First Time Reviews

[giovoni]

There have been several instances in the few months I've read this forum that credibility of first time reviews have been called into question by the posters here. I think the other escorts around know that many many clients do indeed hire you for their first (and sometimes only) experience with an escort. Some of these people want to write a review.

 

Many of the posters here obviously don't trust Hooboys competence in handling first time reviewers despite the rigorous and tedious lengths he goes to to verify them. If that weren't the case there wouldn't be so many issues raised by them regarding these reviews.

 

Having said that, I would like to ask the other escorts if you ever discourage your clients from submitting a review if they havn't before. TJ and I haven't done that yet but we have certainly spoken about it. Any thoughts? Thanks!

 

Gio in Denver

http://www.angelfire.com/co3/massagebygio

[Argos]

This doesn't answer your question directly and I am not an escort. I have had an escort actually ask me to post a review about our session, but he indicated he would understand if I didn't want to oblige his request. I thought it was very unprofessional to even make the request. I had read reviews about the escort and most of them were positive, but after getting together with the guy, it was obvious to me the reviewers were overly generous, and to an extent misleading, about the escort. I never submitted a review as requested and never returned to the escort.

[giovoni]

Perhaps I should add that we don't solicit reviews as you mentioned we do find that practice tacky. If clients mention it we encourage it. What I'm speaking of are clients who find one or the other of us on this site, come to see us, enjoy their time and ask if we would like to see a review written. And in this instance if the client has never submitted a review it would cross our minds that a review from this person would not be well recieved here especially if it's a really good review, or god forbit they spell something wrong or use less 'then' perfect grammar. Now granted, TJ and I both are always happy to be recognized and mentioned here, and we know it takes time and consideration for our clients to appreciate us in this way. Lately we wonder if clients who do make the effort to write reviews for the first time, not just for us but for other escorts, are setting themselves up for "public" humiliation and scrutiny here by posters as I mentioned in my first post, and thus getting turned off to using the site or other escorts in the future.

 

Gio in Denver

http://www.angelfire.com/co3/massagebygio

[Flower]

Gio--don't worry about it--the ones here who pick apart reviews fanatically are just stirring up turds and making themselves feel good, it that is still possible. They get their rocks off by taking down others and probably not the type of client that you'd want anyway. For instance, one joker was making a snide comment about Tristan's fees being so high and on and on and turns out he was so anxious to find fault he didn't read the review correctly--so go figure.

 

Consider this--most of the hits on this site are for the reviews and I am willing to bet that only a small fraction of clients that use the site come anywhere near the message center--so doubtful they see all the bs here tearing everyone apart for sneezing wrong. We all had to write the first time review if we do reviews at all--so nothing at all wrong with it. As a client, I never entered the MC for the first 2 yrs I used the site -- had no interest--and it NEVER occurred to me that there was anything "lesser" about a first time review.

 

I'd say let the chips fall where they may :+

[AaronScottDC]

>Consider this--most of the hits on this site are for the

>reviews and I am willing to bet that only a small fraction of

>clients that use the site come anywhere near the message

>center--so doubtful they see all the bs here tearing everyone

>apart for sneezing wrong. We all had to write the first time

>review if we do reviews at all--so nothing at all wrong with

>it. As a client, I never entered the MC for the first 2 yrs I

>used the site -- had no interest--and it NEVER occurred to me

>that there was anything "lesser" about a first time review.

>

>I'd say let the chips fall where they may :+

 

I think Flower is totally correct about this. I have chatted with a number of clients about this site and many do not even know there is a message center. I know it may come as a shock to those who post here often, but the vast majority of guys who hire (at least ones that have hired me) have either never heard of this site, or who just use it for the reviews and never read the message center.

 

So, I say who ever wants to post a review - go ahead. The more the merrier!

 

Aaron Scott DC

http://www.erados.com/AaronScottDC

http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/aaronscottdc.html

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

>

>Having said that, I would like to ask the other escorts if you

>ever discourage your clients from submitting a review if they

>havn't before. TJ and I haven't done that yet but we have

>certainly spoken about it. Any thoughts? Thanks!

>

 

I just discouraged a client I met while out of town who has submitted a number of reviews on a number of well reviewed escorts on here, including some of the Message Center posters, from submitting a review on me based on just meeting me once. I never solicited this review and I suggested, since he had already expressed an interest in seeing me again, that the review be done after meeting me at least a second time. I think this makes it even more credible. I am not sure I would eat a meal at a fine dining establishment based on the critic eating only one meal there once.

 

However, now that I have over 10 reviews, I think it would be pointless to get more reviews, solicited or not. Most clients do not seem to read them all, and at a certain point, they look only for negative comments and skim the rest. I also have clients who hired me (as much as this may surprise Donnie) based soley on my photographs and on my verbal or written communication with them; I include my reviews in nearly every response I send to a client upon initial inquiry. I think this site and the reviews provide a lot of information to the clients in that regard. But I know some clients do not even look at them; they have said as much.

 

As for first time reviews, I think your concern should be more if the gentlemen is a first time reviewer.

 

Good luck!

[giovoni]

>

>As for first time reviews, I think your concern should be more

>if the gentlemen is a first time reviewer.

 

This WAS my concern although I can see in the way it was worded that it could be interpreted either way. The point you brought up is a very good one too but one I hadn't really considered yet. Also do you really not care if you get any other reviews at this point. I'm sure you have plenty of business, but I would think that clients not only look for good reviews but also for fairly recent reviews. Since this site leaves reviews up indefinitely, if an escort leaves the business and doesn't let Hooboy know then clients could chase several dead ends before finding someone that is not only to their tastes but is also actually working.

 

Gio in Denver

http://www.angelfire.com/co3/massagebygio

[Uncle Bill]

I agree. That was my case until a couple of years ago. Most guys I talk to (other than on this site) don't know about the MC even if they know about the review section, and most of the newer guys don't know about the reviews either -- clients and escorts included. Post, post, post.

[giovoni]

Well thanks to all of you for posting. It is heartening that most of you still believe that any review should be welcome, and that people do see certain nay sayers for what they are.

 

I'm still not convinced I would just discount the number of people who read/post here. I do have several clients as does TJ who do mention this site and the message board and though many of them are just lurkers they still read what is said here.

 

Once you come here the first time it isn't hard to stumble onto this message board after all. It's right under the 'newest reviews' on the menu after all.

 

Gio in Denver

http://www.angelfire.com/co3/massagebygio

[btmstudnyc]

"Having said that, I would like to ask the other escorts if you ever discourage your clients from submitting a review if they havn't before. TJ and I haven't done that yet but we have certainly spoken about it. Any thoughts? Thanks!"

 

I haven't necessarily discouraged submitting a review...but I have told clients that I understand if they dont want to do it.

 

a. Because they are afraid it will come back to THEM (go figure)

b. It is so fucking tedious and long.

c. I've had at least 3 clients this year who I tried to help fill out the form and the review was never posted and they didnt get a confirmation and they did NOT have internet mail blocked.

 

So, I totally give up on asking for a review at this point. I have had at least 5 full time posters on this site who have not filled out a review. Whether, they are trying to save me from embarrassments or want to keep me to themselves or just out of plain frustration at the rate that it gets posted because I've reached that benchmark "10" reviews.

 

I used to get lots of inquiry from all over the country when a review was posted...but much less now...I'm not sure it's because of the timing of the last few reviews (sometimes they get bunched up together and there are several reviews on NYC guys.) and just plain old familiarity.

 

This site is great for reference...so I have to agree with Franco on the part about needing only so many. I don't want 45 reviews from first time reviewers....that reduces credibility. I think that the variety in the first 10 or 15 reviews is the crucial part.

 

JIM

[+ Lucky]

"Consider this--most of the hits on this site are for the reviews"

 

Flower, how do you know this? Is there a place where we can find how many hits a website gets?

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

>There have been several instances in the few months I've read

>this forum that credibility of first time reviews have been

>called into question by the posters here.

 

This is true in some instances but not generally. A first time reviewer is an unknown quantity. (We all started that way.) He gives an opinion maybe honestly, maybe with an axe to grind. Flags are raised when a first timer signs on to trash someone, ususally with a string of positive reviews, or praise to high to heaven a first time reviewed escort. Some of these latter cases appear no more than a press release for.the guy. There have been a few egregious example IMO. Nevertheless many of these latter cases may be good-faith attempts by a enthusiastic newbie reviewers. That is why a track record is helpful -- to provide the substance for each us to review the reviewer. The follow-up with additional reviews ususally makes the case that the guy did not have an axe to grind.

 

 

>I think the other escorts around know that many many clients

>do indeed hire you for their first (and sometimes only)

>experience with an >escort. Some of these people want to

>write a review.

 

Sounds like a good idea to me. It's the life blood of the site. But a thoughtful well written review, first timer or not, will get more acceptance than something thrown together just to praise or to trash. In all cases, meaningful information including some details of the experience helps the reader to assess the review and the reviewer. Reviews with no meaingful info good or bad whether good-faith or axe to grind carry little with most readers IMO.

 

>Many of the posters here obviously don't trust Hooboys

>competence in handling first time reviewers despite the

>rigorous and tedious lengths he goes to to verify them. If

>that weren't the case there wouldn't be so many issues raised

>by them regarding these reviews.

 

I don't share this opinion. HB does a reasonable job given the issues of anonymity and confidentiality. Sometimes a few slip through for whatever reason and I suspect many are just a tough call so he leaves it up to the reader to judge -- which they do. Then there is maybe be the odd occasion when he is so frustrated that he decides to share the joy with all of us. :+

[Flower]

YES :+

[+ Lucky]

Hey funny flower, there were two questions there!!!!x(

[Guest ncm2169]

< We all had to write the first time review if we do reviews at all >

 

Gee, Flower, nice of you to chime in on the subject of Reviews, since you often brag about not writing them. Many people here contribute in a positive fashion for the benefit of other clients; others just seem to take up space.

 

< They get their rocks off by taking down others >

 

Refer to your remarks here yesterday about me:

 

< The only value of your post would be to let others know who the escort was--otherwise, quite frankly, I doubt it's credibility and assume you're just trying to stir-up the pot. Btw, aren't you the one that has used the same line (about a "friend") in other posts? Whenever I see "a 'friend' told me" or this "happened to a 'friend'" I get suspicious. >

 

With all due respect, if you need any suggestions about where to "stick your story", I'm happy to make a few. :+

[Guest ncm2169]

Gio, many clients who've lurked here long enough and read/parsed enough Reviews have become cynical due to the obvious incidence of fake reviews. Unfortunately, reviews by first time reviewers are the de facto red flag, especially if the content of the review is so glowing as to be over the top. HB can't possibly screen for all of them, it's just too easy to defeat the "system."

 

When I submitted my first review, I felt compelled to "establish my credibility" by observing that I'd been a member of the site for many months and had been posting here for much of that time.

 

But, that doesn't solve the problem for the legitimate first time reviewer. Unfortunately, like the unnamed bare-backing escort in my other recent post, a few escorts have spoiled the barrel for all the others.

 

(Well, in the case of fake reviews, maybe it's more than just "a few." x( ).

 

P.S. If you don't already do it, read the daily Newest Reviews for a week. I'll betcha you'll spot at least a couple that when you read them and then re-read them, you'll say to yourself, "Say what?"

[Guest DevonSFescort]

I wouldn't suggest discouraging any client, including a first-time reviewer, from writing a review unless you had done something with him that was really a function of your unique rapport with that individual and something you didn't want to get a reputation for. (For example if you're not normally into water sports but for some reason with him you thought it would be hot, and you don't really want to become known as the go-to guy in your town for piss scenes.)

 

Yes, some people on the message center are extremely suspicious of first time reviewers, but that doesn't change the fact that when a new review hits, many more people than usual will click on your website that day (even for the next several days) -- and that's your chance to take your message directly to the people who are potentially interested in hiring you.

 

You're also bringing that client "into the system," so to speak, so that next time he reviews somebody else he won't be a first-time reviewer anymore. And some -- not all, but some -- of those same people who assume that all first time reviewers are phony might soften up when they start seeing your name (complete with a link to your reviews) pop up on lists of escorts previously reviewed by a client with a particular handle.

[Nvr2Thick]

>I just discouraged a client I met while out of town who has

>submitted a number of reviews on a number of well reviewed

>escorts on here, including some of the Message Center posters,

>from submitting a review on me based on just meeting me once...

>

>However, now that I have over 10 reviews, I think it would be

>pointless to get more reviews, solicited or not. Most clients

>do not seem to read them all, and at a certain point, they

>look only for negative comments and skim the rest...

 

Good reviews are great porn. I would hope you wouldn't discourage reviews. I love to read about great fuck sessions.

 

Also I think you may be taking the purpose of this site too literally as a review/reference site. I log onto a hotel or restaurant site when I want to look up or look for such a service. Screening Hooboy's on a regular basis, however, keeps me excited about the guys. When I travel I usually go after the guys who are fresh on my mind from the past few months of hot encounters.

[Flower]

LMAO Can't do the ol' razzel dazzel with you around I was LOL when I wrote it and was hoping you'd find the humor:7

 

But in answer to your question, the webmaster is able to determine that at any time, but normally WE can't--just that Hoo and/or Daddy or someone in the know, has mentioned a couple times on here words to that effect, so you know me--if it is in writing, I assume it to be true.:+

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[Rick Munroe]

>You give the word "trite" a new meaning.

 

And you, JimEric, define the word "yech".

[Flower]

>Gee, Flower, nice of you to chime in on the subject of

>Reviews, since you often brag about not writing them.

 

Well, again, you are not being factual and as usual putting your particular spin on statements taken out of context.

 

However, what I said (certainly no boast--where'd that come from) before in only 1 thread (so nto often--once) was that I wrote A LOT of reviews under a different screen name, but there were a very few of my favorites that I didn't write reviews about for reasons personal to me but who had more than their share of glowing reviews anyway, so it made little difference--or words to that effect.

 

I'm not going to take the time to search thru all my writings, but I accept as a compliment that you have despite not being able to accurately quote them:+

>< They get their rocks off by taking down others >

>Refer to your remarks here yesterday about me:

>< The only value of your post would be to let others know who

>the escort was--otherwise, quite frankly, I doubt it's

>credibility and assume you're just trying to stir-up the pot.

>Btw, aren't you the one that has used the same line (about a

>"friend") in other posts? Whenever I see "a 'friend' told me"

>or this "happened to a 'friend'" I get suspicious. >

I haven't tried to take down anyone here (you'll know it when I do }( , but have been vocal when I come accross a stupid post and or poster!

>With all due respect, if you need any suggestions about where

>to "stick your story", I'm happy to make a few. :+

My my--that's very hostile :* --obviously a little defensive too, but typical of people that whine all the time.

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[Guest Bitchboy]

Oh, nice .. just what this place needs - one more self-serving snide and bitter queen. Welcome, hon. Don't trip on your tail.

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