to deodorize or not to de.....

[Cooper]

Jon,

Take some good advice, use it...

Remember what happened when you didn't follow my advice on taking out travel insurance! lol...

[Guest jon guy]

That is the question. Whether 'tis more horny to take arms against the slings and arrows of outrageous bacteria, and by deoderising end them or if clients out there prefer a little natural scent??

 

Ok Shakespeare's out the window, but couldn't resist. This question is for clients as well but relates to a rather embarassing experience that i have recently had in New York.

 

I confess not to wearing deoderant since our temperate climate in England seldom necessitates it, and in my experience with regular showers and good hygiene one can do without it. Most of my regulars in fact actually like a little - and I am talking a little bit of natural body scent.

 

After running to an appointment this weekend in downtown manhatten - i was late - it was aborted early because the guy i was with found my lack of deoderant problematic. He paid me and i accepted. i would have been quite prepared to take a shower, but this was apparently not what he wanted leading me to wonder if there weren't other compatibility issues.

 

however i wonder if anyone else has had similar experiences? and if clients generally prefer the no odour option - I am yet to be convinced of the hygiene merits of pouring gamuts of Ozone destroying chemicals into my most intimate cavities.

 

Incidentally, there seems to be a misaprehension on this side of the Atalantic that the English don't wear deoderant. We do - or rather they do - I'm the exception - I'm making a neolandathal stand against the tyranny of the anti bacteriological. But i'm prepared to be persuaded otherwise!

 

x jon

 

 

http://www.jonguy.com

[Boston Guy]

Hi -

 

The last time I was in London, I found myself thinking that perhaps the British don't all use quite as much deodorant as is commonly the case in the US... :-)

 

I personally don't much like deodorants. I do very much prefer anti-perspirants, however, especially those with as little scent as possible.

 

I like guys to smell clean. If someone smells too "natural", I'm quite likely to suggest a mutual shower. If they didn't want to follow that suggestion, I might choose to cancel, too.

 

By the way, modern deodorants and anti-perspirants don't screw up the ozone anymore. :-) And there's always the stick kind, without any propellants at all.

 

I do prefer the sprays at home but have found aerosols frequently begin to malfunction after they've been on a few flights, so I carry an antiperspirant stick for travels. It also has the benefit of being more compact than a spraycan.

 

BG

[Will]

As always, BG makes some very useful points. I hadn't thought about the difference between anti-perspirants and deodorants; for years I've used Sure (unscented solid stick), and still don't know which it is, or maybe both. At all events, it itself has no odor and it does not create one. Not even that awful acidic stench of warm natural and chemical esters produced by many, maybe even most, deodorants.

 

I had a lover once whose personal hygiene was flawless, but who never used deodorants. He just didn't produce those smells. However, even he got a little too ripe after a hard day's work and no shower. The same is true for some escorts I've been with who claimed that they do not need deodorants because they naturally smell sweet. Well, maybe, for a while after a bath. Also, I suppose it depends on whose nose is doing the sniffing. Some people smell better to themselves than they do to other people.

 

Finally, BG's experience in Britain parallels mine. I spend a lot of time there, and it's my impression that the British think they smell fresher than they do. My preference is for my partner and me to start out squeaky clean -- the smell of a man whose skin bacteria haven't begun to give off gases is the best aphrodisiac there is. After they get started and start sweating, of course, whatever odors arise are between consenting adults!

[Cooper]

Jon, I don't know if this kind of post is going to win you any new clients. An escort's hygiene is very important to most of us. Letting us all know that you have "B-O", well, it doesn't smell well. Also, taking a shower and not using soap under your arms is also the pits...Another problem of body odor is the smell getting on your clothes. When you travel I don't know how often you get to the cleaners, but odors do have a lasting effect...The other day I met an escort who really had a nice fresh clean scent about him. As a client, I notice things like that...Your client who walked out on you because of your body odor, was right. If you are selling your services, the client has every right to expect you to be smelling clean. How would you feel if a client showed up smelling of body odor? I'm also certain that you've heard this complaint before.

[phage]

I’ve always heard that Americans and Australians are the most order conscious people on the planet. Not being the world traveler, I don’t know how true that is. I do know that in the winding lines of tourist venues (vivid memories of Disney World) you can often tell who the Europeans are without ever hearing them speak.

 

If you’re going to be working with Americans, you probably have no choice but to conform.

 

Here’s an alternative though. I happen to be allergic to most deodorants so have had to develop a different routine. I use a prescription anti-bacterial cleanser called Phisohex. (It’s the same thing doctors wash up with.) It does require a prescription but all I’ve ever had to say to a dermatologist is that deodorants irritate me. It works much, much better than any deodorant soap you can buy.

 

Washing with the cleanser and using body powder keeps everything up to the admittedly picky American standard. That said, I make sure I repeat the process no more than an hour before seeing an escort. I would expect the same from him.

[Rick Munroe]

I was lucky...I was born without that "stink" enzyme, so my sweat never smells and I never have to wear deodorant. I love to come home from a hard workout, and hold my drenched gym clothes (that I might have even worn more than once) up to Derek's nose and ask him what he smells. The answer every time is "It smells like it just came out of the washer." (So now you've had a glimpse into the very amusing games we play around here...kinky, huh? ) I once disappointed this "piggy" client who requested that I not shower before coming to see him, as I smelled fresh & clean. In general, though, I always shower right before a job. I like to be as clean as possible, and I expect the same from my clients. I also hate if I'm passionatley licking a guy all over, and go to kiss or lick his pits and suddenly have all the moisture in my mouth dry up from chemicals. BLECH! That's why I only very tentatively approach that area.

[Guest Thunderbuns]

I'm absolutely dumbfounded that this question needs to be raised. Next we'll be asked if we think it is necessary to brush our teeth or use toilet paper after a dump.

 

And if the escort truly feels he has to ask - he'll never get a buck or a referral from yours truly.

 

Thunderbuns

[Traveller]

My nose hasn't worked since Reagan was in the White House, so I can't help you on this one. However, I'm hoping to get a plastic septum soon like my boyhood idol, JC, so maybe I can re-visit this post at that time.

 

Later.

 

PS. Also Jon, shots of Cuervo, when sweated, kill all body odors. I'm counting on that with 90 degrees and 90% humidity this weekend in NO. Hoo, are you taking in the naked relay race, the naked mud wrestling or the pool party with the big package contest on Sat afternoon?

[ad rian]

>I'm absolutely dumbfounded that this question needs to be

>raised. Next we'll be asked if we think it is necessary to

>brush our teeth or use toilet paper after a dump.

>

>And if the escort truly feels he has to ask - he'll never

>get a buck or a referral from yours truly.

 

Ditto. I think thaty's why I have found the NYC rental market to be so refreshing! The boys in Amsterdam adhere to modern hygene standards, but in France, Spain, Italy and the UK all bets are off!

[Guest JH]

>Hi -

>

>The last time I was in London, I found myself thinking that

>perhaps the British don't all use quite as much deodorant as

>is commonly the case in the US... :-)

>

 

 

Not many true Brits in London (we can't afford it) - it's all you bloody tourists

 

If you really want your sense of smell assaulted by BO, try the Paris Metro during rush hour. That's a smell never to be forgotten x(

[Boston Guy]

>If you really want your sense of smell assaulted by BO, try

>the Paris Metro during rush hour. That's a smell never to

>be forgotten x(

 

I don't believe that the French think they smell. :7

[Guest dstud4hire]

Interesting problem....1st off, when it comes to having sex with someone, and kissing or somehow licking various parts of a man's body, there is nothing more dry than gently nibbling an area and getting a mouthful of deoderant, at the same time, there is noting worse than smelling bad either, so it's a fine line you draw....

 

if you had just showered, added a light spurt of a cologne and then took a cab (thus avoiding any potential oversweating,) I would think you wouldn;'t have needed it, and client would have been happy, unless he is overly compulsive or you are overly sweaty etc.

 

I once had a date with a guy who was 100% into smelling my arm pits, likewise, I have certain clients who tell me they want me to show up after having run around town for a while, working up a good sweat (not my bag, but whatever) but generally speaking, I know I prefer my clients to be hygienic, and this, do so myself.

 

I rememeber once when I saw 'out' UK performer Jimmy Somerville perform in Amsterdam, and he brought up a member of the audience up onto teh stage. he happened to be American. Jimmy cracked some jokes about how clean this bloke smelled, making mention of the fact that us Americans obsess over cleanliness. I guess he is somewhat right, so, knowing that one of your clients didn't like it, and assuming he was of that American persuasian that likes it VERY clean, it might be important to know your audience, and try to accommodate that.....

 

It probably wouldn;t take much to meet him half way, perhaps just a spritz of colonge?

[Guest wndrwoman]

>If you really want your sense of smell assaulted by BO, try

>the Paris Metro during rush hour. That's a smell never to

>be forgotten x(

 

 

Eh, oui...c'est vrai!x( x( x(

[Guest jon guy]

>And if the escort truly feels he has to ask - he'll never

>get a buck or a referral from yours truly.

>

>Thunderbuns

 

All publicity is good publicity - so they say - and you SHOULD have seen my mail inbox this morning!!:7

 

x j

[Guest Thunderbuns]

>All publicity is good publicity - so they say - and you

>SHOULD have seen my mail inbox this morning!!:7

>

>x j

 

If your hygiene doesn't improve, I don't think I want to see ANY of your boxes - thank you very much!

 

Thunderbuns

[mmk]

to me, nothing is more repulsive than the smell of body odor. It is nasty, disgusting and gross. Nothing irratates me more than when you are walking down the street and someone smells like B.O. I am not talking about a homeless person or someone who just came from the gym either but someone who smells like they do not bathe at all. I know there are some people who are into that smell and that is fine - if I am with someone I want them to smell clean. I do understand that some people do not like the smell's of deoderants and anti-perspirants but there are unscented ones as well that could be used.

 

I have always found some cologne's to be a turn on. I do not want someone to douse themselves in it but to have a nice scent can always be erotic (also if someone does have on a nice smelling cologne that is alwas a good icebreaker-a cheesey one but good nonetheless.)

 

In most of my encounters with escorts, I have been asked if they could shower up before starting. Either the escort got through performing at a bar as a dancer or they were out for the day and it had been a few hours before they had showered. I would rather have someone smelling nice and fresh then rank (Sometimes joining the escort in the shower can be fun too)

[Guest Thunderbuns]

>I have always found some cologne's to be a turn on. I do

>not want someone to douse themselves in it but to have a

>nice scent can always be erotic (also if someone does have

>on a nice smelling cologne that is alwas a good icebreaker-a

>cheesey one but good nonetheless.)

 

How true this is. I bought my latest car from a salesman whose cologne I liked. I was shopping three different makes. When I got to this one particular dealership, the salesman was about 27, very cute, nicely dressed in a dark blue suit, crisp white shirt, expensive silk tie and well polished shoes. A dream walking. And I'm sure he was straight and had no idea of the effect he was having on me. But what clinched my buying decision was the ever so faint wiff of his cologne I got when ever he came close. I even asked him what it was and - he didn't know. Now if that isn't proof he was straight..... Anyway, I drove home with the new car and look him up everytime I take it back in for service. Let it never be said I don't make informed buying decisions :-)

 

Thunderbuns

[Cooper]

>

>>And if the escort truly feels he has to ask - he'll never

>>get a buck or a referral from yours truly.

>>

>>Thunderbuns

>

>All publicity is good publicity - so they say - and you

>SHOULD have seen my mail inbox this morning!!:7

>

>x j

 

..............TOUCHE!

[+ Charlie]

I seem to be in the minority here, but I do not mind the natural smell of a sweaty body, even though bad breath turns me off completely. The smell of cologne in private body parts can turn me off instantly, and I hate to stick my tongue in someone's armpit and come up with a mouthful of chemicals or powder.

 

I think this is largely a matter of personal conditioning at an impressionable age. My father was part of the American generation of men who didn't wear deodorant, so I grew up believing that sweat was a man-smell. The most sexually active time of my life was when I lived in England as a young man, and few of my partners ever used deodorants; in fact, I associate deodorant/cologne odors with very nelly, unattractive (to me) gay men of that time.

 

But times change, and in current gay culture you have to be squeaky clean, as well as buffed from the gym, to be successful as a topman.

[Rick Munroe]

>But times change, and in current gay culture you have to be

>squeaky clean, as well as buffed from the gym, to be

>successful as a topman.

 

As far as I'm concerned, you just have to have a hard dick...and if you don't have that, my mouth will make it happen. }>

[Guest wolfman]

BO, Yuk!

 

Chemicals, Yuk!

 

I always shower and use deodorant. I do find that a little talc also is a good way keep from getting smelly.

 

I always take another shower before an escort arrives and believe if an escort asks to shower before starting in on the fun, this is a sign of respect for the client. I never put on another application of deodorant, but do spritz a little cologne.

 

I also am not into the nasty crotch smell so I always make sure this is nice and fresh.

 

Wolfman

[Guest londonfog]

Interesting trend. I have lived on both side of the Atlantic. I am a Londoner and I am still a New Yorker at heart (Yes, it is possible!)

 

Jonguy has taken some beating here. I think he never meant 'to shower or not to shower', he simply meant 'do I use cosmetics to hide body hodour between showers ?'

 

The UK has developed attitudes to perfumes, deodorants, shampoos, etc. that many other cultures find a bit peculiar. But they do not compromise on personal hygiene.

 

On the other hand it takes hours to achieve what a New Yorker calls 'a natural look', and disaster strikes if we get a bit flushed after a hot day on the road (the rare times when we do not go from air conditioned flat to air conditioned taxi to air conditioned office).

 

This is probably another example of the US and the UK divided by the common language

 

londonguy

[BuckyXTC]

I bought my latest car from a salesman

>whose cologne I liked. I was shopping three different makes.

>When I got to this one particular dealership, the salesman

>was about 27, very cute, nicely dressed in a dark blue suit,

>crisp white shirt, expensive silk tie and well polished

>shoes. A dream walking. And I'm sure he was straight and had

>no idea of the effect he was having on me. But what clinched

>my buying decision was the ever so faint wiff of his cologne

>I got when ever he came close. I even asked him what it was

>and - he didn't know. Now if that isn't proof he was

>straight..... Anyway, I drove home with the new car and look

>him up everytime I take it back in for service. Let it never

>be said I don't make informed buying decisions :-)

>

>Thunderbuns

 

This is interesting. Actuallly, it's hilarious. Here's a guy who in another thread was utterly adamant against tipping an escort, and yet he buys a car on the basis of "a whiff " of the car salesman's cologne? This is just too funny! Truly informed buying!

[Guest jon guy]

Damn! I forgot to mention the dermititis and haliotosis (sp?). I guess you guys really dig these too!

 

I sure am popular out here:-)