Escort or Hustler

[Guest Collie]

What makes the distinction between a "hustler" and an "escort". The reason I ask is because I have been seeing a man for several months and really enjoy our time together. He is a really beautiful person, both inside and out, and I tell him all the time. He once referred to himself, rather derisively as a "hustler", as to how he made a living. I tried to explain how destructive to his total consciousness it is for him to have a negative image of himself. He runs an ad in a gay newspaper and I don't know if he is with an agency or any other form of advertising. I really love him because he is truly a "good" person, so we spend lots of time talking philosophy and psychology where I point out that sex really has nothing to do with morality or whether a person is good or bad. I am totally baffled by the luke warm outrage in the country today over the corporate theives as compared with Bill Clinton getting his penis sucked. But in any event, sex always gets the bum rap and good people have their self esteem shredded. But, still the question...when is one a hustler and one an escort.

[Guest mplsmn]

>He is a really beautiful person, both inside and out, and I

>tell him all the time. He once referred to himself, rather

>derisively as a "hustler", as to how he made a living. I

>tried to explain how destructive to his total consciousness

>it is for him to have a negative image of himself

 

It sounds like this guy is a real gem (sounds like an Escort, not a Hustler to me, too) and you are treating him as such. Awhile back, I was seeing an escort that grew up in South America and had recently immigrated here. Initially, his English was somewhat limited and he would use words in the wrong context or just use the wrong word. At times, it was humorous, but sometimes sad. Being a former ESL teacher, I made it a part of my "tip" to improve his vocabulary whenever it was opportune. I remember one of our first appointments when he referred to himself as a "hawker", when he meant "hooker". This led to a mini-lesson regarding the two words -- used the example of the guy "hawking" Rolexes on the corner, as opposed to the guy who sells Rolexes at Helzbergs, etc. We then moved to putting "hooker" in its context, and I taught him the term used commonly in some Asian countries of Comfort Boy and its context. To this day, his eyes sparkle and he smiles when using the term Comfort Boy. So what does this have to do with Escort or Hustler? To me a Hustler truly "hustles" whether on the corner, at the park or in the bars/baths. Might it not be similar to fast food vs fine dining? I never felt a true hustler ran an ad in a reputable publication or worked with an agency, etc. True, a Hustler might have some of the positive personal attributes of an Escort, but he doesn't market them as part of the package. What do others think about this? By the way, thru this site's reviews and message threads, I have really made informed choices with escorts, learned an incredible amount about sex, health and politics, too. Thanks, guys!

[Guest DevonSFescort]

I don't think there's a whole lot of precision in how the terms get used. Probably the most practical distinction is that with someone who call himself an escort you find out about him from an ad or website or agency, and you can call or email him (or his agency) -- or at the VERY least page him -- as a way of arranging your first meeting, whereas a hustler you'd have to be on the lookout for, either cruising down a street or cruising in a "hustler bar" (they never seem to call them "escort bars").

 

On a less tangible level, the word "escort" generally evokes a sense of discretion and implies a certain ability and willingness to comply with most "civilized" (middle class) social norms -- being clean, conversationally functional, and someone you could take to dinner (whether you actually would or not).

 

The term "hustler" usually carries a more of a seedy connotation -- it evokes the idea that there is something sketchy, dirty, low-rent or dangerous about the person. Maybe you don't want to leave him alone in the room; maybe he's running some kind of rip-off; maybe he's cracked out; maybe there's just something skanky about him. On the other hand, it can also, for some people, carry a romantic, outlaw edge, and therefore not necessarily be used as an insult -- you know, it's whatever's dangerous about him that's sexy.

 

If you think of your clients as 'johns' you're a hustler.

 

Where the water gets muddy: Obviously, some escorts conduct themselves in a way that makes them hustlers. Then there are variations on usage: I think Aaron Lawrence used the term 'cyberhustling' to refer to looking for business in chat rooms -- there is the working of a type of public space that parallels the hustler's process. However, many clients hire boys off of AOL and think of them as escorts rather than hustlers. Again, the ability to email them and maybe look at even a free web page makes a difference in the perception.

 

Rick Whitaker worked for an agency but called his book 'Assuming the Position' a memoir of hustling. Indeed, I thought a lot of his attitudes and some of his behavior described in the book were hustler-like.

 

I sometimes refer to myself as a whore or a ho -- and some of my clients tell me "don't say that!" but for me it really doesn't carry a bad connotation. In fact, I'd say that all escorts and hustlers are whores, but not all whores are escorts and not all whores are hustlers. They are subsets and not always mutually exclusive. Without knowing more about the context in which he's using the word, it's hard to say whether it's reflective of low self-esteem or not. But you're kind to be concerned, and to want to affirm the good things about him.

[Rick Munroe]

"Hustler" has a sexy, sleazy connotation. I don't think Larry Flynt would have sold many copies of "Escort" magazine. When Derek and I were in LA, we checked out the Hustler store in Hollywood, where we watched in amusement as straight 20-something girls eagerly bought tanks & T's emblazoned with, you got it, "HUSTLER" across the chest. "Hustler" is now considered cool by the masses. Go figure.

 

I'm thinking of opening a Rick Munroe store where we'd sell jeans that don't stay up so you have to constantly be exposing your ass.

[ad rian]

To me a hustler is an escort who tries to extract extra payment above what is deserved. So if an escort agrees to fuck, but oly sucks, he's a hustler. If an escort agrees to suck, but only massages, he is a hustler. If an escort agrees to spend an hour with you, but trues to talk or seduce you into 2 hours, he is a hustler. An escort in my judgement is aimed primarilly at the customer's satisfaction, not extending his monetary reward. An escort who is morew interested in the fdinancial reward (and shows it) than the customer's satisfaction is a a hustler!

[Guest Dan]

>To me a hustler is an escort who tries to extract extra

>payment above what is deserved. So if an escort agrees to

>fuck, but oly sucks, he's a hustler. If an escort agrees to

>suck, but only massages, he is a hustler. If an escort

>agrees to spend an hour with you, but trues to talk or

>seduce you into 2 hours, he is a hustler. An escort in my

>judgement is aimed primarilly at the customer's

>satisfaction, not extending his monetary reward. An escort

>who is morew interested in the fdinancial reward (and shows

>it) than the customer's satisfaction is a a hustler!

 

...and don't forget those that all but demand tips from clients! i knew an escort, now since retired, who was charging $250 in '96 (and he wasn't a porn star either). he spoke derisively of any client that did not tip him at least $50!

 

as for the distinction between hustler and escort reminds of the old joke of the difference between a vase (with a short a) and a vase (with a long a) was that the latter cost at least $100!

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

The Rick Munroe Store - Chelsea

 

ASSociated Press Wire Reports.

 

Since the entire season opening episode of Sex In The City was filmed IN, ON or adjacent to the Rick Munroe Store in Chelsea, there has been a turn over in staff and top management. The web site was so inundated with hits, that the service provider, MCI Worldcom, was forced into bankrupcty.

 

"We're just way too damn busy to keep up with demand. Jeez, it's like these people have never seen a butt plug before. These ain't New Yawkers, lemme tell you." Frustrated current store manager, Rod/Rick, brushed his bangs away from his eyes and appeared to be near tears.

 

"I mean, I was trying to show this Shiek from Qatar how to insert his own RICK MUNROE patented Butt Pleasing Tool, the tight assed model with the retractable tongue attachment, using the RICK MUNROE brand personal lubricant (they like us to up sell, he winked), but every time I got near the dude's butt, his security guards just raised their tommy guns at me."

 

At this point, Rod/Rick did burst into tears, "and that evil Connie Chung chick, she just kept goading me and goading me, 'What's Rick really like?' Rick this, Rick that. She just wanted to hear me call him a bitch! Well, the man is MY GOD. I would never call him any bad names!!! I worship the ground he squats on."

 

Rod/Rick did calm down enough to reveal that what the three top selling items were:

 

1. A personalized contouring and butt shaping exercise program designed by Mr. Munroe himself, including a 253 page booklet, fully diagramed and documented with Hirschfield type artwork feature Mr. Munroe, a fourteen hour video tape (shot from the neck down) of Mr. Munroe explaining the proper techinque for ASS BLASTING your way into a firmer, more shapely rear, and as an added bonus, the 25 minute audio cassette tape, Rick Munroe's Gift Buying Guide to E-Bay;

 

2. Drip dry, no iron, guaranteed not to shirnk wife beaters in black with white lettering which said "Not Me, I'm Celibate" on the front and "ASS MASTER" on the back, with strategically shorn holes; and

 

3. The sterilized piss-stained queen size mattresses which could be inflated with one touch button control and which came in FIRM, FIRMEST and LUMPY styles. All cotton, 250 thread Egyptian Linen sold separately.

 

The establishment recently tied for STORE OF THE YEAR together with the FDNY Souvenir Shoppe.

[Rod Hagen]

>as for the distinction between hustler and escort reminds of

>the old joke of the difference between a vase (with a short

>a) and a vase (with a long a) was that the latter cost at

>least $100!

 

There's a smilar joke I like. The difference between a hustler and an escort is akin to the difference between a car wash and a car "detailing": about $100.

 

Semantics bore me, except when it's Umberto Ecco or Chomsky, the dick.

[+ deej]

>>as for the distinction between hustler and escort reminds of

>>the old joke of the difference between a vase (with a short

>>a) and a vase (with a long a) was that the latter cost at

>>least $100!

>

>There's a smilar joke I like. The difference between a

>hustler and an escort is akin to the difference between a

>car wash and a car "detailing": about $100.

 

A similar joke bandleaders often tell from the podium:

 

The difference between a tromBONE and a TROMbone is the tromBONE costs more than $100. Our TROMbone section will now play....

 

:+

[Guest Ant415]

It is very simple...

 

A hustler has not showered, as he is on the streets. Also, he does not know how to type or use a pc. The escort has showered because he has access, and is usually an accomplished typist.

[Guest Big14U]

When using terms that are sometimes interchangable it really comes down to how you percieve the word.

 

For me a hustler is one who does the approaching of a client. They initiate the sale.

 

An escort is one who is approached by the client.

 

This applies to on line "Escorts" too. If I'm online and someone IM's me, they are hustling for thier next trick. In my mind they are just as bad as those you may find in your local hustler bar/street corner.

 

I've hired both and had both good and bad experiences with both. If I'm in the hustler bar I know going into it what to expect for the most part.

[Guest Dash]

...here is my 2 cents... at some point a 'Hustler' will create a misunderstanding as leverage to renegotiate the deal. The 'Escort' is running a business as an actor where integrity and performance will 'make or break-em.'

[+ Lucky]

An actor???????

[Guest Dash]

...Yup, an actor. (This could be it's own topic.)

 

I love playing on the edge. For the most part I hire out for these fantasies. Maybe it's the Italian in me but acting out sexual fantasies begin to bump up against all kinds of emotions. I recognize this 'edge play' takes its toll on my ability to maintain a healthy expectation/perspective on intimacy AND on who's delivering it.

 

My activities with an escort are 'intimate.' If the escort is doing his job, playing out my fantasy that's so-o erotic I can't get it staged conventionally and/or get enough... He's a damn good actor.

 

What are the chances my fantasies 'are his' i.e. no acting required? OR is reality that my fantasy is the same as the 5 clients preceeding me... I'm assuming redundancy would eventually take its toll on most/any obcessive compulsive escort suffering from sex addiction. He would have to be acting.

 

Now, let's not word-smith this to death!! <g> and keep in mind I'm so f*#ked up I keep going back to the same guy. And yes, its just sex. He just happens to be VERY good at it... and I know when he's arrived on stage <eg>.

 

What was the question again??