Bi clients

[Guest wolfman]

I was in Houston recently on an extended business trip and called a escort who was highly recommended and has had good reviews. While making plans to meet, I mentioned that I was Bi (I really do like women and men!). He became distant and finally told me that he did'nt escort for Bi men and told me that I was just kidding myself into thinking I was Bi.

 

This is the first time I have come across this Bi-phobia. Has anyone come across this?

 

P.S. I did hook up with another escort and had a great time.

[Guest BodyWork By Bill]

Probably just individual personalities.... I've had more than one occasion where the wife/girlfriend has called and the client is having a conversation with her while we are still having sex.... lol, it sort of turns me on more actually. I love bi married guys, they account for over half of my clients!

[Rod Hagen]

I don't Buy "BI" either. But I would never turn down someone who claimed to be so, nor would I say that so rudely to a person I don't even know yet. What a doorknob. Hope you enjoyed the NEXT escort.

[Guest jeffOH]

>I don't Buy "BI" either.

 

I used to think this also. But, after over a decade in this business, I've seen it all. I thought guys who said they were bi just were afraid to identify themselves as gay. Like bi was somehow more palatable or something.

 

For years I thought I was exclusively gay. I felt like I had to choose. Those who didn't were just riding the fence. Then, in my late 20's, I realized that I did have strong sexual feelings towards women. As it turns out, as picky as I am about men, I'm even pickier about women. I think Angie Harmon is HOT! So is Christian Slater's wife.

 

I got together with one of my best friends who's "mostly straight" and a female escort. It was an incredible experience. I was equally turned on by both.

 

For me, it required effort to fit the label "gay". I think that for some people, sexual orientation is not a fixed thing. I don't have a need to slap such limiting labels on myself or others.

 

JEFF

jeff4men@hotmail.com

[Guest londonfog]

>I don't Buy "BI" either. But I would never turn down

>someone who claimed to be so, nor would I say that so rudely

>to a person I don't even know yet. What a doorknob. Hope

>you enjoyed the NEXT escort.

 

Why ? I periodically wonder wether I am really BI. I am attracted to men and women, I have different sexual lives with both but I am attracted to both nevertheless.

I can understand "single-sexed" people having an attitude about this. Straight people may think I'm gay, gay people think I am closeted. I probably am still in the closet but not in the way you think. My sexual life is very private to me, the world does not know I am bisexual but on the other hand quite a lot of people do. In that I do not think I am closeted.

 

I just think that sucking a man's dick, fucking a woman and another person playing with my nipples (i dont care what sex as long as he/she is good at it!:9) are the closest thing to heaven I can think of and they are all at the same level!

 

In my emotional life I have had long relationship with women, I have fallen in love with men and the relationship with them was not long but it was not my decision to break it.

 

In other words, I am sorry you do not buy the BI thing but it is your problem. I am bisexual and proud of it! :-)

 

Gabriel a.k.a londonfog

[Guest Ant415]

Some people are just too political.

 

Just wondering, since you hired a male escort, do you hire female ones as well?

 

Not casting any doubt, as I don't know you, but some claims to "bi" are indeed an excuse. Harvey said it best... He'd never seen a bi man that lives with his boyfriend, and sneaks out to have sex with women"

[Guest jatlbi]

actually, if you hang out in the gay community at all, i'm surprised that this is the first time you've come across this. although this is not true of everyone, in general i've found that the gay male community is amazingly hostile towards openly bi males and the lesbian community is even worse when it comes to bi females. this weekend is gay pride weekend in atlanta. in the mid 90's i attended and worked the atlanta bi groups booth at the event. the first year i was still taken in a little by the novelty of it (for me, being the first one i ever attended) but was somewhat taken aback by the seeming unacceptance from the crowd in general. the second year the crowd reaction was more noticeable, but this time i took part in the parade. the reaction of the parade watchers to our group was stunningly bad where, in lots of cases, we were booed and in some cases, things were even thrown at us. that was pretty much the last dealing i've had with any gay organization, even pulling my financial support from every group except the HRC which, imho, is the only major group that does not look at bisexuals as an afterthought or is including us as a fake attempt to appear inclusive.

 

there have been other posts on the subject of bisexuality on this board. do a search and you'll see what i mean about the open hostility. or better yet, go into a gay chatroom and declare yourself as bi.

 

it's sad, really, that the gay community, which is itself fighting for acceptance and equal rights, is openly prejudice against a group due simply to their sexual preference.

 

a bi female that i became friends with over the past year is planning on attending this years event with her boyfriend, who is straight. when she asked why i wasn't going i told her and said if she really wanted to see what "the gay community" was really like, to go walking through the crowd wearing a pride t-shirt and holding hands with her boyfriend.

 

now watch the flames begin

[ad rian]

>Some people are just too political.

>

>Just wondering, since you hired a male escort, do you hire

>female ones as well?

>

I ask another question. If guys could rent female escorts for the same price as male ones, have them blow them without a condom, and be assured of the same relative sense of quality control, would the male escort market be smaller or larger? I think it would be somewhat smaller. I admit that when it comes to sex, the cross-elasticity of my demand (as economists would say) is not price inelastic.

[Rick Munroe]

John Lennon sang, "Woman is the nigger of the world" but I think bisexuals have it even worse. No one ever "believes" that they are what they are. I've always been in awe of anyone who has the capability to love and make love to any gender. They can truly have it all.

[+ deej]

Right you are, my deep-throated friend. :-)

 

It's a pity that both gays and straights (some, anyway) have such condescending attitudes towards bisexuals. I've actually experienced it myself. I've gone to "gay" events (pride, etc.) with a straight female friend. (She likes all the skin on parade, and so do I! :9 )

 

We've walked down the street hand in hand and had GUYS I KNOW sneer at us. These are guys that are perfectly happy to suck my cock in a bathhouse, competing for it even. But if I show up with this sweet blond chick from Minnesota at a gay event they sneer and make snide comments.

 

We just laugh at them. When she needs a hug, she can get one from me and vice versa. We've spent many an evening just spooning watching a movie on TV.

 

It doesn't make me bi. We've never had sex and probably never will. But boy do I empathise with the guys that *are* bi. They're not accepted by either side of the house.

[ad rian]

>John Lennon sang, "Woman is the nigger of the world" but I

>think bisexuals have it even worse.

 

What song was that?

[phage]

>there have been other posts on the subject of bisexuality on

>this board. do a search and you'll see what i mean about

>the open hostility. or better yet, go into a gay chatroom

>and declare yourself as bi.

 

Of course bisexuals exist. Virtually everything you can imagine exists somewhere in the sexual spectrum. But I do believe it is often a cop out – especially in younger guys. If a teenager or a guy in his 20’s claims to be bisexual, I generally assume he is just taking a detour on the road to full-fledged fag. If it’s an older guy who has a decent amount of experience, I assume he knows what he truly is.

 

That said, I somewhat understand the hostility. Although I think it’s kind of sexy, I would never date a bisexual man. The few that I’ve known seem to think that since they like it all, they should be allowed to have it all; so even if they primarily date one sex, they should be able to fool around with the other.

 

I don’t know whether it’s pride, insecurity or simple misogyny, but it ain’t gonna happen. I’m not about to compete with a woman for a man’s time.

[Guest wndrwoman]

>It doesn't make me bi. We've never had sex and probably

>never will. But boy do I empathise with the guys that *are*

>bi. They're not accepted by either side of the house.

 

And guess what? They're not accepted here either, especially if they're bisexual escorts or gay escorts who see women clients (yes, that happens!).

The more I think I've learned about gender and sexuality, the more I realize I know nothing. I've stopped trying to figure out what a person's label is and just enjoy the person for who they choose to be.

 

Tina

[Guest wndrwoman]

>>John Lennon sang, "Woman is the nigger of the world" but I

>>think bisexuals have it even worse.

>

>What song was that?

 

While I'm not fond of the "n" word, I've used that quote quite often.

The song is called: Woman is the nigger of the world

 

The ending lyrics are:

 

W e insult her every day on TV

And wonder why she has no guts or confidence

When she's young we kill her will to be free

While telling her not to be so smart we put her down for being so dumb

 

Woman is the nigger of the world

Yes she is...if you don't believe me, take a look at the one you're with

Woman is the slave to the slaves

Yes she is...if you believe me, you better scream about it

 

We make her paint her face and dance....

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

 

 

On that depressing note, I think I'll go slit my wrists.

 

Tina

[Guest jatlbi]

> Although I think it’s kind of sexy, I would never date a bisexual

> man. The few that I’ve known seem to think that since they like it

> all, they should be allowed to have it all; so even if they

> primarily date one sex, they should be able to fool around with

> the other.

 

it's the attitude that you put here is the reason that i will no longer have a serious relationship (where people think of me as part of a couple) with anyone that is not bisexual. my last four relationships, 2 were same sex, 2 were opposite sex, were all with bisexuals. 2 of these were gender monogomous, one was completely monogomous and the other was that we could be with another person or persons, but we both had to be involved. and there were rules associated with each of the open relationships (the rules of the monogomous relationship was pretty standard). although i seem to be more likely to have an open relationship than the average person, i am no more or less likely than the average person, gay or straight, to cheat on my partner. relationships are about trust, no matter what the sexuality of the couple. the idea that one cannot trust a bisexual really stems from an inane idea that one person should be all things to your partner. no person, straight, gay or bisexual, can be all things to their partner. they just have to trust that what they are is enough to build a relationship.

 

i will, however, have sex with straight women and gay males. i just won't date them anymore.

[Guest wolfman]

Wow! Did'nt know my question was such a hotbed of controversy. Let me just say (and to answer some of the questions) that:

 

1.) Yes I have hired escorts of both sexes.

2.) I only hire when I'm not in a relationship.

3.) I have had meaningful relationships with both men and women. (I was married at 23 and widowed at 27 and lived with a male lover for over 2 years in my mid thirties. I'm 43 now)

4.) My last relationship was with a women and lasted 4 years.

5.) I am not political and do not advertise my sexual preferences to people other than those I sleep with.

6.) When in a relationship, I do not have other partners of either sex.

 

Hope this clearifies my original question.

[phage]

>it's the attitude that you put here is the reason that i

>will no longer have a serious relationship (where people

>think of me as part of a couple) with anyone that is not

>bisexual.

 

I’m not really sure if you are talking about my attitude towards bisexual men, or the attitude of the bisexuals I described. You seem to confirm my (rather huge) generalization when you say that you are more likely than the average person to have an open relationship and you believe it is an inane idea that one person can be enough for anyone.

 

>i am no more or less likely than the

>average person, gay or straight, to cheat on my partner.

 

I really wasn’t talking about cheating. (Although the preponderance of married bisexual men who cheat on their wives might make you the exception and not the rule.) I’m talking about a situation where it’s all out in the open.

 

I know that open relationships are not uncommon between gay men. My only point is that in my limited experience, a bisexual guy is more likely to feel entitled to have sex with both genders. This necessitates an open relationship or a dishonest one – neither of which appeal to me.

 

>no person, straight, gay or

>bisexual, can be all things to their partner.

 

I whole-heartedly disagree.

[+ deej]

>The more I think I've learned about gender and sexuality,

>the more I realize I know nothing. I've stopped trying to

>figure out what a person's label is and just enjoy the

>person for who they choose to be.

 

And the more you realize you know nothing, the more valuable your input is.

 

(Could that BE any more convoluted?)

 

Tina, I hope you'll hang out with us for a long time. You've got great stuff to contribute!

 

I just wish you were with me for the Pride parade this weekend. I always have fun spotting the "str8" boys cruising the gay boys while walking the wife and baby down the sidewalk.

 

It really is all about two people. Period. Gender doesn't matter.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

>actually, if you hang out in the gay community at all, i'm

>surprised that this is the first time you've come across

>this. although this is not true of everyone, in general

>i've found that the gay male community is amazingly hostile

>towards openly bi males and the lesbian community is even

>worse when it comes to bi females.

 

Sadly and unfortunately, I think this is very true. However, being in San Francisco at the moment reminds me that there are places where it is more different. Here, the style is to be more inclusive, including for example transsexuals and transvestities in the parade title and literature. I do not wish to get off subject, let us stick to the bisexual bias, but I do think much of it does measure from the "having your cake" and eating it nature. As someone stated above, how many BI guys live with a gay man and sneak out and have sex with female escorts or females, period? My own experience in college was dating a man who made it very clear we could make dinner at home and he was having sex with me but he took his girlfriend out dancing and to nice places to eat. They just did not have sex.

 

I will let you into my dreams if I can be in yours.

[Guest wndrwoman]

Thank you, deej.

You have no idea how much your kind words mean to me.

T.

[Guest Merlin]

I have questions for the guys on this thread who are bi. Are you visibly attracted to men and women EQUALLY, or one more than the other? Has that changed with time? We often hear of guys who marry, have children, and then decide that they prefer guys. I wonder if they were gay or bi to begin with or did they change over time. I have also known guys who claim they are straight, and are not visually attracted to men, but can enjoy sex with men, primarily passively on their part.

[ad rian]

>I wonder if they were gay or bi to begin with

>or did they change over time. I have also known guys who

>claim they are straight, and are not visually attracted to

>men, but can enjoy sex with men, primarily passively on

>their part.

 

I my case, I like really hot men and women. I began with womem, experimented with men, and now am mostly with men because I mostly rent, and there is a significant cost saving, plus I like getting blown without a condom. From the point of view of an active top, it really does not matter to me if I have sex with men or women. I prefer the way most men give blow jobs. I do miss women's tit sometimes, but then I like the firmness and definition of a young male baody. That is why I say if I could be assured of the equivlent quality of rent women for the same price as rent boys, I am not sure which I'd choose. It would be a mixed bag, I think, depending on my mood and the catch of the day.

[Rick Munroe]

>I prefer the

>way most men give blow jobs.

 

That's what keeps me in business. :9

 

>I do miss women's tit sometimes

 

Which one: the left or right? (sorry, couldn't resist)

[ad rian]

In my own defense, I type with one hand, hence the numerous typos. I try to make quick replies here and don't use spellcheck or hire an editor to review my work. I assume most people can figure out what I intend, but two answer your question directly, I alternate between the left and the right which means I like either and I like both.

[Rick Munroe]

I thought maybe one was bigger than the other, like with guys' balls.