Bi clients

[Guest jatlbi]

>I really wasn’t talking about cheating. (Although the

>preponderance of married bisexual men who cheat on their wives

>wives might make you the exception and not the rule.) I’m

>talking about a situation where it’s all out in the open.

 

if a situation is all out in the open, then what is the problem with it? and the "preponderance of married bisexual men who cheat on their wives" is no greater that the "preponderance" of straight married men who would cheat on their wives would be if there were things like straight sex clubs and back rooms where lone straight men could go to have anonymous sex with women. next time you're at the airport check out how many places sell condoms in the airport. the vast majority of these are being purchased by straight married men who cannot keep condoms in the house but will need them for their planned extra-curricular activities while they are away on a business trip. as far as opne relationships go, it was not bisexuals that started wife swapping and key parties. it was straight couples who wanted to have straight sex outside of their committed relationship.

 

>I know that open relationships are not uncommon between gay

>men. My only point is that in my limited experience, a

>bisexual guy is more likely to feel entitled to have sex

>with both genders. This necessitates an open relationship

>or a dishonest one – neither of which appeal to me.

 

there is a difference between wanting something and being entitled to something. i want to win the lottery, i want to fly first class every time i step on a plane, i want to have sex with Angie Harmon (since she's already been mentioned). I am not, however, entitled to any of these things. as i stated in a previous post, i have been in closed relationships. every relationship i was in prior to dating bisexuals was closed, which i thought i had included in the post but did not (never start a post when you only have 20 minutes to finish it). i date bisexuals not because i am more likely to have an open relationship (although it is a bonus) but because i do NOT have to deal with the jealousy issues that you describe.

 

>>no person, straight, gay or

>>bisexual, can be all things to their partner.

>

>I whole-heartedly disagree.

 

two people, being all things to each other, in known as co-dependence and is considered a serious mental health problem. however, if you are all things to your partner and your partner is all things to you, why do you view and post on a male escort web site?

[ad rian]

>I thought maybe one was bigger than the other, like with

>guys' balls.

 

It depends on the silicone and the doctor! Do guys put silicone in their balls too?

[Guest londonfog]

>I have questions for the guys on this thread who are bi. Are

>you visibly attracted to men and women EQUALLY, or one more

>than the other? Has that changed with time?

 

Yes, men and women attract me equally and no it has not changed with time. After all my first sexual experience was a threesome (with a man and a woman):-)

 

londonfog

[Guest jatlbi]

>I have questions for the guys on this thread who are bi. Are

>you visibly attracted to men and women EQUALLY, or one more

>than the other? Has that changed with time? We often hear of

>guys who marry, have children, and then decide that they

>prefer guys. I wonder if they were gay or bi to begin with

>or did they change over time. I have also known guys who

>claim they are straight, and are not visually attracted to

>men, but can enjoy sex with men, primarily passively on

>their part.

 

i consider myself pretty much equally attracted to both. at any one moment i may, however, be more attracted to one sex than the other. call it mood, something brings up a fond memory of a past encounter, a clip from baywatch focuses on the male or female life guard, i watch a law & order repeat with angie harmon, i catch a clip of "The View" while channel surfing (that makes me want a guy), or whatever happens key a preference. as far as my preferences with each sex goes, i like my boys to be boys and my girls to be girls.

 

i knew at an early age that i was attracted to both (had crushes on both sexes) but fought the same sex part of it. when i moved to atlanta i became aware of the local bi group (through an article in the local gay paper) and realized i was not alone and came to terms with it.

 

my first experience with a female was the standard badly done teenage sex. the episode was, in and of itself, forgettable except for the fact that it was my "first" time. my first same sex encounter was with an escort when i was in my mid twenties. i called up an ad, explained the situation, and we set up the appointment that night. that encounter was very memorable, in a positive way. after it was over he said he was a little nervous himself because of the situation. after reading many reviews on this site i realize that to a large extent, i got really lucky because i feel the encounter went as good as it possibly could have. before anyone asks, the person no longer advertises and was in a different city from where i now live.

 

everything from here on down should be considered IMHO

 

as far as starting out one way and changing over time, i really feel that sexual preference is, like most things, a combination of genetics and experience, with the focus being on the genetics. if you want to look at it as pure sex acts, i was straight for over 20 years. when i had the privacy, and financial ability, i had my first gay encounter. had that experience highly negative instead of highly positive, i might still be "straight", but i probably would have tried again.

 

there are people that will experiment with their sexuality. a few encounters does not make a person anything, simply because all encounters are not equal and patterning an important part of your life because of one encounter, good or bad, is just stupid. going by first times, i should be gay because my first time with a woman was really bad and my first time with a man was really good. however, since my first time, in the car in the park, i have had some incredible experiences with women and since my first time, in the escorts apartment, i have had some really bad times with men. had i tried men 10 times and didn't enjoy it any of the experiences i would be happily straight, if all me experiences with women were not enjoyable, i would be happily gay.

 

people who start out as straight and turn gay/bi are really just allowing themselves to explore their own sexuality and there are far more closeted "bisexuals" in gay or straight relationships than most people think, as it is so much easier to be part of one of the groups than to be part of neither. the terms "gay for pay" or "straight trade" are ridiculious. if someone is purely straight than they would not be turned on sufficiently to get it up. if they get hard, they are enjoying sex with men and are NOT straight. straight bottoms are possibly an exception since they don't need to get it up. i agree that it is ludicrous that men who have been cruising gay bars for years refer to themselves as straight, but if these same people also enjoy sex with women than it is equally ludicrous for anyone to refer to than as closeted gays. closeted yes, but not gay. that said, i agree there are some closeted gay males in straight relationships. but, once again, how many closeted bi males and females are in gay relationships?

 

look at the same sex acts that go on in prisons. unless very few straight people are convicted of crimes, the number of same sex acts would be very small. however, in prison, for some reason, you can be straight but still enjoy sucking dick. but, in polite society, if you enjoy sucking dick you either have to declare yourself as gay or, if you're in a relationship with a women, you're lying or hiding something. maybe there's just a bunch of us that enjoy men and women and don't feel obligated to hide it or lie about it.

[phage]

>there is a difference between wanting something and being

>entitled to something.

 

I don’t have a problem with English and am perfectly aware of the difference between entitlement and desire. I used the word on purpose and stand by it.

 

>i date bisexuals not because i am

>more likely to have an open relationship (although it is a

>bonus) but because i do NOT have to deal with the jealousy

>issues that you describe.

 

I don’t know if I’m suffering from Internet confusion or you are actually hostile about this. Surely there is no reason to get annoyed just because someone chooses not to date bisexuals for the very reasons they appeal to you and prefers exclusively gay men for the same reasons you do not. Is your preference for an open relationship any more valid than my preference for a closed one?

 

>two people, being all things to each other, in known as

>co-dependence and is considered a serious mental health

>problem.

 

Now that’s just bullshit. I don’t want to plagiarize regulation, but only in the topsy-turvy viewpoint of this message board would someone who believes in monogamy and exclusivity be accused of having a mental health problem. There is nothing co-dependent about having one person be all that you need. We’re talking about sex and love here…not every single thing in your life. To suggest such a thing is about as valid as me saying that you must be some kind of mentally ill sex-addict because you can’t be satisfied with a single partner.

 

>however, if you are all things to your partner and

>your partner is all things to you, why do you view and post

>on a male escort web site?

 

Obviously, I don’t have to explain myself to you or anyone else, but I’m going to take that as a legitimate question and assume it is not hostile. My partner is dead. While he was alive, he was all that I needed and I didn’t hire escorts. That hardly made us co-dependent.

 

It may be old-fashioned, but there are still many of us (some of whom even participate on this board) who believe in committed relationships that have no room for romantic or sexual outsiders – be they male or female – hired or not.

[Rick Munroe]

>It depends on the silicone and the doctor! Do guys put

>silicone in their balls too?

 

Yeah, some do, but personally, I think it's (to quote Devon) "icky."

 

I've been considering marketing a Rick Munroe Ass Implant...so anyone can feel what it's like to be me. I'm not sure if it's a good idea, tho...there'd be widespread rimming & no one would ever get any work done. }>

 

Just got a call from my favorite cocksucker client and after that, I'm off to the Pier Dance to grope hot boys. If you go out tonight, have fun, guys, & always play safely.

[Guest jatlbi]

first, sorry about the loss of your partner.

 

i have to ask, at any time that you were in your monogomous relationships, have you ever looked at anyone else, either in person or as an image (movie, picture, painting, etc), and thought about how much you would like to have had sex with them? have you ever watched pornography or went to a strip club with your partner. if so, then there were times that there was something your partner was not providing for you and that is what i mean by "inane idea that one person should be all things to your partner". no one person can be everything to another person. one person can, however, be enough to another person that they both choose to not go outside the relationship when they desire something, even strongly, that is outside of that relationship. that is a healtly, monogomous relationship. if, however, two people are so focused on each other that no outside temptations exist, then they are denying their basic human emotions and cutting themselves off from the world. that is not healthy.

 

i am calling you to task (although i do not believe i am being hostile) because your statement(s) "I would never date a bisexual man. The few that I’ve known seem to think that since they like it all, they should be allowed to have it all; so even if they primarily date one sex, they should be able to fool around with the other." and "My only point is that in my limited experience, a bisexual guy is more likely to feel entitled to have sex with both genders." are simply prejudice and perpetuates sterotypes. it is as offensive as if you said you would never do business with a jew because they are entitled to cheat you out of your money. bisexuals can't control themselves, and all jews are cheap and dishonest.

 

and, your feeling that you don't have to explain yourself to me or anyone else is true (and in this case you did). however, if you really feel that you should not have to explain your views or answer questions about your posts, then you probably should not be posting. when you post it should be expected that people will ask you to explain your posts, especially when they feel the views expressed in your post are wrong.

 

me, personally, will be defending my views and answering questions tomorrow. i need to start dinner.

[Guest wndrwoman]

>I thought maybe one was bigger than the other, like with

>guys' balls.

 

How refreshing to hear that there are some clients and escorts on this site who aren't grossed out by tits and pussy.

 

Yes, Rick, it is the same as with guys' balls; most women have a breast slightly larger (or smaller - depending on if you view the glass as half empty or full) than the other.

[phage]

>have you ever watched pornography or went to a

>strip club with your partner. if so, then there were times

>that there was something your partner was not providing for

>you and that is what i mean by "inane idea that one person

>should be all things to your partner". no one person can be

>everything to another person.

 

I don’t believe that fantasizing of this type is the same thing as temptation. Just because someone is aroused by erotic material doesn’t mean there is something missing in their partner – it simply means they respond to visual stimuli. I think we have a very different idea of what constitutes ‘everything’ you want and need from a partner, and I probably place less importance on sex.

 

>one person can, however, be

>enough to another person that they both choose to not go

>outside the relationship when they desire something, even

>strongly, that is outside of that relationship. that is a

>healtly, monogomous relationship.

 

But are you saying that it is only healthy if they do actually desire something outside the relationship?

 

>if, however, two people

>are so focused on each other that no outside temptations

>exist, then they are denying their basic human emotions and

>cutting themselves off from the world. that is not healthy.

 

I’m certainly no expert on this subject, but I don’t see the logic here. It doesn't make sense that because one isn’t tempted, one must be denying something, and therefore it is not healthy. Do you consider sexual temptation a ‘basic human emotion’? You don’t think it’s possible to be happy and content with a single person and not be tempted by others?

 

>are simply

>prejudice and perpetuates sterotypes. it is as offensive as

>if you said you would never do business with a jew because

>they are entitled to cheat you out of your money. bisexuals

>can't control themselves, and all jews are cheap and

>dishonest.

 

That’s a poor comparison and I'm not going to address an off-topic, hot-button issue like attitudes towards Jews. I have admitted that my opinions are based on the few true bisexuals I have actually known, and I have NEVER said they couldn’t control themselves.

 

I’m a little confused about how you can be offended by this in the same thread where you say several times that you will only date or have relationships with other bisexuals. You’re saying the exact same thing, only you’re saying whom you will date and I’m saying who I won’t. Are your reasons – gay men’s attitudes towards bisexuals and issues with jealousy – any more or less stereotypical?

 

>and, your feeling that you don't have to explain yourself to

>me or anyone else is true (and in this case you did).

>however, if you really feel that you should not have to

>explain your views or answer questions about your posts,

>then you probably should not be posting. when you post it

>should be expected that people will ask you to explain your

>posts, especially when they feel the views expressed in your

>post are wrong.

 

Actually, I post here to have real discussions (like we’re having) and not just throw out monologues disguised as opinions. I generally only engage when there is something I want to kick around and discuss – probably much more than some of the other members would like. However, there’s a difference between being asked to explain a specific point of view or being asked a legitimate question about the topic, and being asked to explain why you post here at all. Especially if it’s done in a manner that sounds like, “If you disagree with me than you shouldn’t be posting.”

 

I’ve been participating here for about a year now and have seen this question asked dozens of times. (Reg must get asked at least once a month.) It’s always during a disagreement and it always annoys me – although I believe this is only the second time it has been asked of me. I recognize that I could have been reading that tone into your question which is why I went ahead and answered it after the intial disclaimer.

[Rod Hagen]

>In other words, I am sorry you do not buy the BI thing but

>it is your problem. I am bisexual and proud of it! :-)

 

It's not a problem and no you're not. I realize how self-righteous and lazy this sounds (typical of me) but I just can't muster the energy to thoroughly debunk bisexuality again; I think I've addressed this about 10 times here and at least as many on the MuscleService forum, I'm pooped. And so without once again running through what Kinsey's results really meant, not the common confusions, I have much more faith in what we observe in nature than I do in the anecdotal evidence belonging to individuals who, whether they know it or not, have countless reasons to convince themselves that they aren't, entirely, gay and so feel more comfortable classifying themselves with nonsense words like omnisexual, pansexual, and Bi.

[duke37]

>How refreshing to hear that there are some clients and

>escorts on this site who aren't grossed out by tits and

>pussy.

>

 

Sure no problem! It doesn't do a lot for me but I know a nice rack when I see one.

 

Jeff

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

it's TITS, too

 

>>How refreshing to hear that there are some clients and

>>escorts on this site who aren't grossed out by tits and

>>pussy.

>

>Sure no problem! It doesn't do a lot for me but I know a

>nice rack when I see one.

 

Actually, as a man with a BFA and very visual cues, I think a woman with perky nipples and the right top, is very sexy. The woman at my gym (Crunch West Hollywood), are very soap opera actress pretty and look pretty hot in the sports bras. It does nothing for me beyond a pure visual appeal akin to liking a color on a wall or the shape of a product. Now, when some of the boys bend over and stick a fine-looking ass out while working their delts ....

 

I will let you into my dreams if I can be in yours.

[Guest jatlbi]

if you're not up for debunking bisexuality again, do you mind providing a link to a post where you do? i did a search and wasn't able to find anything from you on the subject ither than questioning men who have sex with men that call themselves straight. i'm assuming don't count as debunking bisexuality.

[Guest Joey Ciccone]

RE: Bi world

 

I've got lots of bi clients. I love bi men. Bi women too. And straight women. Not to mention straight men. I guess I'm all for everyone. A multitudinous musketeer. How fortunate.

[Rick Munroe]

RE: Bi world

 

Yum, Joseph. Love this new pic of you; it's all abs & dick. Very sweet. :9

[Guest Joey Ciccone]

RE: Bi world

 

Thanks Rick. You can't really tell from that little pic, but my "Abdominizer" arrived in the mail a few weeks after my penis enlargement system did, so my cock is actully more developed than my abs. I'm doing extra crunches to compensate.

And when can we see a fresh angle on that bubblicious butt of yours? I'm sure it's been photographed (and plugged) from every position imaginable.

[Rick Munroe]

RE: Bi world

 

>And when can we see a fresh angle on that bubblicious* butt

>of yours? I'm sure it's been photographed (and plugged) from

>every position imaginable.

 

Hey, choosing & posting a new pic, when you're as anal about your image as I am, requires some effort...but now that you've made the challenge, I'll get on it (after I get down on some other things). Give me a couple of weeks.

 

*bubblicious...that's a great word. Actually, I've always preferred Bubble Yum...it's sweeter & juicier. Especially Yellin Melon flavor. :9

[Rod Hagen]

jat,

 

I can't find it either, so I suppose it's been longer than I thought since the last time. It's sort of like religion in that it's a losing battle (and yet I don't learn my lession, do I?). People WANT to believe they're not completely gay, in fact have many reasonable reasons to deny it, and so no amount of pointing to Kinsey or the natural world (human beings are much more complicated than animals...blah blah) will convince them otherwise. Much of what I said in the "straight" thread probably applies; just tweek it.

[Uncle Bill]

I don't want to start this all over again, but I honestly don't understand the sensitivity towards labels or whether it is possible to be bisexual. I say that I'm "bi" since that seems to communicate my feelings better -- I AM sexually attracted to certain members of both genders. I seem to prefer men more than women at this point (at least the ones that I'm able to get these days) -- but I certainly would not resist a pass from a gorgeous girl (whether paid for or not). If you prefer, you can call me "gay" -- I don't really care. But if there are escorts out there who care about whether I sleep with women as well as guys, it would seem that I should use some sort of qualifier in the description that I provide of myself to the escort. I use the term "bi" to do just that -- as well as mention that I'm married (since, from previous threads, I KNOW that there are escorts out there who care about that -- for good or bad).

 

The bottom line is that I share a lot about myself with the escort prior to our meeting to make sure that we are compatible. If the escort cares that I like girls, am married, too overweight, too old, too vanilla, whatever, I have no problem with the person saying "No, thanks" since anything else will probably result in a disappointing meeting. If I can tell from an escort's profile or communications that the escort might have a problem with something about me, or if I have a problem with something about them (since I have my preferences and values systems as well), I go on to the next person. No harm, no foul. As a result of all of this, neither the escorts that I've hired nor I have had any surprises -- at least not related to me.

[Guest Joey Ciccone]

>I realize how self-righteous and lazy this sounds (typical of me) but I just can't muster the energy to thoroughly debunk bisexuality again;<

 

This is terribly funny, terribly pretentious, and terribly naive to boot.

 

>And so without once again running through what

>Kinsey's results really meant, not the common confusions, I

>have much more faith in what we observe in nature than I do

>in the anecdotal evidence belonging to individuals who,

>whether they know it or not, have countless reasons to

>convince themselves that they aren't, entirely, gay and so

>feel more comfortable classifying themselves with nonsense

>words like omnisexual, pansexual, and Bi.

 

Rod, it sounds like you've got your gay blinders on if the natural occurrences you observe lead you to think that all bisexuality is a lie and all those who practice it are liars. A very narrow view. Either blinders are to blame, or you're just not hanging out with a varied enough crowd if you don't see rampant bisexuality in your environment. And how exactly do you define gay, anyway? Furthermore, why cling to that quack Kinsey's results? His "groundbreaking" findings on human sexuality were prepared in the 1940's, a different age altogether, and among his test subjects were a cross section of prisoners and accused sex offenders. Completely irrelevant when trying to determine to the sexual preferences of the general populace.

 

Step out of the dark ages and into a bright, bisexual future. Or at least stop telling bisexuals that we're full of nonsense. Some may find it offensive.

[ad rian]

>People WANT to believe they're not completely gay,

>in fact have many reasonable reasons to deny it, and so no

>amount of pointing to Kinsey or the natural world (human

>beings are much more complicated than animals...blah blah)

>will convince them otherwise.

 

I don't want to jump all over you either, but why could not someone follow your logic and conclude that thee are no bisexuals, but only those who are completrely straight but who have many reasonable reasons to deny it?

[Guest wndrwoman]

RE: Bi world

 

Upon further reflection, maybe a "Bi-Escorts" page, instead. Eh?

[Guest wndrwoman]

RE: Bi world

 

>I've got lots of bi clients. I love bi men. Bi women too.

>And straight women. Not to mention straight men. I guess I'm

>all for everyone. A multitudinous musketeer. How fortunate.

 

 

(I'd hire you in a second, Joey!) :9

 

Hey Wolfman,

 

Hope you don't mind me using your thread to do some shameless self-promoting for my research on male escorts/female clients, but since few have answered my thread about males escorts who see women clients:

 

-What do you guys (escorts) think about a section of "Escort Reviews" being dedicated to escorts who also see women clients? HooBoy?

 

Tina

[Guest Joey Ciccone]

RE: Bi world

 

>(I'd hire you in a second, Joey!) :9

 

And I'll be counting the seconds until you do. ;-) :9

 

>-What do you guys (escorts) think about a section of "Escort

>Reviews" being dedicated to escorts who also see women

>clients? HooBoy?

 

I think it's a fabulous idea, but it might take awhile before that section gets many visitors.

 

It's funny that you, a woman, should suggest such a thing for a "gay" site while at the same time there's another thread brewing in the Lounge about Yoko breaking up the Beatles.

 

I still think it's a fine idea. I'll bet Hoo will as well, once he considers the additional revenue all those women's eyeballs will garner via newly targeted advertisements.

 

BTW, ww, welcome to the site.

[Guest wndrwoman]

RE: Bi world

 

>It's funny that you, a woman, should suggest such a thing

>for a "gay" site while at the same time there's another

>thread brewing in the Lounge about Yoko breaking up the

>Beatles.

 

 

I promise not to "disband" the site. Plus, I have a hell of a better singing voice than Yoko.

 

But I've said it before...look around if you don't believe me: there are no sites for women where male escorts advertise. And my research is beginning to show me that there are no Richard Gere types who are totally straight escorts, catering to women only. So, it's not that difficult to understand why I'm here....

Plus, where else could I get my daily Rick Munroe humor from?

 

Ummm....whatcha doing this weekend, Joey?:9