it amiss that you can't afford a better place to meet me in. Just don't try taking me to McDonald's. Not when you can take me to Burger King or Jack in the Box for the same amount of money. Heheheh.

 

Deej - Yes, of course. I have had the unfortunate experience of visiting one and not the fortunate experience of visiting the other. So, while I can't recommend them on anything other than hearsay, I would look forward to going to the one in Palm Springs myself. And just passed up the other for crashing in tonight even though it was a bit closer to the party than the Super 8 in which we are sleeping it off.

[Bilbo]

RE: Manfuck.net?

 

Woody - You were in such a good mood for so long. And now you suddenly don't seem to be any more. Is there something wrong? Is it the holidays? Is there anything we can do to help you? - Perhaps I should have made this a private communication, but I have a nagging suspicion that I wouldn't be the right one of us to actually help you and there are a lot of us here who like you.

[woodlawn]

RE: Manfuck.net?

 

>Woody - You were in such a good mood for so long. And now you

>suddenly don't seem to be any more. Is there something wrong?

>Is it the holidays?

 

Bah. Humbug!

 

 

Is there anything we can do to help you? -

 

Yes. Go and see the author of this thread. Take with you a large hammer. When you arrive, smash his computer with the hammer so that he will no longer be able to post such drivel. Someone who invites people to visit him at "manfuck.net" is complaining about the indelicacy of a caller who questions him about what he charges for sex acts? Do you really not see how absurd that is?

 

[Bilbo]

RE: Manfuck.net?

 

I try to giggle at absurdity. Or, as an actor, to admire it if it's well done and hurts noone. I was right. I'm not the best one to help you in this particular adventure. Unfortunately, although I don't remember it happening, it seems that the escort who kicked in the client's speakers is dead now or I'd suggest him.

[Guest jwraustin]

RE: Manfuck.net?

 

Sometimes I need to make a post here on the website, just to remind myself of the reasons I do not contribute more to this website. It used to be a much nicer place, where we all could exchange ideas. I used to be a frequent visitor here, but the venom that spews forth is a big turn off for me, hence I rarely visit here anymore. I think its great for some people, but its just not my thing to get into confrontational discussions.

 

Woodlawn - I have never met you, never said anything to hurt your feelings, and if we did meet I would extend to you the same courtesy and respect I show for others. I apologize if my post offended you in some way, as that was not my intent. I do hope that your post is not a relfection of the kind of person you truly are, but rather you were just having a bad day.

 

Bilbo- I am sorry that you got the impression that I thought you collected up-front. I was just adding my two cents for what it was worth, and the reply was not directed at you, but just a re-interation as to my personal business practices. I truly sympathise with you on the unfortunate situation that you experienced.

 

Yes, I do own manfuck.net, but I am not stupid. As a long time escort (16 years), I trust my instincts, and when something isn't just right, I take a quick exit.

 

 

Happy New Year to everyone.

 

Jon Dean

http://www.manfuck.net

[woodlawn]

RE: Manfuck.net?

 

>It used to be a much nicer place, where we all could

>exchange ideas. I used to be a frequent visitor here, but the

>venom that spews forth is a big turn off for me, hence I

>rarely visit here anymore. I think its great for some people,

>but its just not my thing to get into confrontational

>discussions.

 

I've been around here at least as long as you have, and I can remember no time when posters didn't feel free to give their opinions on what others posted for good or ill. If you can't stand that sort of thing, a message board is definitely not where you should be spending your time. Let me remind you that you started this thread to communicate to the rest of us your opinion that the person who called you was at best indiscreet and at worst deceitful. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

 

 

>Woodlawn - I have never met you, never said anything to hurt

>your feelings, and if we did meet I would extend to you the

>same courtesy and respect I show for others. I apologize if my

>post offended you in some way, as that was not my intent. I

>do hope that your post is not a relfection of the kind of

>person you truly are, but rather you were just having a bad

>day.

 

 

My post is a reflection of the fact that absurdity always attracts my attention, just as loud noises or bright lights attract the attention of other people. Sometimes I find it amusing, as Bilbo suggests, and at other times it makes me wonder what goes on in the head of the person who creates it. Whether either of those reactions makes me the sort of person whom you approve of matters not at all to me. You're a hooker I've scarcely even heard of in some city I never visit, so why would I care?

 

 

>Yes, I do own manfuck.net, but I am not stupid.

 

You're not? Then it's rather odd that you are concerned about admitting that you're a prostitute over the phone when at the same time you are proclaiming it to the world in a website that is open 24 hours a day.

[Bilbo]

RE: Manfuck.net?

 

JWR - Thanks for the clarification. Not apology as none was needed. In the same spirit, I actually didn't find your original post absurd myself, but was just trying to raise Woody's spirits. Which attempt you seem to have shot to hell. }(

 

From, I hope, a future friend with 35 years of experience with the escorting industry, keep up the good work. "Love your hair, hope you win, mean it."

[Guest Merlin]

RE: Manfuck.net?

 

A few escorts will quote a fee, but during the session, keep trying to add on fees for specific things. Not much fun. Perhaps this guy had that experience and wanted to avoid it again.