wood problems

[VaHawk]

Well said, and I agree 100%! To me, to excuse a top escort's lack of getting it up and performing as contracted and then to recompense him in full for his failure to perform only encourages hustler behavior.

 

What do I mean by hustler behavior? Those who are "mainly tops" and who book multiple clients a day, knowing DAMN WELL that most of those clients are going to encounter the "limp dick experience", but who still expect to be paid in full.

 

A good escort, as some escorts on this thread have responded as such, will take a reduced fee or make other compensation.

 

And what is with the bs that the session is for "my time only". What a joke that is! How many of us would get fired if we showed up at work and didn't do our job, as after all the company is paying us just to show up.

 

Clients who are paying triple digits an hour for a 1 hour or 2 hour session are not paying for the pleasure of an escort's scintillating persona, and anyone who thinks otherwise needs to phone home to Earth.

 

IMO, I bet all clients have encountered this situation, and I bet very few walked away without paying the full hourly fee.

 

This is the type of situation where Jim's $30 an inch suggestion would definitely be appropriate. A limp 4" cock would mean only a $120 fee, not a hard 8" cock fee of $240. ;(

[Guest BenAJ]

Viagra isn't an aphrodisiac so it won't give you an hard-on if your just not feelin it. It makes it more condusive...but again the escort has to be excited.

 

There are many factors that can contribute to no wood....if he's tired...if he hasn't slept...thre are just too numerous to name.

 

People always say just pop a viagra but Viagra isn't the answer to every sexual problem

 

but it sure helps sometimes... ;-)

[Guest BenAJ]

Viagra isn't an aphrodisiac so it won't give you an hard-on if your just not feelin it. It makes it more condusive...but again the escort has to be excited.

 

There are many factors that can contribute to no wood....if he's tired...if he hasn't slept...thre are just too numerous to name.

 

People always say just pop a viagra but Viagra isn't the answer to every sexual problem

 

but it sure helps sometimes... ;-)

[guptasa1]

>And what is with the bs that the session is for "my time only". >What a joke that is! How many of us would get fired if we showed up >at work and didn't do our job, as after all the company is paying >us just to show up.

 

When you apply for a job, though, you don't tell the employer "Just so you know, you're paying me for time only - anything else I do is a choice I make and completely voluntarily." (Well, you could, but I heavily doubt you'd be hired.) A lot of escorts (though probably not all) say just that somewhere (on a website, etc.) - this review site even says that in many places. And by hiring them, you accept that agreement.

 

Frankly, I even like this policy. If I were with an escort and knew he didn't want to or couldn't perform, I personally wouldn't be comfortable nor have any desire to force it. That's not to say similarly I wouldn't want him to at least make it right as best he could.

 

Like I said, if you hire an escort and they either can't or refuse to perform, obviously it's a major bummer, because the reality is you ARE generally hiring them for more than non-sexual companionship. And I think most good escorts who would run into this problem would offer some sort of compensation - otherwise they won't be hired or will likely get a bad review if they're jerks about it.

 

Just my own personal opinion on the subject.

[guptasa1]

>And what is with the bs that the session is for "my time only". >What a joke that is! How many of us would get fired if we showed up >at work and didn't do our job, as after all the company is paying >us just to show up.

 

When you apply for a job, though, you don't tell the employer "Just so you know, you're paying me for time only - anything else I do is a choice I make and completely voluntarily." (Well, you could, but I heavily doubt you'd be hired.) A lot of escorts (though probably not all) say just that somewhere (on a website, etc.) - this review site even says that in many places. And by hiring them, you accept that agreement.

 

Frankly, I even like this policy. If I were with an escort and knew he didn't want to or couldn't perform, I personally wouldn't be comfortable nor have any desire to force it. That's not to say similarly I wouldn't want him to at least make it right as best he could.

 

Like I said, if you hire an escort and they either can't or refuse to perform, obviously it's a major bummer, because the reality is you ARE generally hiring them for more than non-sexual companionship. And I think most good escorts who would run into this problem would offer some sort of compensation - otherwise they won't be hired or will likely get a bad review if they're jerks about it.

 

Just my own personal opinion on the subject.

[kjun]

RE: Once Again, It Depends

 

Don't know you but don't think I'd want to be your friend either. You sound really selfish.

 

the Cajun

[kjun]

RE: Once Again, It Depends

 

Don't know you but don't think I'd want to be your friend either. You sound really selfish.

 

the Cajun

[VaHawk]

>When you apply for a job, though, you don't tell the employer

>"Just so you know, you're paying me for time only - anything

>else I do is a choice I make and completely voluntarily."

>(Well, you could, but I heavily doubt you'd be hired.) A lot

>of escorts (though probably not all) say just that somewhere

>(on a website, etc.) - this review site even says that in many

>places. And by hiring them, you accept that agreement.

 

You really are such a sweet guy, but even you couldn't be NAIVE enough to believe this sugar coated bull shit. Such a statement is made only as a futile attempt to avoid prosecution for prostitution, and would never hold up in any court of law as a protection for either the escort or the client.

 

Please take a straw vote of all the clients on this board who hire an escort and don't expect to have sex with that escort whether they are hiring by the hour (but especially these) or by the overnight or by the weekend or for a longer period. WHAT??? LOOK MA, NO HANDS!

 

>Frankly, I even like this policy.

 

This isn't a policy, it's just futile pseudo-legalese in a vain effort of protection - as my comments above stated.

 

>If I were with an escort

>and knew he didn't want to or couldn't perform, I personally

>wouldn't be comfortable nor have any desire to force it.

 

Well, please pardon me, but I know damn well I never mentioned force, nor do I believe anyone else did.

>

>Like I said, if you hire an escort and they either can't or

>refuse to perform, obviously it's a major bummer, because the

>reality is you ARE generally hiring them for more than

>non-sexual companionship.

 

Hey Guptasa, ala GT, please PHONE HOME! One or two hour sessions are DEFINITELY about sexual encounters. Only longer bookings are about non-sexual companionship and even those come with the expectation of some sexual encounters by BOTH the client and the escort. If you're willing settle for less, then you're are just being a doormat who has absolutely NO sense of self-esteem. x(

[VaHawk]

>When you apply for a job, though, you don't tell the employer

>"Just so you know, you're paying me for time only - anything

>else I do is a choice I make and completely voluntarily."

>(Well, you could, but I heavily doubt you'd be hired.) A lot

>of escorts (though probably not all) say just that somewhere

>(on a website, etc.) - this review site even says that in many

>places. And by hiring them, you accept that agreement.

 

You really are such a sweet guy, but even you couldn't be NAIVE enough to believe this sugar coated bull shit. Such a statement is made only as a futile attempt to avoid prosecution for prostitution, and would never hold up in any court of law as a protection for either the escort or the client.

 

Please take a straw vote of all the clients on this board who hire an escort and don't expect to have sex with that escort whether they are hiring by the hour (but especially these) or by the overnight or by the weekend or for a longer period. WHAT??? LOOK MA, NO HANDS!

 

>Frankly, I even like this policy.

 

This isn't a policy, it's just futile pseudo-legalese in a vain effort of protection - as my comments above stated.

 

>If I were with an escort

>and knew he didn't want to or couldn't perform, I personally

>wouldn't be comfortable nor have any desire to force it.

 

Well, please pardon me, but I know damn well I never mentioned force, nor do I believe anyone else did.

>

>Like I said, if you hire an escort and they either can't or

>refuse to perform, obviously it's a major bummer, because the

>reality is you ARE generally hiring them for more than

>non-sexual companionship.

 

Hey Guptasa, ala GT, please PHONE HOME! One or two hour sessions are DEFINITELY about sexual encounters. Only longer bookings are about non-sexual companionship and even those come with the expectation of some sexual encounters by BOTH the client and the escort. If you're willing settle for less, then you're are just being a doormat who has absolutely NO sense of self-esteem. x(

[guptasa1]

>You really are such a sweet guy, but even you couldn't be

>NAIVE enough to believe this sugar coated bull shit. Such a

>statement is made only as a futile attempt to avoid

>prosecution for prostitution, and would never hold up in any

>court of law as a protection for either the escort or the

>client.

 

I'll agree with you to a certain extent, but I also think some escorts also use it as a sort of escape clause. I've met with escorts (actually, just one who really emphasized it) who clearly stated before a meeting that if he wasn't comfortable with something, he could leave at any time (though we also agreed it would be only partial payment if that was the case) and that it only went where comfortable for him. It wasn't a problem at all (probably not someone I'd hire again, but for different reasons - he was a really nice guy).

 

>Please take a straw vote of all the clients on this board who

>hire an escort and don't expect to have sex with that escort

>whether they are hiring by the hour (but especially these) or

>by the overnight or by the weekend or for a longer period.

>WHAT??? LOOK MA, NO HANDS!

 

I'm certainly not saying the sex isn't expected. I'm also not saying a client should have to pay the full amount or complete the full session if the escort can't or won't perform. I'm just saying that in that situation, *I* probably would instead of raise trouble about it, especially if the escort did spend the entire amount of time with me and I felt he was trying.

 

>>If I were with an escort

>>and knew he didn't want to or couldn't perform, I personally

>>wouldn't be comfortable nor have any desire to force it.

>

>Well, please pardon me, but I know damn well I never mentioned

>force, nor do I believe anyone else did.

 

I didn't intend to imply that you did if you took it that way - I was just making an observation here as to why I like thinking about it in a "time only" perspective - I like feeling that the escort is comfortable with whatever we do. I guess personally I've always taken it more than just a disclaimer and as a policy, but that's just me, and you're quite right - I may be in the minority about that.

 

>>Like I said, if you hire an escort and they either can't or

>>refuse to perform, obviously it's a major bummer, because

>the

>>reality is you ARE generally hiring them for more than

>>non-sexual companionship.

>

>Hey Guptasa, ala GT, please PHONE HOME! One or two hour

>sessions are DEFINITELY about sexual encounters. Only longer

>bookings are about non-sexual companionship and even those

>come with the expectation of some sexual encounters by BOTH

>the client and the escort. If you're willing settle for less,

>then you're are just being a doormat who has absolutely NO

>sense of self-esteem. x(

 

Reread what I said carefully - I was saying that the sessions ARE for sexual purposes.

 

I am generally softspoken and non-confrontational, even moreso in person than here, and that may very well be affecting my viewpoint on this. That said, when I hire an escort, I *do* have sexual expectations, but especially with a first-time escort, I guess I set myself up in case it doesn't go as far as I like. And even with a regular, I realize there are circumstance where they might have trouble performing.

[guptasa1]

>You really are such a sweet guy, but even you couldn't be

>NAIVE enough to believe this sugar coated bull shit. Such a

>statement is made only as a futile attempt to avoid

>prosecution for prostitution, and would never hold up in any

>court of law as a protection for either the escort or the

>client.

 

I'll agree with you to a certain extent, but I also think some escorts also use it as a sort of escape clause. I've met with escorts (actually, just one who really emphasized it) who clearly stated before a meeting that if he wasn't comfortable with something, he could leave at any time (though we also agreed it would be only partial payment if that was the case) and that it only went where comfortable for him. It wasn't a problem at all (probably not someone I'd hire again, but for different reasons - he was a really nice guy).

 

>Please take a straw vote of all the clients on this board who

>hire an escort and don't expect to have sex with that escort

>whether they are hiring by the hour (but especially these) or

>by the overnight or by the weekend or for a longer period.

>WHAT??? LOOK MA, NO HANDS!

 

I'm certainly not saying the sex isn't expected. I'm also not saying a client should have to pay the full amount or complete the full session if the escort can't or won't perform. I'm just saying that in that situation, *I* probably would instead of raise trouble about it, especially if the escort did spend the entire amount of time with me and I felt he was trying.

 

>>If I were with an escort

>>and knew he didn't want to or couldn't perform, I personally

>>wouldn't be comfortable nor have any desire to force it.

>

>Well, please pardon me, but I know damn well I never mentioned

>force, nor do I believe anyone else did.

 

I didn't intend to imply that you did if you took it that way - I was just making an observation here as to why I like thinking about it in a "time only" perspective - I like feeling that the escort is comfortable with whatever we do. I guess personally I've always taken it more than just a disclaimer and as a policy, but that's just me, and you're quite right - I may be in the minority about that.

 

>>Like I said, if you hire an escort and they either can't or

>>refuse to perform, obviously it's a major bummer, because

>the

>>reality is you ARE generally hiring them for more than

>>non-sexual companionship.

>

>Hey Guptasa, ala GT, please PHONE HOME! One or two hour

>sessions are DEFINITELY about sexual encounters. Only longer

>bookings are about non-sexual companionship and even those

>come with the expectation of some sexual encounters by BOTH

>the client and the escort. If you're willing settle for less,

>then you're are just being a doormat who has absolutely NO

>sense of self-esteem. x(

 

Reread what I said carefully - I was saying that the sessions ARE for sexual purposes.

 

I am generally softspoken and non-confrontational, even moreso in person than here, and that may very well be affecting my viewpoint on this. That said, when I hire an escort, I *do* have sexual expectations, but especially with a first-time escort, I guess I set myself up in case it doesn't go as far as I like. And even with a regular, I realize there are circumstance where they might have trouble performing.

[+ Charlie]

My response was probably skewed by the fact that I have never hired an escort ONLY to get hard and for nothing else. If I did, I probably would expect a refund or a raincheck if he failed to do so. For me, there are more aspects to the sexual experience than one, so if he falters on just one (especially if he is obviously trying), I don't get upset. If I want a guaranteed hard cock, I'll buy a dildo.

[+ Charlie]

My response was probably skewed by the fact that I have never hired an escort ONLY to get hard and for nothing else. If I did, I probably would expect a refund or a raincheck if he failed to do so. For me, there are more aspects to the sexual experience than one, so if he falters on just one (especially if he is obviously trying), I don't get upset. If I want a guaranteed hard cock, I'll buy a dildo.

[guptasa1]

>My response was probably skewed by the fact that I have never

>hired an escort ONLY to get hard and for nothing else. If I

>did, I probably would expect a refund or a raincheck if he

>failed to do so. For me, there are more aspects to the sexual

>experience than one, so if he falters on just one (especially

>if he is obviously trying), I don't get upset. If I want a

>guaranteed hard cock, I'll buy a dildo.

 

Point taken, and I could say the same for myself too.

[guptasa1]

>My response was probably skewed by the fact that I have never

>hired an escort ONLY to get hard and for nothing else. If I

>did, I probably would expect a refund or a raincheck if he

>failed to do so. For me, there are more aspects to the sexual

>experience than one, so if he falters on just one (especially

>if he is obviously trying), I don't get upset. If I want a

>guaranteed hard cock, I'll buy a dildo.

 

Point taken, and I could say the same for myself too.

[woodlawn]

>I'll agree with you to a certain extent, but I also think some

>escorts also use it as a sort of escape clause. I've met with

>escorts (actually, just one who really emphasized it) who

>clearly stated before a meeting that if he wasn't comfortable

>with something, he could leave at any time (though we also

>agreed it would be only partial payment if that was the case)

 

Good of him to make that clear beforehand. If an escort ever said that to me, I'd thank him for his frankness and tell him I would not pay anything if he didn't do anything. If he didn't care for that there would be no deal.

[woodlawn]

>I'll agree with you to a certain extent, but I also think some

>escorts also use it as a sort of escape clause. I've met with

>escorts (actually, just one who really emphasized it) who

>clearly stated before a meeting that if he wasn't comfortable

>with something, he could leave at any time (though we also

>agreed it would be only partial payment if that was the case)

 

Good of him to make that clear beforehand. If an escort ever said that to me, I'd thank him for his frankness and tell him I would not pay anything if he didn't do anything. If he didn't care for that there would be no deal.

[+ Lucky]

If you hire an escort to come over and fuck you, then isn't it expected that he is going to have to get hard? And, if he doesn't, why pay him?

This question is based upon an actual true story of someone I knew who paid an escort anyway despite the cokehead's inability to perform the required task.

[+ Lucky]

If you hire an escort to come over and fuck you, then isn't it expected that he is going to have to get hard? And, if he doesn't, why pay him?

This question is based upon an actual true story of someone I knew who paid an escort anyway despite the cokehead's inability to perform the required task.

[guptasa1]

>If you hire an escort to come over and fuck you, then isn't

>it expected that he is going to have to get hard? And, if he

>doesn't, why pay him?

>This question is based upon an actual true story of someone I

>knew who paid an escort anyway despite the cokehead's

>inability to perform the required task.

 

Yes, it's expected they'll get hard, but some people would probably choose to pay anyways and just not hire the guy again or be more careful next time if the escort wouldn't work something out. I probably would pay if the escort still wanted payment because...and I know this makes NO sense to most of you so I'm not even going to try to explain it...I'd feel bad if that happened (unattractive...or like it was my fault for making a poor decision as to who to see). lol. And I'd feel bad about the time he lost. But I'm not a very assertive guy. Sometime I'm way, way TOO passive for my own good, which is why I'd probably pay also just to avoid an awkward or possibly fiery confrontation.

[+ Charlie]

As I said above, I don't hire an escort just to come over and fuck me. I don't set a rigid script for the appointment to follow, so I'm not fixated on one particular thing that has to happen. Of course, if there were one particular thing that I had wanted and he had agreed to, and he didn't do it (e.g., I asked him to wear a business suit and he showed up in tank top and shorts), I would refuse to pay.

[Guest DevonSFescort]

I'd offer a discount. It seems to me like the right thing to do, and it's so much cheaper in the long run than getting a review that says I didn't deliver the goods but charged full price for them. If an escort has to do this frequently enough that it's hurting him financially then that should probably tell him something. That said, I'd also be inclined not to see the client again, for fear of both disappointing him again with similar issues and disappointing me by having to give another partial refund.

[pierrot]

I understand that you are very shy and unconfrontational, and I can sympathize. It's a little difficult to tell a guy who is trying to get it up, but can't, that you want a rebate. (Well you have to wait for the right moment). But I don't understand when you say the client "should be more careful next time." How can you be more careful? You ask someone you've never met ahead of time what he does, and you have to go with his answer and depend on his honesty. You read reviews here, (and we all love this site for this reason). But beyond that, you can't do much to guarantee performance.

Don't get me wrong, I could be sympathetic with the escort, assuming I don't think he's just fucked himself out with someone else. But I think an honest escort should offer to try at a later time, or offer a price break or something. Expecting the client to just "be more careful" does not make much sense to me.

[guptasa1]

Sorry - I probably should have clarified better. The "be more careful next time" reference was mainly if the escort wasn't willing to work something out (which, with me, quite honestly wouldn't be that difficult - I'm pretty easy to please). In other words, if the escort was a jerk about it, I'd definitely be more careful and look for signs next time to avoid a similar situation.

 

Real-life example (though not regarding inability to get hard per se) - this happened. I was with a brand new escort who had no reviews, and (though I'm not sure of this - he did have an excuse, but I don't know that I buy it anymore given some other things that happened), he literally disappeared in the middle of our time together (an overnight) with full payment (and we hadn't done a thing sexual...nor did he seem particularly interested to). Needless to say, I felt AWFUL (that was a very, very rough night...he did e-mail me the next day apologizing however with an excuse, which at least made me feel a little better). Because of that experience, I learned to only hire escorts with reviews, and even if I'm tempted (this guy was really cute and nearby, so I took the chance), I don't think I'd ever do it again. Live and learn.

 

Now if an escort couldn't get hard, but was very sweet about it and I felt really cared and was trying to his best ability to make things right, I wouldn't hold it against him at all, and I don't think there's any way to "be more careful next time" in that regard, so I agree with you. If an escort was a jerk about it, demanded full payment, and made me feel awful, though, I'd definitely be more careful about who I trusted next time.

 

Hope that clarifies what I meant a bit more.

[theDCeBOY]

you can't tease us like that! who was the escort & what was his excuse???