Is it risky to hire a scort in NYC right now?

[socurious]

We are having about 300 new cases of COVID-19 in the city alone. I was wondering how risky would be to hire a scort right now.

[Guest MikeThomas]

I don’t think it is risky at all. Please hire and report back in a couple of weeks and let us know how it went.

[+ WilliamM]

I don’t think it is risky at all. Please hire and report back in a couple of weeks and let us know how it went.

 

Please explain what it may not be risky now?

[+ keroscenefire]

I would say there is less risk of hiring in NYC than in many other parts of the country. While 300 new cases may seem like it's a lot, it's actually just a slight uptick from where numbers have been in the last few days and actually less than what they were even just in June. They are also doing quite a lot of testing in New York, (15,000-20,000 tests a day in many cases) and they are only seeing a 1-2 percent positive rate. That's pretty good and suggests there is not as much community transmission happening in the city. At the height of the pandemic in NYC, there were upwards of 70 percent of tests coming back positive.

 

It's quite possible that since NYC was hit bad early, there might be some herd immunity there. Of course that hasn't been proven to be necessarily a thing with COVID, some scientists think it's likely while other say it's not happening. Like many things with this disease, it's pretty uncertain.

 

But it does truly look like NYC is doing much better with COVID and I would feel way more comfortable hiring there then in Florida, Arizona or even California. Of course, ask some questions about how the escort is feeling, if they have traveled recently to any hotspots and if they have been in any large group gatherings. If you have a trusted regular guy, I'd expect him to answer truthfully. I was considering hiring a semi-regular masseur, but he had recently traveled to Texas so I told him I'd reach out to him again in a couple weeks. He was totally fine with that.

[Aaron James]

Agreed. It’s far safer than it’s been for a long while. Definitely check where the escort has been though. If he’s left the city/state in the last two weeks move on. Better safe than sorry.

[former lurker]

Only you can determine the level of risk you consider acceptable for yourself, although with Covid your risks aren't entirely your own. To my mind, NYC is and will remain a hot spot for Covid 19 because of the sheer size and density of the population. The numbers have stabilized, and that's largely a result of the rigorous approach to social distancing, wearing of masks, and limiting gatherings. Of course, any hiring one does in NYC will be the opposite of those practices and be risky. The simple fact of population density means you are never too far removed from someone who has been in contact with the disease and that, should you contract it, you will be in close proximity to others so as to be prone to spread it. So, in sum, the positives w/r/t NYC are that the population takes this seriously, as do the local officials, while the negatives are the population size and compact quarters. That would be too much risk for me to take on.

[+ keroscenefire]

Only you can determine the level of risk you consider acceptable for yourself, although with Covid your risks aren't entirely your own. To my mind, NYC is and will remain a hot spot for Covid 19 because of the sheer size and density of the population. The numbers have stabilized, and that's largely a result of the rigorous approach to social distancing, wearing of masks, and limiting gatherings. Of course, any hiring one does in NYC will be the opposite of those practices and be risky. The simple fact of population density means you are never too far removed from someone who has been in contact with the disease and that, should you contract it, you will be in close proximity to others so as to be prone to spread it. So, in sum, the positives w/r/t NYC are that the population takes this seriously, as do the local officials, while the negatives are the population size and compact quarters. That would be too much risk for me to take on.

 

I think that the density of NYC could actually be an advantage to hiring now. One clinic in Queens had 68 percent of its patients' tests come back with COVID antibodies. Because NYC was hit so bad, so early, there quite likely has been some herd immunity happening in that area, meaning that actually COVID probably can't spread as easily in that area as many others. And actually where COVID is spreading like wildfire right now is in areas that are really not that dense: Florida, Texas, Arizona, etc. The other metrics in NYC are looking pretty good in my opinion: Declining cases (averaging less than 300 a day when two-weeks ago it was more than 300 a day), lots of tests (often around 15,000-20,000 tests a day), low positive rate (only around 2 percent) and high antibody positive rates in many areas (another Brooklyn clinic showed 56% antibody positivity). This shows to me an area that has already been widely exposed to COVID, which probably means they have some herd immunity and can not spread it easily around. There is not significant evidence of widespread community transmission and the government has been doing a good job of quarantining people visiting from other areas.

 

And though visiting with one escort obviously has some risks, in my opinion it's not as high-risk as you think. Probably a single visit to crowded indoor bar or party is significantly higher risk than one visit with an escort, especially if you're otherwise keeping good habits of social-distancing and mask wearing everywhere else. Ask those good questions of the escort before you visit and assume he will answer truthfully. Otherwise, don't feel too bad about hiring.

[buckguy]

The positivity rate in NYC is far lower than elsewhere--about 2% of the population tested with better testing coverage than most of the country. NYC is a much safer environment for hiring than California, Arizona, Florida, etc. Nowhere in the US is even close to levels of infection that would confer herd immunity and it's not clear that being infected provides immunity from new infection.

[Tonyko]

I think you're nuts to hire here now, if that pisses off anyone off so be it. Of course we want to support EVERYONE who's livelihood has been affected or lost by this, and YES obviously scorts are not eligible for UE benefits or the covid emergency benefits (that run out end of this mo btw) if escorting is all they do, but MANY ppl are in the same boat. Scorts tend to be YOUNG (20's 30's) and I can tell you bc I LIVE here; that age bracket is NOT particularly responsible, I see it, first hand, who's standing outside open air bars or on the street no social distance no masks etc etal as if nothing is wrong, and we need only look at Fire Island last weekend (where I share a place and decided to SKIP going this summer) to see these boys packed together partying on the beach in the Palace pool etc. (buds said I was being overly cautious, they don't seem to grasp that even if we stay away from the party scene, we're STILL passing these boys on 3ft wide walkways still shopping at the only market with them side by side still being served by them for take-out etc etc)

Young guys are the largest A-SYMPTOMATIC group. They feel fine.

A scort being your long time regular hire means no more than him being your cousin of BFF or anyone else you don't cohabitant with..

There is NO way to be CERTAIN who can give it to you.

Saying "I'm Neg" doesn't mean what it did for HIV, covid and antibody tests are iffy, I have friends who've changed one day to the next, then back again.

And Unlike HIV, this IS easy to get. There's no safe sex for this. Someone TALKING to you can spread it.

Be safe! Jerk off! Take the $$$ you'd spend to hire and spend it on Paysites.

Wait it out. That's my advice.

[+ keroscenefire]

Wait it out. That's my advice.

You make some good points. Obviously, if you're really worried about getting COVID or passing it on to others (like a vulnerable family member), then definitely do not hire until there is a vaccine at least.

 

That said, NYC is reopening for good reasons: Their actual numbers are looking good across the board and there does not appear to be widespread community transmission. But yeah, like Suffolk County where Fire Island is located is actually seeing a slight uptick so what Tonyko said could be really true. So you have to assess the risk in your own life.

[former lurker]

I think that the density of NYC could actually be an advantage to hiring now. One clinic in Queens had 68 percent of its patients' tests come back with COVID antibodies. Because NYC was hit so bad, so early, there quite likely has been some herd immunity happening in that area, meaning that actually COVID probably can't spread as easily in that area as many others. And actually where COVID is spreading like wildfire right now is in areas that are really not that dense: Florida, Texas, Arizona, etc. The other metrics in NYC are looking pretty good in my opinion: Declining cases (averaging less than 300 a day when two-weeks ago it was more than 300 a day), lots of tests (often around 15,000-20,000 tests a day), low positive rate (only around 2 percent) and high antibody positive rates in many areas (another Brooklyn clinic showed 56% antibody positivity). This shows to me an area that has already been widely exposed to COVID, which probably means they have some herd immunity and can not spread it easily around. There is not significant evidence of widespread community transmission and the government has been doing a good job of quarantining people visiting from other areas.

 

And though visiting with one escort obviously has some risks, in my opinion it's not as high-risk as you think. Probably a single visit to crowded indoor bar or party is significantly higher risk than one visit with an escort, especially if you're otherwise keeping good habits of social-distancing and mask wearing everywhere else. Ask those good questions of the escort before you visit and assume he will answer truthfully. Otherwise, don't feel too bad about hiring.

 

The effectiveness of antibodies is still an open issue. We don't know how long they last, or the extent to which they confer temporary immunity. We do know that people have contracted Covid a second time which should give some pause to those relying on the prospect of herd immunity and immunity from the antibodies. We also have relatively little knowledge of how the virus adapts. Time will tell.

[adventurous old guy]

Noticed that there's an influx of out of town service providers in Chicago now, where our numbers are also low (positivity rate hovering between 2 and 3%). Increasing demand because buyers are more ready to connect because of lower risk? Or providers reducing their risk by offering services in places where clients are more likely to be Covid free?

[Guest MikeThomas]

Noticed that there's an influx of out of town service providers in Chicago now, where our numbers are also low (positivity rate hovering between 2 and 3%). Increasing demand because buyers are more ready to connect because of lower risk? Or providers reducing their risk by offering services in places where clients are more likely to be Covid free?

Yesterday, the mayor mentioned closing bars and restaurants due to increasing cases. There are to many covidiots in Chicago not wearing masks.

[Guest MikeThomas]

The effectiveness of antibodies is still an open issue. We don't know how long they last, or the extent to which they confer temporary immunity. We do know that people have contracted Covid a second time which should give some pause to those relying on the prospect of herd immunity and immunity from the antibodies. We also have relatively little knowledge of how the virus adapts. Time will tell.

Yup... a complicated issue.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52446965

[+ FrankR]

There are to many covidiots in Chicago not wearing masks.

Chicago is not alone. I take the NYC subway to work every week day. A surprising number of people don’t wear masks, have the mask dangling below their chin or just covering their mouth but not the nose. Even spotted a few police officers patrolling Grand Central Station doing the same thing. ?

 

In my book that means it is still too risky. I am sure there will be plenty of people who disagree with me.

[EZEtoGRU]

I think its too risky to contemplate hiring an escort anywhere right now. It's kind of like asking "is it risky to play russian roulette?" The answer to both questions is pretty obvious. No disrespect to the OP of course.

[xyz48B]

I suppose you could calculate the probability based off the positive case rate for the city against the population of the city as a whole. I find raw numbers not terribly useful. 300 new daily cases is very different in a city of multiple millions versus even 30 new cases in a city of just a couple of thousands. Furthermore, if NYC is testing a lot, you’d expect to find more cases as a percentage of the whole.

 

2% of 100 is 2

2% of 1000 is 20

2% of 15,000 is 300

 

The point is just if the testing is effectively taking a snapshot of the moment, and NYC is doing 100 or of 15,000 tests, with a 2% positive rate, the numbers will change. So to say new 300 positive cases means little unless that 300 reflects a change over against other metrics.

[+ pitman]

Chicago is not alone. I take the NYC subway to work every week day. A surprising number of people don’t wear masks, have the mask dangling below their chin or just covering their mouth but not the nose. Even spotted a few police officers patrolling Grand Central Station doing the same thing. ?

 

In my book that means it is still too risky. I am sure there will be plenty of people who disagree with me.

A significant percentage of New Yorkers have contracted the virus and recovered. Many have positive antibody tests. I suspect many in this situation are rationalizing that they no longer need to wear a mask. To be clear, I am not endorsing this stance.

[xyz48B]

I think the mask mandates are toothless – especially when governors and mayors say they won’t back them up through penalties. What will make people start wearing masks if a few people getting arrested and forced to pay $5000 per infraction. It’s asinine to create a public ordinance and in the same press conference tell the public that you’re relying on their goodwill and cooperation to participate, that enforcement will be limited-to-none by the police. Instead of killing black people, the police ought to be arresting maskless morons and fining them, with hefty fines too. What do Americans cherish more than their freedumb? Their money. Hit ‘em where it hurts.

[adventurous old guy]

Yesterday, the mayor mentioned closing bars and restaurants due to increasing cases. There are to many covidiots in Chicago not wearing masks.

I love Mayor Lightfoot's attitude. She channels an effective combo of no-nonsense parent, former prosecutor and (for those of us raised Catholic) that nun from grade school who always made you think you were going to go to hell if you misbehaved, lol. When I go out, I count the number of people wearing masks. Its been around 50/50 in my neighborhood for weeks, with younger people much more likely to be the ones without. But when the Mayor scolds and threatens as she did yesterday, there's usually an uptick. That's leadership. ?

Edited July 16, 2020 by adventurous old guy

[xyz48B]

with younger people much more likely to be the ones without.

A few questions…

1. What classifies as a “younger person?”

2. Are we sure younger people are wearing masks less than older people? Or is that perception?

3. Is the constant line drawing between younger and older generations helpful in building up goodwill as a society to combat this or face any other challenge we face?

 

My experience has been that my friends and I have had to incessantly hound our parents and grandparents to wear the damn mask. So the idea that older folks are behind this lock, stock, and barrel is fully accurate – at least from my own experience. I’d like to see data that shows a statistically relevant survey of age groups complying with masks and social distancing. And not skewed in its sampling locations to wear “younger” people are going to congregate.

 

[adventurous old guy]

A few questions…

1. What classifies as a “younger person?”

2. Are we sure younger people are wearing masks less than older people? Or is that perception?

3. Is the constant line drawing between younger and older generations helpful in building up goodwill as a society to combat this or face any other challenge we face?

 

My experience has been that my friends and I have had to incessantly hound our parents and grandparents to wear the damn mask. So the idea that older folks are behind this lock, stock, and barrel is fully accurate – at least from my own experience. I’d like to see data that shows a statistically relevant survey of age groups complying with masks and social distancing. And not skewed in its sampling locations to wear “younger” people are going to congregate.

 

Well, my poll is informal, and no doubt subjective. But what I would classify as a young person is someone who looks younger than 30. I'm not stopping people to ask, so yes this is based on perceptions and biased no doubt by the official data here that shows rapid growth in new test positive cases in the 29 and under age group.

 

As for your point about sowing goodwill, it's certainly not my intent to profile. I abhor the divisiveness in our country now when we all have to be pulling together. Back to our Chicago Mayor, though she scolds and threatens she does it in a way that conveys we're all in this together and we all must do our part. Love that. And as an aside, I just did my poll running errands. 42 people I crossed paths with today in the River North neighborhood were wearing masks, and only 13 were not. Big difference from yesterday's count. A small sample yes, but -- call me Pollyanna -- I want to think its the leadership message getting through.

[adventurous old guy]

And apologies for diverting this thread from escorts in NY to public health in Chicago. Was riffing, will stand down now.

 

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[Guest MikeThomas]

I love Mayor Lightfoot's attitude. She channels an effective combo of no-nonsense parent, former prosecutor and (for those of us raised Catholic) that nun from grade school who always made you think you were going to go to hell if you misbehaved, lol. When I go out, I count the number of people wearing masks. Its been around 50/50 in my neighborhood for weeks, with younger people much more likely to be the ones without. But when the Mayor scolds and threatens as she did yesterday, there's usually an uptick. That's leadership. ?

I like the mayor as well. But in my opinion the state and city have failed in communicating the importance of wearing masks. Where are the PSAs, where are the mailings, the billboards. They should be bombarding us with how much better we could do by wearing masks. Not everyone watches her press conferences.

[TruthBTold]

I think the mask mandates are toothless – especially when governors and mayors say they won’t back them up through penalties. What will make people start wearing masks if a few people getting arrested and forced to pay $5000 per infraction. It’s asinine to create a public ordinance and in the same press conference tell the public that you’re relying on their goodwill and cooperation to participate, that enforcement will be limited-to-none by the police. Instead of killing black people, the police ought to be arresting maskless morons and fining them, with hefty fines too. What do Americans cherish more than their freedumb? Their money. Hit ‘em where it hurts.

 

Or why not hire people who can't because they no longer are employed because the businesses they were employed with to be a sort of "Mask Squad" that is empowered to write tickets that have penalties. The squad person would take a photo of the person without a mask - sort of like pictures of parking violations. Then have administrative hearings if a person wants one where the picture is part of the evidence to show that the person was not wearing a mask on such and such a day. The person could try to prove they were or they could simply pay the ticket. It could then be appealed to the circuit court if the person wanted to dispute the decision of the administrative tribunal. There we have due process.