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[JonahSlakes]

I feel like your statement is a bit judgemental.

 

Where are you getting this info from? I can only speak for myself but almost every single Onlyfans I've subscribed to (and it's been many!) was either because the guy had super hot pics on his Instagram or Twitter and had the link to his Onlyfans prominently displayed on those profiles.

 

 

 

I really dislike this model and his "It allows people to customize their experience" just reeks of marketing sales-person speak to me. But hey, it's absolutely working for him! I do think part of Reno Gold's success can also be attributed to his engagement with his fans: he really makes them feel they are a part of his whole life, not just the sex part. And this is absolute catnip for a lot of people. BUT! He posts those "slice-of-life" videos for free on his Youtube channel. A paywall for PG-level slice-of-life content would be a very hard sell. Having said that: he's a shrewd business person, he also monetizes his fans desire to interact with him. On his Onlyfans page, for instance, it clearly states that he only responds to DMs on his Onlyfans account (DMs on all his other social accounts go unanswered) and that DMs with tips attached get a higher priority. Even his merchandise is only available to buy if you already have an active subscription to his Onlyfans. Basically, he monetizes everything, hahaha. Very good business practice of course, because it allows to diversify.

 

I think I should clarify that I was trying to make a distinction between my escorting clients and my onlyfans subscribers. I'm comfortable having two different names because my escorting clients will find me as Joshua Mann for now, and my internet engagement will be united under one easy-to-search brand that better matches my content.

 

It's also worth saying that I'm not interested in extorting anyone. My onlyfans is already over-delivering, in my opinion. I'd like to ask extra for longer videos that need other models for, as the extra work of coordinating, shooting, and editing a 15-20min scene is really an undertaking. I like that on OnlyFans, they allow me to set a "Fundraising Goal" So the subscribers that are interested in unlocking the video can contribute to a low-stakes amount like $25 in $5 pieces, and once the goal is reached, the video is unlocked for all subscribers. I think this is a great happy medium between "Keep paying me or be totally disappointed" and "Here's everything everybody all the time."

 

I LOVE what you are saying about fan engagement. I'm loving engaging my subscribers and trying to get to know what makes them tick. The best internet customers for me are the ones paying my monthly subscription, and I need to know what they want to see so I can cater my feed to them. I'm committed to being most avialable to my subscribers, and answering their messages promptly. I really believe that this the heart of what people are paying for in subscription fees. There's a million jerk off videos and fuckvids online all over, but the ones who want my attention and affection are on my page and I'm committed to them.

 

You think I'm going to keep subscribing for 6 months just for the promise of better content in the future? I know a lot of subscribers actually do just that but it doesn't work for me. Hit me with your best content and then say "You like this? Well than you're gonna love this!" If I don't like the content you're posting now (which, if I'm reading what you said correctly, would be solo jerk-off vids and dick pics which I can find everywhere else for free), why would I stay subscribed just to finally see something good/better/more produced? What makes you special out of the hundreds of guys who've been opening Onlyfans left and right since the pandemic hit? (I'm not being facetious, this is a genuine marketing and branding question you have to answer for yourself if you don't want to get lost in the literally thousands upon thousands of faceless dicks, holes and six-pack-abs that are flooding these platforms).

 

There's a couple of ways to make a lot of money on these platforms: perpetually tease and overcharge for actual content or produce extremely good content at a reasonable price-point (like Griffin Barrows does). The former will definitely get you the money and get you the money faster but a lot of one-time subscribers while the latter, coupled with building a good relationship with your fans, will build a core audience of "superfans" that will, in the long term, throw money at you hand over fist.

I'm offering a promotion for the 6month subscription because the most viewed piece of porn that I'm in is only part of the scene, and I want people to see the rest of it. I edited the video together, and spent a lot of time converting portrait videos into landscape videos, which is really a pain. The Boulevard Man stuff is really popular, and I'd like the release of this video to be slow and appreciated. I don't want to pressure you into a 6 month subscription, and I'm glad you are skeptical. I want your criticism and encouragement, so would you please tell me your OnlyFans userID so I can find you and offer you a free month? I would love more of your guidance. Guys that are willing to speak up about what does and doesn't work are really hard to come by, as most of the disappointed ones will just wander away to something else and let their subscriptions lapse. Tell me what you want and as always I'll do my best

 

As I say above, and I think you were indicating before that, the heart of a 6month subscription is the connection through messaging and catered content. The content flows from my interaction with the subscribers, ideally, and messaging with them gives me a finger on the pulse of what people want to see from me. I'm finding that the most consumed content I'm producing is somewhere between my off-camera desires, and how people project that I am in the world. I'm not even convinced that dick pics are my selling point because I'm not hung, so I'm trying out new things and finding the niche. Right now, I think that is variety, so I can cast a broad net and focus down the road. I just started my first theme week, "Pool Boy Week" and have videos of me doing various sexy activities like skimming the pool, sweating in a lounge chair, inviting subscribers in to the day-to-day of gearing up for a poolside sex scene.

 

The scene is really hot and I just finished days of editing, and I'll ask a little extra from my subscribers to release that content on Friday. Something small seems reasonable for original content that I worked hard to produce. I have 26 fans right now, so if half of them are willing to pay $5 for the scene, that seems reasonable. The others that aren't don't have to pay and will get access all the same. Later, when I have lots of subscribers, I can ask the ones that want foot fetish content to pay for that specific video, for example. I can make an armpit pack, and offer that for the ones that really love pits, and the ones who don't, don't have to pay for it, and it won't be in my feed to turn off the squeamish ones.

 

I think that my subscribers want to see me cum. I think I can commit to showing how I do that solo once a week. I can show them glimpses into my life with invitations for imagining themselves there next to me, as part of the fun. And once a month, I can ask a little extra for the extra work I put into coordinating with other performers that will put on a great show. Then, when people want content that doesn't flow as regularly, or has the risk of alienating a significant portion of my fan base, I can offer it discretely in a message that has a warning label and a LOW pay wall. Does that still seem unfair?

 

It sounds like you have been exhausted by overpaying for indifferent content providers, Wolver. I'm sorry that happened and I hope to do better than them. Keep telling me how to keep subscribers like you happy so I can keep producing content with TRACTION with a pricing scheme that feels right.

[Todd Jenkins]

I just read this entire thread - yeah, I may be trying to get away from work on a Monday morning....

 

My 2 cents: having two personas is - in my opinion - dumb. You are who you are. People are ABSOLUTELY going to find both personas and then it's just odd.

 

Just be who you are - a massage guy for those who want that, a sex worker for those who want that, and show what you want on OnlyFans but don't do the 'charge up' thing. Offer to create CUSTOM videos for fans – some guys are into feet, some are into armpits, some people wanna see your nostrils (everyone has their kink) – and they will pay extra to have a custom video made JUST for them. That's the model I have seen that works the best. I agree with the Netflix Trailer analogy. I have signed up for OnlyFans before ONLY to find I had to 'pay 15-20 bucks more to see 'the good stuff'...Nah, I unsubscribed quickly.

[JonahSlakes]

I just read this entire thread - yeah, I may be trying to get away from work on a Monday morning....

 

My 2 cents: having two personas is - in my opinion - dumb. You are who you are. People are ABSOLUTELY going to find both personas and then it's just odd.

 

Just be who you are - a massage guy for those who want that, a sex worker for those who want that, and show what you want on OnlyFans but don't do the 'charge up' thing. Offer to create CUSTOM videos for fans – some guys are into feet, some are into armpits, some people wanna see your nostrils (everyone has their kink) – and they will pay extra to have a custom video made JUST for them. That's the model I have seen that works the best. I agree with the Netflix Trailer analogy. I have signed up for OnlyFans before ONLY to find I had to 'pay 15-20 bucks more to see 'the good stuff'...Nah, I unsubscribed quickly.

 

Thanks for the feed back, Todd! I do hope people find both personas, and I'm not trying to hide anything. Joshua Mann just doesn't fit what I'm serving, so before I push hard for the following, I wanted to choose a name that was truer to my heart. I would make the switch entirely, but I have a ton of good reviews under verslildevil and lots of links to my profile on Twitter that I want to hold on to as long as the OnlyFans life is getting rolling.

 

I appreciate that y'all don't like the paid extras, but I'm gonna go with this model for a few weeks and see what kind of success it has with my subscribers. I'm not interested in charging anyone 20 bucks for a single video, cause I aggree that is excessive. I think $5-7 depending on the scene and talent is reasonable, but we'll see how it shakes out with viewership. Seems like RenoGold's model is working best and I'd like to give it a try; I certainly don't have his body, but I would like to have his income! Here's hoping-and hitting the barbells ;D

[xyz48B]

I'm more of a "hire a guy in real life" type of client

Same. I’m not paying for porn when I can get it for free. I’ll pay for real time spent together though.

[xyz48B]

There’s something about Reno Gold’s model that rubs me wrong. Every interaction monetized. Not even my doctor charges me to call in to see if I can get an appointment. To communicate with him, you have to at least pay to access his OF. I don’t care who you are, but I’m not paying just to say “hi.”

[JonahSlakes]

There’s something about Reno Gold’s model that rubs me wrong. Every interaction monetized. Not even my doctor charges me to call in to see if I can get an appointment. To communicate with him, you have to at least pay to access his OF. I don’t care who you are, but I’m not paying just to say “hi.”

I hear you. I'm not about to start doing that, because I think it's unfair and inhumane. That said, I can understand how having hundreds of thousands of fans would require restricting access to your time.

[+ RJD]

I hear you. I'm not about to start doing that, because I think it's unfair and inhumane. That said, I can understand how having hundreds of thousands of fans would require restricting access to your time.

 

Yes, but you can choose to reply or interact without charging for it. Griffin Barrows has 560k Twitter followers. He posts at least a few times per day and usually reacts and replies to the first comments on each (probably because he's still on-line), but followers don't expect him to reply nor get publicly angry if he doesn't. I subscribe to his OF page and have sent a few DM 's to him without any additional tip and he's always replied, been engaging, pleasant, cheerful and expresses gratitude. He makes his subscribers feel valued and that, plus his updated content, keeps me subscribing each month. Conversely, I subscribed and unsubscribed to Collin Simpson's page within an hour when I realized everything other than his teasers were additional and he bombarded my OF message box with sales pitches, even after my subscription ended.

[JonahSlakes]

Damn that Collin Simpson pricing structure sounds exploitative. I'm so down to message with my subscribers. Only thing I'm asking extra for is longer scenes and custom content requests (Send me fresh feet pics, etc). I had no idea that this was how Griffin Barrows got so famous but it makes total sense now.

[+ RJD]

Damn that Collin Simpson pricing structure sounds exploitative. I'm so down to message with my subscribers. Only thing I'm asking extra for is longer scenes and custom content requests (Send me fresh feet pics, etc). I had no idea that this was how Griffin Barrows got so famous but it makes total sense now.

 

A few days ago I posted in the OF thread about Griffin, what he offers, his personality, and his interactive nature with his subscribers and suggested anyone looking to try OF or JFF study his business model. You may want to follow him on Twitter if you’re not already. A few days ago he posted the below, which I thought was very generous of him. This is his business but he doesn’t treat his subscribers like ATM machines and he’s willing to advise other guys trying to give it a shot.

 

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[Wolfer]

My onlyfans is already over-delivering, in my opinion.

If I understand correctly, what you're currently offering on your main timeline are solo nudes and are planning on offering a solo jack-off video once a week. I feel this is bare minimum for an Onlyfans, definitely not over-delivering. Onlyfans subscribers wanna see you nude, hard and bust your nut. What else would be the added value of paying for an Onlyfans? All other types of pictures can be seen for free on various social media.

 

I'd like to ask extra for longer videos that need other models for, as the extra work of coordinating, shooting, and editing a 15-20min scene is really an undertaking. I like that on OnlyFans, they allow me to set a "Fundraising Goal" So the subscribers that are interested in unlocking the video can contribute to a low-stakes amount like $25 in $5 pieces, and once the goal is reached, the video is unlocked for all subscribers. I think this is a great happy medium between "Keep paying me or be totally disappointed" and "Here's everything everybody all the time."

That's okay if that's the model you want to test-drive. But just be aware that at your price point of 9.99 dollars there are other gay Onlyfans accounts (Griffin Barrows for example, who's doing really well) who are offering full length scenes with partners without additional cost on their main timeline to all subscribers.

9.99 dollars for nude selfies and once a week jerk-off video is honestly steep. Especially since you aren't an established performer with an already avid fan-base that want to see you specifically.

 

I'm offering a promotion for the 6month subscription because the most viewed piece of porn that I'm in is only part of the scene, and I want people to see the rest of it. I edited the video together, and spent a lot of time converting portrait videos into landscape videos, which is really a pain. The Boulevard Man stuff is really popular, and I'd like the release of this video to be slow and appreciated.

I get that reasoning, but let go of the idea that you want to audience to react or appreciate in a certain way and trying to control it. Your audience will respond how they will respond and you have zero control over it. I recently took a very in-depth marketing/entrepreneur course and he said: "Hit them with your best content from the get-go. This is how you get them to like you. Then say to your customers: You liked this? Well, you're gonna love this (which is how you keep them engaged.)" Putting your best content behind several extra layers of payment walls and forced subscriber loyalty will of course kind of work but you're asking people to patiently hold out for 6 months while they get by only on dick-pics and jerk-off videos? Even major Hollywood studios are fighting tooth and nail for our attention because we get distracted in a heartbeat. That video of you should be pinned at the top of your timeline and the first video your subscribers see.

 

I want your criticism and encouragement, so would you please tell me your OnlyFans userID so I can find you and offer you a free month? I would love more of your guidance.

Sure, I'll DM you my Onlyfans userID

 

I think that my subscribers want to see me cum. I think I can commit to showing how I do that solo once a week. I can show them glimpses into my life with invitations for imagining themselves there next to me, as part of the fun. And once a month, I can ask a little extra for the extra work I put into coordinating with other performers that will put on a great show.

I appreciate that y'all don't like the paid extras, but I'm gonna go with this model for a few weeks and see what kind of success it has with my subscribers. I'm not interested in charging anyone 20 bucks for a single video, cause I aggree that is excessive. I think $5-7 depending on the scene and talent is reasonable, but we'll see how it shakes out with viewership. Seems like RenoGold's model is working best and I'd like to give it a try; I certainly don't have his body, but I would like to have his income! Here's hoping-and hitting the barbells ;D

There's not "thinking" here whether they want to see you cum, they absolutely do. Okay, so the once a month video for a little extra, sure, but again, like I said, there are other performers at your current price point offering all that (longer scenes) all included in that very same price. If all I got for your current price point were solo nudes and a "behind the scenes" video (that's essentially a teaser) that then would be pay-per-view I'd uncheck that "renew subscription" button faster than a top nuts with premature ejaculation.

I feel 5.99 would be a better price point, honestly. BUT! Only my opinion. The beauty of these subscription models is that there is essentially no right or wrong, only what customers will and won't pay for. Since there are outright scammers on Onlyfans who keep making bank it seems like there will always be people paying for what you put out.

 

It sounds like you have been exhausted by overpaying for indifferent content providers, Wolver. I'm sorry that happened and I hope to do better than them. Keep telling me how to keep subscribers like you happy so I can keep producing content with TRACTION with a pricing scheme that feels right.

Thank you, honestly, that's very nice to hear. Oh yeah, totally exhausted. And I'm not the only one. I know other guys too who used to subscribe to even way more Onlyfans than I did (some even 35 different accounts per month) and they've all basically stopped subscribing 'cause the explosive growth of people overpromising, underdelivering and outright scamming people.

[guru68]

Yes, but you can choose to reply or interact without charging for it. Griffin Barrows has 560k Twitter followers. He posts at least a few times per day and usually reacts and replies to the first comments on each (probably because he's still on-line), but followers don't expect him to reply nor get publicly angry if he doesn't. I subscribe to his OF page and have sent a few DM 's to him without any additional tip and he's always replied, been engaging, pleasant, cheerful and expresses gratitude. He makes his subscribers feel valued and that, plus his updated content, keeps me subscribing each month. Conversely, I subscribed and unsubscribed to Collin Simpson's page within an hour when I realized everything other than his teasers were additional and he bombarded my OF message box with sales pitches, even after my subscription ended.

I'd suggest Collin's page on Seeking Arrangements, but he's not visited it in over a year.