fetishes

[sashek]

I have a particular sexual fetish called "gutpunching" - which means that I'm turned on by the idea of punching another man in the stomach. Although there are other men with this fetish, it's rare. My question is: If I hire an escort, is it fair to ask him to participate in this activity before sex, as part of the session, or should an extra fee be involved? I have made this interest of mine clear in a couple of emails to escorts, and the responses have been rude. I have no desire to "brutalize" anyone, and respect limits. I would just like to know from some of the escorts here if this is a completely unreasonable fetish? Thanks for your input.

[Guest Pulsator]

I also have this fetish - but in reverse. I find it a real turn-on to incorporate receiving gut-punches as part of sex. This refers, of course, to playful punches, not to somebody actually trying to inflict damage. I've tried to get some escorts to incorporate that into our interaction, with mixed success. Some guys just won't do it - they don't get off on it, or they are just afraid of causing injury, or whatever. I'd be interested in hearing from escorts why they would or would not do this, and whether advance conversations about it from a potential client would affect their willingness to make an appointment.

[duke37]

I hope Devon replies to this thread as I know he likes this quite a bit. For the original poster he would be a great choice if its possible for you.

 

Devon might also have some good advice on how to approach an escort about it or how to educate someone to experiment with it.

 

Jeff

 

Or maybe the first two posters can get together?

[Guest Merlin]

I think this qualifies as a variation of S and M. Look for an escort who offers S&M, kink, or rough sex. I suspect the one who will recieve are very few.

[Guest DevonSFescort]

>My question is: If I hire an escort, is it

>fair to ask him to participate in this activity before sex, as

>part of the session, or should an extra fee be involved?

 

I don't think it's an either/or proposition. It's perfectly fair to ask him to do it as part of the session, and if it turns out he's willing to do so for an extra fee that you're willing to pay, that's fair enough too. I love getting gut-punched, so I wouldn't charge you any extra. }(

 

>I have made this interest of mine clear in a couple of emails to

>escorts, and the responses have been rude. I have no desire to

>"brutalize" anyone, and respect limits. I would just like to

>know from some of the escorts here if this is a completely

>unreasonable fetish? Thanks for your input.

 

What would be the criteria for a REASONABLE fetish? Or the point of one? :+ That said, you're right that it's unusual, and it's unfortunate that some escorts appear not to be taking your request very well. Merlin's right to suggest looking for escorts who will do kink or S/M. I actually mention gut-punching in the "turn-ons" page of my website, but I'm not sure whether other escorts who enjoy it would promote that they enjoyed it or not. Beyond that, keep asking when you inquire, and just accept that you may be in for a few more rude responses.

 

One question I would ask is whether this is a deal-breaker for you? In other words, are you just not interested in hiring someone unless gut-punching is part of the scene? Because another way to go about this is: if there's an escort you really like, and you guys hit it off on your first meeting, he might be more willing to discuss giving it a try in a future meeting if you start out with really light punches -- baby taps with a fist. Especially if, as your question suggests you might be, you're willing to add a little extra money to sweeten the pot if need be. Of course, this is a chancy and potentially expensive strategy, but sometimes you have to resort to those when your tastes run off the beaten path... ;-)

 

Good luck and have fun!

[Guest DevonSFescort]

>I'd be interested in hearing from escorts why they would or

>would not do this, and whether advance conversations about it

>from a potential client would affect their willingness to make

>an appointment.

 

I would do it and have done it, partly because I know how good it feels being on the receiving end of it and partly because it's fun! But I think you're right about the issue being fear of causing injury in some cases, and some escorts are just going to think it's freaky. You're right that in some cases discussing it up front could cause the escort to lose interest in making an appointment with you, and it's probably less essential to bring up wanting to GET punched in advance than wanting to PUNCH someone. The latter you could only bring up on the spot with someone you felt a really good rapport with. However if it's someone who does S/M or kink scenes they won't be offended or shocked, even if they don't want to do it.

[Guest DevonSFescort]

I can't believe I didn't mention this, but a great way to get people to punch you in the gut is to punch yourself in the gut. You'll be able to sense pretty quickly whether they're weirded out, but if they're not, chances are curiosity will take over and they'll want to give punching you a try too. I've had guys go from thinking gutpunching's just way too kinky to getting a raging boner from it in less than thirty seconds. }(

[sashek]

Thanks Devon (and the others who responded). Your feedback made me feel a lot better about this fetish of mine, and bringing it up in discussions with escorts. I'm going to San Francisco in September - would love to hook up with you, Devon, and explore this further. Thanks again!

Sashek

[Guest feisty1]

Just to add to Merlin's tip, which is on-target I think, another thing to look for is escorts who specifically mention wrestling and/or boxing (which is, well, a bit more obvious! but also harder to find). I have twice been offered up guts to punch, perhaps in a lighter, more playful manner than you might be interested in. One who did this was Lance (reviewed under Arizona), who is heavily into martial arts and wrestling. The two don't necessarily go hand-in-hand, but I think many escorts who are open to the kind of physical interaction and competitiveness of wrestling are likelier to be willing to let you take some shots than those who aren't. (Note that the sexy Devon also mentions wrestling as a turn-on.)

 

--Michael

<N.P. "Born Fighter" - Nick Lowe>

[Guest Love Bubble Butt]

I can't say that I'm into this. At all. But I can't help but wonder what it is that makes this fun? I'm not criticizing, but genuinly curious as to what exactly is the turn on. Is it some sense of being dominated or dominating your partner?

[sashek]

It's hard to say, really. I've had this fetish ever since I was a kid. Watching the old t.v. westerns, there'd often be a fight scene, where two guys would team up on a third, one pinning the guy's arms behind his back, while the other punched him in the stomach. I was too young back then to know anything about domination or anything like that, all I knew was that these scenarios really turned me on. I suppose it's like any other fetish - where does it come from? why does it turn you on? Who knows. We can analyze them all we want, but eventually we have to make the best of them. Any insights are appreciated.

[Bilbo]

Another possible reason is showing off. Name me one in shape guy who has absolutely never punched himself in his stomache to show off how hard it is. Control and exchange of power, etc. are parts of the turn on, of course. But I get off on my boyos getting off on showing off. How long and how hard can you hold your tummy? Show me, little grasshopper. Make us both proud of you.

 

So, if anyone in or around Houston is looking for a good body punching, I'm always more than ready to give one.

[Guest feisty1]

>Is it some sense of being dominated or dominating

>your partner?

 

It is pretty hard to explain a fetish. For me, it has to do with the admiration and fetishization of strength and power, as well as just the tactile pleasures of feeling up a hot gut.

 

There's a scene in the movie "The Truth About Cats & Dogs" in which Janeane Garofalo and Ben Chaplin are having a long night of phone sex. During one part of it, Garofalo is petting her cat, who rolls over on its back and lets her rub its belly. She comments to Chaplin that not many animals will offer up their bellys and when they do, you know they trust you implicitly. Chaplin remarks that not many people will either. The gut is a vulnerable spot for many creatures. You know how cats, when they're playing, sometimes grab onto you and rake your hand or arm with their back legs? In the wild, that's a very effective means of eviscerating their prey. It's an instinctive manoeuveur to attack the most vunerable parts of an opponent, and it is likewise instinctive to try to protect your most vulnerable areas.

 

Obviously, if you were really fighting someone, you wouldn't let them attack your gut. But for people who eroticize combat or tests of strength or just strength/power itself (usually represented by excellent muscular development), the abs can be a focus of pleasure. If you read erotic stories involving gutpunching, they tend to focus on the intensity of breaking down the ab muscles, testing their resistance, "breaking through the wall," etc., as well as establishing a dominance/submission bond between players. (Often, these seem to be more mutual than one-way, moreso anyway than typical S&M erotica, where usually the participants don't switch roles.) These are the more extreme examples, of course, as erotica often is (dicks or muscles or whatever is fetishized are always impossibly big, S&M is always extreme, etc.). I don't know how many guys actually get so intense for real -- I don't think most people really like too much pain. But a little playful gutpunching, if you're physically and mentally prepared for it, doesn't really hurt, the same way that slaps to the ass (vs., say, a heavy paddling) don't really hurt. It's another sensation to add to the mix, and like many sexually stimulating sensations, it involves a little bit of pain or discomfort and a lot of pleasure. How much of each depends upon the individual -- some guys love their nipples tortured, others like them treated roughly, others lightly, some not at all. We all experience these sensations differently.

 

Personally, I like doing it when I'm with an escort who's big and strong, as another method of him demonstrating his strength and training. I guess it turns me on for someone like that to show me his invulnerability by letting me at one of his more vulnerable spots, and, like I said, it helps establish a different kind of connection, another bond of trust. I can't really speak for guys who get into more extreme gutpunching scenes, but I imagine the motivations are similar.

 

--Michael

<N.P. "Heroes Are Hard to Find" - Fleetwood Mac>

[Guest Love Bubble Butt]

Well, I think you explained a possibility on this one pretty well! And to each his own.

 

I'm not a gut punching, ass slapping, titty twisting, cock/ball torturing, butt licking type of guy. I guess I'm just a plain, boring, ultra vanilla kind of guy. I'm only into kissing, sucking, and fucking!

[Guest fukamarine]

>I'm not a gut punching, ass slapping, type of guy

 

You have not lived until you've been spanked by a hot hunky 25 year old!

 

fukamarine

[Guest Love Bubble Butt]

I'm gonna have to take your word for it. :7

[Guest feisty1]

>just a plain, boring, ultra vanilla kind of guy. I'm only

>into kissing, sucking, and fucking!

 

When did kissing, sucking, and fucking become "boring"?

 

I do think your point gets to the heart of the problem with the attitudes of some who think a so-called "non-reciprocal" escort isn't worth the money. (See, for example, the thread about Sebastian in the Deli section.) Some people are unsatisified if there's no kissing, others unsatified if there's no fucking, others could care less about either but want any number of things from a long list of sexually intimate activities two men can get up to with each other. But some people who post here have very narrow definitions of what constitues a sexually satisfying encounter, and feel compelled to disparage escorts they don't think will meet their own needs while being unable to grasp that those escorts might be perfect for a lot of other clients.

 

--Michael

<N.P. "If It Makes You Happy" - Sheryl Crow>

[Bilbo]

Remember Houdini, of course.

 

For those of you who have been turned on by this discussion (like me, who is definitely planning to hire Devon if he ever makes it to Houston), one moment of warning to play safe in this as in all things. Houdini, the great magician and escape artist, had a bit in his act where he would flex his abs onstage and one of the strongest locals would gut punch him as hard as he could. This was one of his most popular "tricks" which goes a long way towards showing how popular this fetish is, even with people who don't realize they have it. One evening, after the show, for some reason there was a man in Houdini's dressing room to whom he wasn't really paying attention. The man asked if he could punch Houdini's stomache and Houdini gave him a distracted yes, not realizing what he had just agreed to. The man hit his gut as hard as ever he could when Houdini didn't have his abs tightened. There was an internal bursting and the magician died from this affair. Always be sure (Check eye contact.) that you both know what is about to happen and that the one being hit is ready for it. Play safe, but keep playing!

[Guest DevonSFescort]

Michael,

 

Those are really great insights. Good job explaining something that a lot of people just can't relate to.

 

For those that can, though, another hot variation I enjoy is a lighter version of gut punching (and pounding on the chest) with a wiry, sinewy twink type -- the kind with no body fat and just a teeny bit of muscle. It's so fun to let them haul off and hit me as hard as they can, then punch them back (more lightly, though some of them are amazingly tough). :9

[Guest Love Bubble Butt]

>When did kissing, sucking, and fucking become "boring"?

 

 

I'm not sure when, exactly. But it kinda pisses me off! }(

[Rick Munroe]

>I guess I'm

>just a plain, boring, ultra vanilla kind of guy. I'm only

>into kissing, sucking, and fucking!

 

If that's boring, then I fucking love boring guys. :9

[+ deej]

Let me bore ya some time, Rick. :9

[Rick Munroe]

>Let me bore ya some time, Rick. :9

 

bore v. tr.

1. To make a hole in or through, with or as if with a drill.

2. To form (a tunnel, for example) by drilling, digging, or burrowing.

 

Anytime, deej. }(

[sashek]

Devon - I was just reading through your diaries and noticed your entry from a few days ago: "For me, the pleasure of getting punched in the stomach is strongly connected to the memory of my first orgasm. Remind me to tell you about that sometime." I think we'd all like to hear the story. I hope you post it in your diary soon.

Sashek

[Bilbo]

I second that Sashek!