When does the clock start running?

[langster]

I usually ask an escort to join me for a drink(if he drinks I offer him one, if not I have one to settle my nerves) if this is our first time meeting before we go to the room. Should this time be considered "on the clock' or just an introduction?

[BgMstr4u]

As far as escorts are concerned? Some probably think the clock starts the moment the threshold is crossed, no matter the preliminaries.

 

As far as I'm concerned, it starts when the lad starts to remove his clothes (or mine), or actual contact begins. The pre-action, drink phase is a time to wind down after the transportation experience and to acknowledge each other socially and personally.

 

I much prefer escorts who do not watch the clock, but who offer a complete experience, which might last 45 mintues or an hour and a half, but is complete and satisfying.

[Guest jeffOH]

I don't drink, so I rarely meet clients at a bar. If I'm seeing a client for the first time, I prefer to meet them at their hotel room.

After being stood up twice by clients who were supposed to meet me in the bar of the hotel, I won't do that unless it's someone I've previously seen.

 

If the appt. is set for 4pm and I arrived on time, I think the clock starts running so to speak as soon as the client opens the door. That's not to say that I'm going to jump up in exactly an hour to shower and leave. I may stay an hour and a half. Not all clients are the same about this. Some clients want you out the door as soon as they get off. Others like to cuddle and chat(which I enjoy). The only time I leave as soon as I can is when the client is someone who I don't want to see again(which rarely happens).

 

JEFF

jeff4hire@aol.com

[NY Observer]

I think JeffOH's response is a good one.

 

My experience is that when I'm meeting a guy for the first time, I will frequently suggest that if he's comfy we can meet for a drink (or dinner) OFF THE CLOCK beforehand. I make it clear that it's not a condition of us getting together, just a nice courtesy, to break the ice.

 

If that doesn't happen, I agree with JeffOH that once the escort arrives for his appointment, the "clock starts". I think that most good escorts are not clock watchers. The ones I've spent time with have very rarely gone running out of the room after exactly 60 minutes (or earlier), sometimes staying so much longer than booked that I wonder what to do (tip, etc., but that's a different story). Of course, I am always very courteous and respectful of the guy I'm with, so he feels totally comfortable. I have heard many stories of horrific clients and I can't blame the escort for trying to rush those types out of the room as fast as possible.

[Guest Bitchboy]

Since the fee is paid for the time spent and not any possible sex that occurs, I can only imagine that the clock starts ticking when the meeting takes place. If a guy wants to spend time off the clock with you, he'll let you know.

[Guest DevonSFescort]

>Since the fee is paid for the time spent and not any

>possible sex that occurs, I can only imagine that the clock

>starts ticking when the meeting takes place. If a guy wants

>to spend time off the clock with you, he'll let you know.

 

Gotta love that Bitchboy for pretty much nailing it on the head. There is something presumptive, even a little manipulative, about making a decision on behalf of the escort about how he wants to spend his free time without even filling him in on it.

 

Picture it: you make a one hour appointment to meet an escort at, say, 7:30pm, and you've told him you like escorts who don't watch the clock, so he doesn't. You chit, you chat, one thing leads to another, the earth moves, the wardrobe door opens, there's afterglow, he cleans up, you hand him his fee for an hour, you part with a smoldering kiss, you close the door, he turns on his cellphone, still smiling, and sees that it's 8:57. He pulls out the stack of bills you just gave him and there is money there for one hour, not a penny extra.

 

Of COURSE clients would rather not hire a clockwatcher. And most escorts would rather be hired by someone who is not a walletwatcher. If you don't want the escort to watch the clock, either you've got to watch it for him or you've got to ease up on the walletwatching. Why did you want him to sit down for drinks in the first place if not to enhance your experience? Unless he's advertised off-the-clock cocktail hour as one of his "value-added services," it's nicer not to assume he offers it.

 

In my own mind the clock doesn't start until everyone that needs to go to the bathroom has done so, and I generally allow an additional five to ten minute fudge factor to allow for unsychronized watches and some kind of orderly transition to the bedroom, but if a client, keeps me there beyond that without even tipping -- some gesture that says hey I respect your time -- it's hard for that not to affect the way I feel about him, and next time I see him, I'm that much more likely to be aware of the time, which was what he DIDN'T want. It's not so much the dollars and cents as the icky feeling that he doesn't respect me very much.

[Guest ohioguy13]

I know for me it depends on the escort...

I have a few regulars that it doesn't make a difference. I hire them for an "session" and we usually finish within that time (an hour or a bit more)...they choose to stay longer...WHICH IS REALLY COOL...;-)

I have others that when the hour is up...gone...

My more regular guys... we have established a repore that is cool. They know I don't have gobs of money, but I truely appreciate their company and they are really cool about it. I guess thats why I continue to see them. I have become friends with a couple of my regulars and it always seems to go over time... But it gets paid back in other ways I guess...and hope!!!!

I talk to my regualars frequently and I think it helps.

They know me and I know them.

It makes for a very comfortable atmosphere...and makes the rest extrememly HOT

[Guest JH]

Devon - I like that term, walletwatching.

 

Although I'm a client, for the past couple of years I've been irritated by the term "clockwatcher" particularly as it seems to be routinely thrown at escorts who don't run over their allotted time.

 

We're supposed to be hiring professionals; try running over time with a lawyer, a doctor or any other consultant and you'd expect to pay extra. If you want to do drinks and have dinner, then hire overnight, when there's plenty of time to get to know each other. For a one hour "road test" then just hop in and start driving!

[Rick Munroe]

>it's not so much the dollars and cents as the

>icky feeling that he doesn't respect me very much.

 

"icky"? :7 You're killing me with these California-isms.

(btw, in New York, we say "yechy" or "uchy" with the ch pronounced as in the words "chutzpah" and "challah")

[Guest DevonSFescort]

>"icky"? :7 You're killing me with these California-isms.

>(btw, in New York, we say "yechy" or "uchy" with the

>ch pronounced as in the words "chutzpah" and

>"challah")

 

"Yechy?" That's totally grodified, dewd! :o

[Guest topsfstud]

I agree with Devon 100%. The arrangement, afterall, is time for money. That means the only way we can do this, and not run afoul of the law, is for clients to pay for the time ... whether they spend it drinking, talking or whatever is up to them

 

I'm very glad that clients have recognized (in reviews on me) that I'm not a "clockwatcher." But we should mutually respect each other, and our time.

 

Jake Walker

topsfstud@aol.com

[Guest Bitchboy]

>I agree with Devon 100%. The arrangement, afterall, is time

>for money. That means the only way we can do this, and not

>run afoul of the law, is for clients to pay for the time ...

>whether they spend it drinking, talking or whatever is up to

>them

 

 

Hey, I resent that. I'm the one that said that, not Devon - he's just agreeing with me. I guess you won't be getting a call from me on my next trip to SF!

;-)

[Guest DevonSFescort]

>Hey, I resent that. I'm the one that said that, not Devon -

>he's just agreeing with me. I guess you won't be getting a

>call from me on my next trip to SF!

>;-)

 

On your next trip I hope you'll remember, Bitchboy, that I not only correctly attributed your comments, but expressed my love to you for making them.

 

That number again is 415.577.7321. :*

[Guest Bitchboy]

>On your next trip I hope you'll remember, Bitchboy, that I

>not only correctly attributed your comments, but expressed

>my love to you for making them.

>

>

With those nipples, you don't even have to open your mouth (as long as I can!).

 

:9

[Guest DevonSFescort]

>With those nipples, you don't even have to open your mouth

>(as long as I can!).

>

>:9

 

Just remember to close it again once the twins are inside... }>

[Guest MikeConway]

Thats a really good question. If you wanted to be anal about it, it would be as soon as you arrive. As the rate is for the time. However, I don't like to just walk in and whip my pants off. I like to enjoy a drink, and some chat. It puts the client at ease, and it gets me a chance to get to know the client a bit better. More personal I think. I feel more like a person, than a cock to fuck with.

 

If we get chatting for awhile (I tend to talk a bit) I don't say the hours up. But I don't guage it by when we start having sex as well. I always say for an hour instead of session, as there are people that will and did in my experience take advantage. I say its a guidleline, as clients would keep me for several hours and think they would pay me for one hour as its for a "session" There is no way I would every say, Time is Up, one hour has passed, its kinda like being at the shrink all emotional in tears, and he coldly says "ok time is up, gotta go" and you are mess, Laff, Just translate that to just about to come, and the escort says "times up"

 

Mike in Toronto

[Guest topsfstud]

Sorry about my arguably sloopy writing Bitchboy. I did not mean to fail to attribute the "time-for-money" exchange to you!

 

I was merely stating that I agreed with what Devon said, and then added my own two cent's worth ... that the reason I agree with Devon is BECAUSE the arrangment is TIME-for-money.

 

Without question then, I also agree with you, and now suggest that everyone read Bitchboy's post above so that you can all see that he was the first one to point out the nature of the time-for-money arrangment. I'm sorry if you felt slighted.

[Guest Bitchboy]

>>Without question then, I also agree with you, and now

>suggest that everyone read Bitchboy's post above so that you

>can all see that he was the first one to point out the

>nature of the time-for-money arrangment. I'm sorry if you

>felt slighted.

 

 

Oh, shucks, Jake, that little faux pas is long forgotten. In fact, after I took a look at your body, I barely remembered my own name. Unfortunately, a little of-the-clock time with you is about all my b/f would tolerate right now.

[Guest cuteby95]

well I have never really had an experience where the client didn'tkeep me for longer and didn't pay for it but that isn't really the issue to me I guess. The clock to me does start upon arrival, this however does not mean that any extra time (10,15,30 ) min should be payed for. But on the other hand, if it turns into 2 hours, 3 hours, my time is very valuable and I would expect the client to realize the time he used and compensate (tip, etc)

 

But as I said I haven't really had an issue with this sowho knows. Maybe clients will read this and say hey?? I did someone wrong in the past.

 

 

 

 

:+

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Egg timers

 

I tell them I do not put an egg timer by the bed side.... But Devon and the clients all made excellent points above as have the other escorts. Very considered responses.

 

Each escort has, I feel, their own approach and as I always tell the guys I work with: it's your money. You wouldn't hire any other professional without a recommendation or consultation and the opportunity to ask questions: this is identical. I believe in communication, so that the client gets what he expects, the escort knows what the client wants and needs are filled. This is how I see my role so I must agree most wholeheartedly with Mike Conway

 

>That's a really good question. If you wanted to be anal about it, it would be as soon as you arrive.

> However, I don't like to just walk in and whip my pants off. I like to enjoy a drink, and some chat. It puts

>the client at ease, and it gets me a chance to get to know the client a bit better. More personal I think.

> I feel more like a person, than a cock to fuck with.

>

>Mike in Toronto

 

If the man is bisexual, married, etc. I tend to spend some time relaxing with them first, to set them at ease. I consider an hour to be up to 90 minutes and I make this very clear before hand. I also tell them that if we go over 90 minutes, then I will expect them to compensate me for their time. I always leave it to the client to decide in these circumstances and essentially think of the additional money as a tip, unless we both agreed up front and in advance that it was going to be a three hour hire or a five hour hire or an overnight. [No client but one has ever "stiffed" me in any manner.] I agree with comments elsewhere that escorts should NOT expect tips as professionals, but if we provide something additional, as a lawyer would bill you for EACH and EVERY minute he spends with you, when the escort clearly has spent over an hour extra with you, just paying him for one hour is showing disrespect. Escorts should not drag out time to pad his bill, but I also agree with the escort who said that some clients clearly want you out of their space immediately.

 

My stiff? Last weekend I met a client in Palm Springs at a bar at 11:30 p.m., he bought me one drink, I bought him one as well, we went back to my guest house and got there at approximately 12:15. He stayed until shortly after 2 p.m. and I finally had to mention (very nicely) that it was time for me to get some sleep. He paid me for an hour in call. He offered a massage when we got to my room, so I did not count the time at the bar or the 20 minute massage he gave me but this client got nearly three hours of my time of which more than 90 minutes was spent having actual sex. You tell me, did I at least deserve the courtesy of being treated with professionalism and did he show me that by throwing his money on the bed as he slammed the door on his way out, loudly waking the guests in the room next to mine?

 

By the way, this client was having his first experience with hiring and has since said profusely he regrets being rude and would like to hire me again. Now tell me, if you were me, what would you do?

[Guest Thunderbuns]

RE: Egg timers

 

>My stiff? Last weekend I met a client in Palm Springs at a

>bar at 11:30 p.m., he bought me one drink, I bought him one

>as well, we went back to my guest house and got there at

>approximately 12:15. He stayed until shortly after 2 p.m.

>and I finally had to mention (very nicely) that it was time

>for me to get some sleep. He paid me for an hour in call.

>He offered a massage when we got to my room, so I did not

>count the time at the bar

 

I've never heard of a situation where the time spent at a bar would be on the clock. Or do I misunderstand you? I assumed on first read that you met (as in picked-up - made initial contact) at the bar. But on 2nd thought perhaps he contacted you via e mail/phone earlier and you agreed to meet at the bar.

 

>By the way, this client was having his first experience with

>hiring and has since said profusely he regrets being rude

>and would like to hire me again. Now tell me, if you were

>me, what would you do?

 

What the hell - he was man enough to apologize, admit he was wrong and wants to meet you again. Why not? Don't think you have much to lose and he might end up being a long time client. And you can clarify the rate and time thing very firmly in advance to the meeting.

 

Thunderbuns

[Guest Thunderbuns]

RE: Egg timers

 

>I tell them I do not put an egg timer by the bed side....

>But Devon and the clients all made excellent points above as

>have the other escorts. Very considered responses.

 

There is an escort in Vancouver that I see from time to time, and he has a very nice way of taking care of the "time" problem.

 

He has a few CDs he uses - some he has made himself, others not - that last just over an hour. He puts one on at the start of the session (once we are undressed and poised, so to speak) and he can tell by what the CD is playing, more or less how far into the session it is and judge what should be happening around that time. The final climax usually coincides with the end of the disk. I leave satisfied, he has respected his time table without being obvious and it is a win-win situation.

 

Thunderbuns

[Traveller]

RE: Egg timers

 

>He has a few CDs he uses - some he has made himself, others

>not - that last just over an hour. He puts one on at the

>start of the session (once we are undressed and poised, so

>to speak) and he can tell by what the CD is playing, more or

>less how far into the session it is and judge what should be

>happening around that time. The final climax usually

>coincides with the end of the disk. I leave satisfied, he

>has respected his time table without being obvious and it is

>a win-win situation.

 

Damn. Don't you get tired hearing the Minute Waltz over and over. Oh, you must not have meant Matty. Sorry.

 

Later.

 

PS. Drew, you know I'm just funnin' ya.

[Guest jeffOH]

RE: Egg timers

 

Franco...yes, you should have been paid for the entire time, but only if you had made it clear to the client in advance. Sounds to me like a lesson learned the hard way. It's a good idea to ask the client how long a session they would like prior to your meeting them. Then it's up to you to kick them to the curb/or leave when the agreed upon time is over.

 

JEFF

jeff4men@hotmail.com

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

RE: Egg timers

 

>Franco...yes, you should have been paid for the entire time,

>but only if you had made it clear to the client in advance.

>Sounds to me like a lesson learned the hard way. It's a good

>idea to ask the client how long a session they would like

>prior to your meeting them. Then it's up to you to kick them

>to the curb/or leave when the agreed upon time is over.

>

>JEFF

>jeff4men@hotmail.com

 

So this is how a thread works. OK, please let me clarify. I did not intend to charge the client for the time in the bar and if I had, I would have expected him to buy me the second round as well, as we were not "friends" out drinking together. We had chatted on line several times, we had spoken on the phone twice before, this client wanted an incall session and being a beginner I assumed he didn't know how to set these things up and would be more comfortable meeting in a public place near the gay guesthouse I was staying in (remember this is Palm Springs, I am based in LA). The lesson did not need to be learned what bothered me was his rudeness and disrespect. When we spoke on line the second time, I pointed out to him another escort would have told him after an hour of time that the session was done, but I waited until the client was "satisfied" so to speak. I believe in client relations .... I always view any client as one whom I should leave feeling like he would want to hire me again, in this instance it might be possible as I will be in Palm Springs next week, but I do not intend to do so at this time.

 

Finally, I too use the CD trick at home, with a wide variety of music, also turning it on when we undress. However, what do you do at the home of a client or a hotel room? I think again, common sense and courtesy should govern.

 

:-)