When does the clock start running?

[Guest jeffOH]

RE: Egg timers

 

I believe that as an escort providing a service, it is up to me to ask the client how long a session they want. That would have been the "professional" thing to do. I got the impression that you expected to be paid more when you prefaced this story by describing it as a "stiff" and when you said he got nearly 3 hours and 90 mins. of sex. It would have been nice if he had tipped you considering the amount of time you had spent with him, but still, if you hadn't determined this in advance or at some point during that nearly 3 hours

you could have asked him how long he wanted to stay. Since you didn't do this, the client assumed that an hourly rate was adequate.

 

As far as his rudeness, who cares? If you don't want to see him again, don't! But if you do, be very clear about your rates, the length of your sessions and how long you'll be with him. This way you can avoid as much frustration as possible.

 

JEFF

jeff4men@hotmail.com

[Guest DevonSFescort]

RE: Egg timers

 

>Finally, I too use the CD trick at home, with a wide variety

>of music, also turning it on when we undress. However, what

>do you do at the home of a client or a hotel room?

 

I have a friend who used to escort, and it was actually part of his routine that he'd bring his own CD (he'd have a Walkman with speakers with him in case it was needed, put I imagine he usually used the client's system) and do a strip tease to the opening track. He had the kind of personality that could pull this off (unlike yours truly).

 

Another plus about the CD trick is that music, like the sense of smell, has the tendency to trigger powerful associations. We associate certain songs with sex after awhile, and hearing them can help put us into "the zone" where we want to make whoopie. Of course, as you say you've got to vary the music, or else the associations become stale...

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

prior arrangements

 

>It would have been nice if he had tipped you considering the amount of time you

> had spent with him, but still, if you hadn't determined this in advance . . . .

 

I hate to ping pong back and forth but I didn't expect to be paid for the entire time though I did think some tip, no matter how small, would have been an acknowledgement. We agreed on an hour and I always make it clear an hour can be more than 60 minutes but I expect to be paid for more than 75 to 90 minutes, depending on how much of that is actual sex.

 

His rudeness was also uncalled for because the whole situation only arose because I make every effort to provide an environment that does not make it seem like pure commerce and, even then, to do whatever is necessary not to be rude. This client ignored a number of very polite signals and comments until it finally came to: it's time for me to get some sleep, I have an early day tomorrow, it's been a pleasure to have you here.

 

>But if you do, be very clear about your rates, the length of your sessions and how long you'll be

>with him. This way you can avoid as much frustration as possible.

 

I was. He was another one of these people who assumed the hour started when we got into bed. No earlier. And it ended, as another client said on here, when he came and if he didn't, well why did he have to pay? I put it down to inexperience which I why one of the questions I like to ask is if they have ever hired before and how did that experience(s) go.

 

But thank you for your considered comments....

:-)

[Guest jeffOH]

RE: prior arrangements

 

Franco, I've been in this business for nearly 11 years and I have encountered just about every type of situation. I too, try to make my sessions with a client as much like a "real" date as possible avoiding the "commerce" aspect. But, sometimes polite hints aren't enough because a few guys will take as much time from you as you will allow. In situations like that if they're not taking the hints, then it's up to me to POLITELY say that it's about time for me to go or we need to wind things up...something like that. If they would like to pay me for a longer session, they have that option. My appts. don't usually run more than a few mins. to 1/2 hour over. I am not a clock-watcher, but after a while you do develop an internal timer that is fairly accurate.

 

JEFF

jeff4men@hotmail.com

[Guest Ant415]

RE: Egg timers

 

The money and time thing will always make people a bit uncomfortable. Especially for us client folk who, true or not, feel they have to pay for sex.

 

Some escort dates seem to in either way.. strict sense of time, or not a care about the time. During one session then time was about up, and I started to make moves to stop/dress/leave. He said "don't worry -- let's keep going". Well, at 1.75 hours from walking in, I was about to hand an envelope (with just hour's pay and small tip), and he said... that will be $400.00... for two hours. I guess I took "don't worry" to mean meter does not run now.

 

Another time the escort (highly reviewed here) said the time is not an issue. If we are both comfortable, and don't have plans immedietely, no time clock. He does not make this statement until after he meets a client. The hour is there for a means of ending an unpleasant call, yet filling his side of the deal. In my date I was respectful of his time, I did not want to steal time from at all. In fact, I was kinda eager to part ways. I guess he figured where else could a 22 yo student walk away with over $200 for part of his evening, so why not go longer if is genuinely a nice time.

 

Another time the escort literally looked at the alarm clock next a few times after 45 mins or so (45 mins from when he arrived). The session was fair at best, so I got up (politely - not in a pissy fit), and washed, dressed, and ended the date. He asked what's wrong.. and I replied that his repeated time checks indicated he was eager for the hour to be over, or he had a flight to catch. As guys mentioned above, there are tactful ways of knowing the hour is over. Clients should keep an idea as well. But I think the escort should take the upper hand and mention "time is about over" as they are the professional, and should have a better sense of time.

 

Escorts often mention their time is valuable. I hope they realize this is the case for clients as well. Being late (15+mins) is wrong, and disrespectful. After all any man that has hundreds of dollars in disposable income to spend on boys probably works for a living.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Bad Doggies

 

1. If he said don't worry, you were correct in assuming you would not be charged in my opinion. I would have clarified that, perhaps, if you were concerned in any way, but I would have declined to pay what he ultimately requested. It is incredible that he would assume you would bring along that much extra cash.

 

I often BUT not always let a session run as long as 75 to 90 minutes unless it is late at night (I was with a client until 3 a.m. Saturday who wanted to cuddle. Fine, call me at 10 p.m. not 12:45 a.m. and we can cuddle) or I have a "plane" to catch (usually a gym class or another UNAVOIDABLE plan and I make that clear BEFORE the appointment is agreed upon). If I have a good feeling about the client, I even explain this in advance as well as telling them that if they wish to continue, they will need to let me know and will need to pay for ad.

 

2. Escorts have gotten "flack" on line for back to back appointments and as a top, I find the thought impossible to consider. Someone may desire to and even be capable of getting fucked any number of times in one night, but I find my limit is 2 men a day, rarely, very rarely 3 and that is only because one or more required services which did not require me to perform as usually requested, to be discrete. It is actually the experienced men such as yourself which I often spend extra time with because you "know the drill" and I appreciate your concern for my time and your own. I also often ask, do you need to get going, am I keeping you?

 

3. THERE IS NO EXCUSE for not figuring out a good means of telling time and for not handling the two delicate parts of a transaction (starting/ending the session and payment for same) with finesse and consideration. Literal clock watching give the escorts a bad name.

[Guest jthomp3303seattle]

RE: prior arrangements

 

john in Seattle: I frequently use an escort that has a wall clock that is always set 20 min fast. At first I didn't notice the time until mid-session. I would arrive by my time and leave by his. When I noticed the disparity in times I was told that " the clock runs fast" or " the batteries caused the clock to run fast". But it never was fixed. Once I arrived 20 minutes early, by my watch, so I would be there at the correct time by his clock. I was thoroughly chastised for being early. I like this escort very much, and have always trusted him. I think the petty dishonesty has eroded that trust, and made me question his integrity. As a result of this, I have stopped using him. :-(

[Chuck50]

I guess I am not the norm client but I don't like to think of the time. I have only done overnights todate and like it that way time to get to know them have a nice dinner talk chit chat a few drinks and then the fun stuff and yes maybe a little sleep and a little fun in the morning with a shower together thrown in and maybe even a breakfast before departture. Has worked for me but I am selective and don't do it as often as many but when I do it has been fun and non rushed and lots of fun HUGS Looking forward to my time with Devon coming up soon. HUGS CHUCK:9

[Guest Willy]

RE: Egg timers

 

>By the way, this client was having his first experience with

>hiring and has since said profusely he regrets being rude

>and would like to hire me again. Now tell me, if you were

>me, what would you do?

 

If I were you, I'd see the client again unless you've got such a mental block that you can't give him good service. If the latter, tell him that.

 

But look, Franco, the man apologized to you. That's a rare act. Tell me, have you never said or done anything you regretted?

[guyinsf]

RE: Egg timers

 

A recurring theme here is people making various assumptions.

 

As to the original question, you cannot and should not assume that an escort wants to spend time with you off the clock, either to have a drink or do something else. It sounds like the initial poster realizes that he wants to drink to calm himself down, so I would suggest that he have a drink before he meets the escort.

 

Bottom line for many of these scenarios: Clear communication is necessary on both parties' part. Both have a responsibility to make sure there is a clear understanding, and both parties are responsible to keep the agreement or to clearly modify it, with agreement, during the appointment. In the end, though, it's the escort who stands to lose income, so it's important for an escort to develop skills to handle clients who are attempting to get more than they asked for. (Clearly some escorts who have posted in this thread have developed that skill already.) As in almost every other profession I can think of, the escort needs to take care of himself to make sure that he isn't being "overworked and underpaid." Where that line is is obviously different for different escorts. One may feel like anything longer than an hour that is unpaid is unfair. Another may spend an extra half hour and not charge for it. One may set his overnight rate at 6 to 8 times his hourly rate, and another may substantially discount his hourly rate for an overnight booking.

[Guest elwood]

RE: Egg timers

 

Guyinsf hits the bullseye(his posts often do)A client should never assume that an escort will want to spend "off the clock time" with him.If that is what you are looking for..you're going to be frequently disappointed.Does it happen? Sure.But I think it usually happens for repeat business and even then it should not be expected or assumed.People are people and there is a wide range of relationships out thre in the client/escort world too. But in terms of professionalism and escorts...this is NOT part of the transaction.I have certainly spent off the clock time with escorts..but it has never been assumed on my part and I have been with SUPERB escorts where there was never even a question of off the clock time.Bottom line....I NEVER request or attempt to induce "off the clock" time. If it happens it is the escort who initiates it.

[Matt_Vancouver]

RE: Egg timers

 

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>Damn. Don't you get tired hearing the Minute Waltz over and

>over. Oh, you must not have meant Matty. Sorry.

 

HEY I just found this.... Traveller, just wait until I see you again... I can fuck for HOURS!!!!!!!!!!!! you'll never walk the same again!

Matt(has never met thunderbuns...or has he??)

[BgMstr4u]

RE: Egg timers

 

"It sounds like the initial poster realizes that he wants to drink to calm himself down, so I would suggest that he have a drink before he meets the escort."

 

Great comments on this thread. I may be the poster referred to here, so I thought I would respond.

 

Many of the escorts' own comments have helped me here. But for me the issue about the time at the beginning is that while you may know you, I don't....

 

I have hired more than a few escorts "sight unseen" over the years -- particularly before this site started and it was possible to know something more than a few lines of commercial text in a mag. The client does not always know what to expect. The "drink" thing is not about the drink but getting a sense of the escort, and him getting a sense of me. It is not necessary on a subsequent date, but I have been burned enough times by guys who were ripping me off -- not often thank god, but at least once with a threat of violence -- that I have found this little preliminary helpful. A couple of times I have sensed something different from what I had initially expected as a result of this time together and have shifted my expectations and desires to our mutual benefit.