SSSSSSugarrrrrr DDDDDDDaddyyyyyy

[Godiva]

Have any of you had or have or know someone who has a "Sugar Daddy".

 

What does one do for a "Sugar Daddy"?

 

What kind of committment is there? Do you have to move in? What do you get in return?

 

Is there a downside?

 

A friend of mine said he knew of a situation where some SD went into a gym and randomly picked out the hottest guy there..Told him to name his price and now he is seen with the SD exclusively.

 

Is that how it is done??

[Rick Munroe]

I love this thread title. It's very "My G-g-g-generation" by my all-time favorite fucking kick-ass band The Who. Long Live Rock.

[+ deej]

There are as many different answers to this question as there are situations.

 

David Geffen's boytoys probably are expected to move in and put out.

 

For some older gentlemen, a houseboy is just that. Light housekeeping and company.

 

These situations will run the gamut, with every shade of gray imaginable.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Do Me Daddy

 

There is a potential downside to any situation.

 

I have been kept. I believe there is a similar symantic difference to being kept versus a sugar daddy situation, as with an escort versus a hustler.

 

In my case I not only moved in but moved to Florida, although I decided to do it in part to attend the Art Institute. I got my tuition paid for two years as well as other things but I did have to "put out." He was older than me, but the age difference was not as great as you might imagine.

 

After I had retired in 1997 from escorting in San Francisco, a friend bought a home in Guerneville, the Russian River resort area. We would often see older men of retirement age with teenagers barely of legal age, with the men dressed exactly the same as teenagers. My friends and I would call the older men sugar daddies and that is what I think of when I hear this particular term.

 

I think being kept is more akin to a boyfriend situation than a patron one, though it does have aspects of that as well. I was introduced as this gentlemen's partner and no one ever thought he was my sugar daddy (at least not to his face or mine) or that there was anything inappropriate in our relationship.

[ad rian]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

>I have been kept. I believe there is a similar symantic

>difference to being kept versus a sugar daddy situation, as

>with an escort versus a hustler.

 

Can I regular escort/client relationship be conceived of as a sugar daddy relationship or a kept relationship? If so, how much regularity is required? Once a week? Once a month? Over nights?

[Rick Munroe]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

>how much regularity is required?

 

If you have to ask, you're probably not getting enough fiber in your diet. :+

[Guest Thunderbuns]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

>Can I regular escort/client relationship be conceived of as

>a sugar daddy relationship or a kept relationship? If so,

>how much regularity is required? Once a week? Once a

>month? Over nights?

 

To me the term Sugar Daddy and "being kept" implies that someone else (presumably older) is paying for ALL your living expenses in exchange for the pleasure of your company and all that may entail.

 

Thunderbuns

[jimmer]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

>If you have to ask, you're probably not getting enough fiber

>in your diet. :+

 

 

You are such a nasty man. I love it!

 

Jimer

[Rod Hagen]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

Sugar Daddy and houseboy/keptboy in any capacity is just wrong. A 19 year old should spend his nights unwinding from a day of studying Astronomy 101 and "All My Children" by pounding jello shots and having pointless keg-side debates about the nature of altruism; he should date guys his own age, or older guys, but he should date nevertheless. He should be allowed to starve a bit and seek menial labor because this builds character.

 

All the things that are involved in being a "normal" 17-24 year old build character.

 

To "Keep" someone is to rob him of his, and I hate to use this cliche' term, "formative" years. The same goes for hiring escorts within this age bracket-something that men like Marc Anthony haven't thought of I'm sure. There's the normal stuff that young men, college bound or not, NEED to be doing developmentally (selling their lower colon is not one of them, consult the literature).

 

Young flesh is corruptable flesh, and men that age still have a lot of growing up to do without live-in-ass-giving, or sex-for-hire, mucking things up.

[ad rian]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

>To "Keep" someone is to rob him of his, and I hate to use

>this cliche' term, "formative" years. The same goes for

>hiring escorts within this age bracket-something that men

>like Marc Anthony haven't thought of I'm sure. There's the

>normal stuff that young men, college bound or not, NEED to

>be doing developmentally (selling their lower colon is not

>one of them, consult the literature).

>

>Young flesh is corruptable flesh, and men that age still

>have a lot of growing up to do without live-in-ass-giving,

>or sex-for-hire, mucking things up.

 

You are joking, right? I think that escorting like any other part-time job teaches the young escort responsibility, punctuality and professionalism. And by mixing in more sophisticated circles, the young escort's mind can be expanded and his horizons increased. I am surprised there aren't more twink whores out there. I think the Classisists were on to something here, and we stand to learn a great deal from their example.

[Guest Thunderbuns]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

>I think that escorting like any other part-time job teaches the >young escort punctuality.......

 

So THAT'S why they do it! Gosh, I've often wondered.

 

Thunderbuns

[Rod Hagen]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

>You are joking, right?

 

Not usually, no.

 

>I think that escorting like any

>other part-time job teaches the young escort responsibility,

>punctuality and professionalism.

 

OR does it also teach them that ridiculously large sums of money, for little work, will always be available?

 

>And by mixing in more

>sophisticated (OH PUHHLEAZE!) circles, the young escort's >mind can be expanded and his horizons increased.

 

Which offers a better lesson in self-reliance:

1. experiments in how to keep an entire apartment together with just duct tape and paper clips,

 

or

 

2. summer months aboard Dominick Dunn's yacht just off Corfu?

 

>I am surprised there

>aren't more twink whores out there. I think the Classisists

>were on to something here,

 

Yes, it's called "corruption".

[ad rian]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

>OR does it also teach them that ridiculously large sums of

>money, for little work, will always be available?

 

At the least, the escort can learn about entrepreneurship and self-reliance, and that will be much better for him than working at McDonald's! Who said the work is "little"? Personally, I think it is more unnatural and immature to find older escorts than younger ones. It seems to me to often be a case of stunted development.

 

>Which offers a better lesson in self-reliance:

>1. experiments in how to keep an entire apartment together

>with just duct tape and paper clips,

>or

>2. summer months aboard Dominick Dunn's yacht just off

>Corfu?

 

It depends. He could be buying the tape and clips from his proceeds of escorting. Alternatively getting the invitation to the yacht probably takes a great deal of initiative and skill.

 

>>I am surprised there

>>aren't more twink whores out there. I think the Classisists

>>were on to something here,

>

>Yes, it's called "corruption".

 

No, it's called a beautiful mentoring mutually beneficial transaction.

[Guest Thunderbuns]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

>2. summer months aboard Dominick Dunn's yacht just off

>Corfu?

 

Now that really got my attention. I have been a great fan of Mr. Dunn for years and have always wondered if he was a player on our team in spite of his having a wife - divorced and now deceased - and two children - one murdered and hence deceased.

 

Are you implying and/or do you have "insider traders" knowledge that he is bi or gay? Or were you simply using him as an example of a person who could conceivably own a yacht off Corfu? From what I know of Dunn it is more likely that he would be a guest on one as opposed to owning one.

 

DO TELL..............

 

Thunderbuns

[Rod Hagen]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

>At the least, the escort can learn about entrepreneurship

>and self-reliance, and that will be much better for him than

>working at McDonald's!

 

But no matter what he does after escorting, he'll always wonder where the money for nothing (yes, it is easy work) went, right? And escorting does NOT teach self-reliance, quite the opposite is true.

 

>Who said the work is "little"?

 

I have, many times. Do your research.

 

>Personally, I think it is more unnatural and immature to

>find older escorts than younger ones. It seems to me to

>often be a case of stunted development.

 

I agree. But in our case (the older guys) it's already too late, we're lost. These guys have all the potential of youth, why steal that from them?

 

>It depends. He could be buying the tape and clips from his

>proceeds of escorting. Alternatively getting the invitation

>to the yacht probably takes a great deal of initiative and

>skill.

 

It wouldn't take initiative to get the gig, it would require nothing more than a willingness to rent out one's 18 year-old rectum.

[Rod Hagen]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

Thunder, it's a tribute to something funny F3 wrote about 1.5 months ago.

[ad rian]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

>But no matter what he does after escorting, he'll always

>wonder where the money for nothing (yes, it is easy work)

>went, right? And escorting does NOT teach self-reliance,

>quite the opposite is true.

 

Yes, in the same sense that I wonder where al my money has gone, but when I reflect deeper, I am convinced I'd rather have the 18 year old rectum, than the house in Connecticut!

 

>I agree. But in our case (the older guys) it's already too

>late, we're lost. These guys have all the potential of

>youth, why steal that from them?

 

I don't steal. I pay market rates!!

[Godiva]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

This thread has become very interesting with a wide range of opinions..

 

Help me understand..I was always told that it was the goal of and Escort or faded Porn Star...the ultimate prize was to find a "Sugar Daddy." Like a woman marrying a rich man.

 

Is a "kept boy" or escort viewed in a favorable light or are the looked down upon..Are these types of arrangements of a sexual nature or more for companionship??

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Daddy Dearest

 

As with many other things about me, my own life is probably far too different from the expected norm to serve as a genuine comparison for other men of any age who may find themselves in either the situation of being kept or in an older/younger sugar daddy relationship.

 

Just for the record, when I was being kept, it was my choice to make the agreement. I had received two degrees by that point and part of the agreement was that I would get two additional years paid for at the Art Institute so I could concentrate on studying photography without distractions. I had my own set of friends and a great deal of free time.

 

I genuinely liked the man I was with but would I have made the choice to be with him without any inducement? Probably not. I also would not have learned many of the things I knew at 25.

 

On the other hand, on the issue of younger escorts, I tend to agree with Mr. Hagen, as I have clearly articulated elsewhere, that often young men make choices, not of their own volition, which often may not serve them well. To take advantage of any young man in such a position compounds the problem.

 

Finally, Godiva, I can speak only for myself, but my goal as far as relationships go would be more akin to finding someone to share my life with of our choice rather than finding someone who wants me and wishes to accomplish this end by sharing his wealth.

[ad rian]

RE: Daddy Dearest

 

>On the other hand, on the issue of younger escorts, I tend

>to agree with Mr. Hagen, as I have clearly articulated

>elsewhere, that often young men make choices, not of their

>own volition, which often may not serve them well. To take

>advantage of any young man in such a position compounds the

>problem.

 

What choices are you thinking about? Please explain.

 

As for volition, I am not sure I understand. All of the young escoirts I have met could have other jobs although perhaps not as lucrative. I don't see any pimps forcing young men into offering themselves for sale over the Internet.

 

I also thnk that with respect to sugar-daddy relationships only context can determine whether the young man or old man is being exploited. I bet in any number of such relationships, the younger escort calls the shots and drains the wallet.

 

Another way of seeing this is that we live in a market economy that values shiny objects, youth and beauty. The essence of the sugardaddy relationship is that the youth gets the shiny objects that he might not otherwise have, and the older guy gets the youth and beauty that he might not otherwise have. I don't see how you or Mr. Hagen can criticize only one side of this symbiotic relationship.

[Guest ncm2169]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

No offense to those of you who are fans of Dominick Dunne, (and at the risk of hijacking this thread away from sex...lol) but in my humble opinion he's nothing short of a shameless, self-promoting, name-dropping, obsessed egomaniac who plays fast and loose with the "truth" (he has NO shortage of opinions), and what team he bats on doesn't change any of that. He's the Robin Leach of the "rich and famous" scandal set. Every time some 3rd-generation inbred money-tree heir fucks up, or is ACCUSED of fucking up (OK, sometimes it's a first-generation nouveau riche fuck up), CNN trots him out and he pontificates about the matter as if he was an eyewitness, or at a minumum, a seer, and he always manages to mention how he knows/knew some relative of the perpetrator/victim, or how he went to prep school with somebody, or whatever. Last time he was on Larry King talking about Michael Skakel, there it was again: "Well, of course, I was at Bobby and Ethel's wedding with Michael." I'm sorry his daughter was killed, but he's turned his grief and his (alleged) desire to help victims into a way to make a buck for himself, and I think that's not just bad taste, it's crass. OK...back to sex.

[ad rian]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

>but he's turned his grief

>and his (alleged) desire to help victims into a way to make

>a buck for himself, and I think that's not just bad taste,

>it's crass. OK...back to sex.

 

Totalement d'accord!

[Guest Thunderbuns]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

>No offense to those of you who are fans of Dominick Dunne,

>(and at the risk of hijacking this thread away from

>sex...lol) but in my humble opinion he's nothing short of a

>shameless, self-promoting, name-dropping, obsessed egomaniac

>who plays fast and loose with the "truth" (he has NO

>shortage of opinions), and what team he bats on doesn't

>change any of thatnouveau riche fuck up)

 

Wow you really don't like him, do you! Rather than continuing to hijack this thread, I am starting a new one in the Lounge on Dunne. Feel free to join in.

 

Thunderbuns

[Guest 7Zach]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

I liked his first book, The Two Mrs Grenvilles, but since based on fact, it pissed me off later in that he made up so much of the story. And then goes and tells everyone based on the true story. And the true story was plenty good enough. But I am sensitive to fictionalized history, hence i just hate anything by - Christ, can't remember his name, but who was screenwriter for Midnight Express and directed Nixon and JFK. Just flat fucking out making history, and it these three movies, rewrote history to serve his own needs.

Back to Dunne, his later books were not as good, and as his fame grew, he sorta just morphed into a caricature of what he wanted to be - erudite, polished, knowledgable. He hit new highs in just being a puff with his recent diary in Vanity Fair and his show. The diary is worse than any gossip columns, and he makes the most stupid claims. Guarantee you, if he plays on the gay team, he's a size queen and bottom. And despite his contentions otherwise, he confuses class with money. Hence his fascination with the kennedys, trumps, and nancy reagan. Think I'll go into therapy over why I think he is so despicable.

[Guest Thunderbuns]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

Christ, can't remember his name, but who

>was screenwriter for Midnight Express and directed Nixon and

>JFK. Just flat fucking out making history, and it these

>three movies, rewrote history to serve his own needs.

 

Are you referring to Oliver Stone?

 

>Back to Dunne..........

>Think I'll go into therapy over why I think he is so despicable.

 

 

Wow - I never realised so many guys would hate him. I really intend to post a new thread about him but it will have to wait until tomorrow.

 

Thunderbuns