xyz48B Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Let's face it, much of the shade thrown at the guy is based on his rates. For that reason, most of the negative comments are from people who didn't see him because they consider him overpriced. None of the people who have seen him say he's misrepresented himself or failed to deliver what he agreed to do. Well, for me, that and that he was very unpleasant and difficult to communicate with. He acted like it was beneath him to communicate and if there’s one thing I can’t stand it’s the feeling of being treated unworthy. Who the hell do you think you are?! If you liked him, more power to you. Not many guys here have had an encounter with him, to my knowledge. A few, sure. And as you say, some less-than-fabulous followup with Joe M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xyz48B Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Guilty as charged. I am trying to get better at it. Lol. I keep holding out hope on some guys too...It’s hormones ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
former lurker Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Well, for me, that and that he was very unpleasant and difficult to communicate with. He acted like it was beneath him to communicate and if there’s one thing I can’t stand it’s the feeling of being treated unworthy. Who the hell do you think you are?! If you liked him, more power to you. Not many guys here have had an encounter with him, to my knowledge. A few, sure. And as you say, some less-than-fabulous followup with Joe M. As far as the communication difficulties go, I think a lot is that he tries to do a lot of initial communicating via sending links to his tumblr posts that outline rates, his skill set, etc. If you follow up after reviewing that, he sends another post with the deposit request and info. I'm aware that most clients expect and are used to more individualized responses from the outset. I found it awkward initially, but I was intrigued enough to get past that. Once you get past all of that, he's a pretty interesting guy. He's definitely asking for a premium fee and that will deter a lot of people from hiring him. Others will opt out once the subject of a deposit is raised. Some of us treat those as bright line rules. Others of us are less inflexible on those scores. marylander1940 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xyz48B Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 I have been burnt with deposit. Badly burnt. I will still do it, but I’m not giving a deposit to continue communication. Part of the point of communication up front is to determine if you want to deposit and lock in or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jomo Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Oddly enough, I had good communications with him. I sent him a text a couple of weeks ago and asked him if he ever got to Dallas or atlanta. I also said I had no problem with his rates. He said he would be in Austin shortly. Didn't work for me since I don't have a non stop flight to Austin. He texted me yesterday, with no prompt from me, that he would be in Dallas Sunday and Monday. Didn't work for me since I'm in Nashville this weekend. I was impressed that he remembered to let me know that he was in Dallas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
former lurker Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 I have been burnt with deposit. Badly burnt. I will still do it, but I’m not giving a deposit to continue communication. Part of the point of communication up front is to determine if you want to deposit and lock in or not. I agree, but in his case the deposit is to confirm a date/meeting. It's not to continue communicating. If you're not prepared to commit, you move on. If you are, you set the date. I get that a lot of clients find that a bridge too far. On the other hand, I've encountered quite a few escorts who tell me they get strung along, show up and get ghosted, etc. I understand why an escort wants proof that the meeting is going to happen before having a lot of conversations. In ILH's case, the posts he sends contain a lot of information about what he's into/good at so you can get a good idea of what you'd be getting. But in the end, it takes two to tango. If you're not comfortable proceeding the way that he is comfortable proceeding, you can/should/will look elsewhere. I'm not suggesting anyone should do what they aren't comfortable doing. What I do find unpersuasive is the certainty expressed by people who opt not to pursue the guy about what he's actually like. They don't know. What they do know is the entry barriers for knowing are too steep for their tastes. I don't see the value in reaching conclusions about attitude, intellect, etc., based on a lack of information about anything other than his prices and his methods of communicating. Your comments have been mostly about those things, and those are reasonable things for you to comment about as you have, indeed, knowledge about them. It's the inferences drawn from them that I find unfounded and that's not what you've done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xyz48B Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 (edited) The inference is that he feels he’s satisfied everything by providing a wall of generic text in order to merit a deposit. He won’t hear a client out before proceeding. The wall of text is, arguably, a way to keep from engaging clients. I suspect most clients won’t engage after that. Perhaps that’s his motive. But to me it shows he doesn’t feel like clients are individuals but rather all very generic and he can satisfy that with a tumblr post. Perhaps he only offers a generic text experience. I wouldn’t know he because he won’t engage enough beyond his wall of text to know. I have given deposits after having been burnt. I’m just not doing it until I’m reasonably certain the provider is going to be able to do what I’m looking for and will get some level of enjoyment out it – or be able to make believe he is. I’m not anti-deposit. It’s just that in order for me to give a deposit the provider needs to be able to reasonably assure me will provide me what I’m looking for – not just some generic explanation about this or that. His generic explanation is not a lot different than many others, so we really have no good idea what we’re getting with him anymore than the next guy. All that, from that wall of text, is inference until questions are answered. Edited October 18, 2020 by xyz48B littlenut 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ MysticMenace Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 I keep holding out hope on some guys too...It’s hormones ? #truth. and tbh the urges from my loins are just too challenging to ignore ?, so yea, I fold, and most likely I bend over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orville Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 You guys are so impressionable. This thread would be way shorter if his nickname was CommunityCollegeVers. $450/hr is just way above the market and unjustified despite his academic credentials or size. PASS. guru68, sbguy, Lazarus and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xyz48B Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 You guys are so impressionable. This thread would be way shorter if his nickname was CommunityCollegeVers. $450/hr is just way above the market and unjustified despite his academic credentials or size. PASS. I’ve said before in this thread I’m not paying for his degree. It’s a nice collateral benefit but immaterial for the BFE. It’s telling that’s what he chooses, of all his qualities, to highlight in his screen name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlenut Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 It’s just that in order for me to give a deposit the provider needs to be able to reasonably assure me will provide me what I’m looking for – not just some generic explanation about this or that. Yep. It isn’t unusual to have contractors ask for a deposit if they are going to work on repairs or updates to your home. But (1) the deposit typically serves the purpose of buying materials to work on your job, and *most importantly* (2) you would have a signed contract with the contractor doing business with you, which protects both parties. In lieu of having signed contracts in this field, I would never be comfortable with a deposit. What’s the purpose of the deposit? If I’m paying you for time or activities performed, then I will pay you once I’ve received your time and activities performed. If I’m paying you so you’ll trust me, then you’ve already indicated that you don’t trust me, so I’m not comfortable continuing the relationship. I’m sure there are other views on it, but that outlines why I will never be comfortable with the concept of a deposit. coriolis888 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orville Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 or make his agent swear for him... ? ? LOL! I wouldn't be surprised if they come out to make comments on this thread, in that sort of line. marylander1940 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xyz48B Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 @littlenut – You make a good point about trust. The nature of the deposit in escorting seems to be that some providers come with a built-in suspicion that all clients are flakes. marylander1940 and Jarrod_Uncut 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMattBig Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 (edited) @littlenut – You make a good point about trust. The nature of the deposit in escorting seems to be that some providers come with a built-in suspicion that all clients are flakes. This is actually the only way to survive escorting from a mental health aspect. *Not to mention manage scheduling and income expectations against flakey, scamming, and potentially s dangerous clients. The trick is to manage those suspicions in a healthy realistic way, as well as very cognitively honing your critical thinking skills for each individual client and interaction separately. Even regulars can turn bad sometimes. But those suspicions should never be allowed to take over or get in your own way. Edited October 19, 2020 by MrMattBig xyz48B and former lurker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xyz48B Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Call me naive, perhaps... But on the whole I want to trust people. I want to. And I want people to trust me. It makes me uncomfortable if I find out that someone doesn’t trust me for some reason, whatever the case. I normally will try to (re)establish trust, but then it becomes hard for me to trust that I’m trusted (again). I suppose that is an insight into my broken mind... MikeBiDude 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlenut Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 The nature of the deposit in escorting seems to be that some providers come with a built-in suspicion that all clients are flakes. Well, that‘s probably fair. And I would also point out that clients are extending the same level of trust to providers. I’m sure any person with a long track record of hiring has stories of providers who no-show, who aren’t who they advertised to be, who arrive under the influence, etc. (Even providers who are well-reviewed here.) Trust is a two-way street. I know certain providers require a phone conversation with clients ahead of time. I’ve always thought this is a good idea, and am surprised more don’t practice this. This can help to build trust between the two of you, while not being so off-putting and risky as demanding payment up front. adventurous old guy and xyz48B 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xyz48B Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 I like a phone call too. It does a lot for the trust factor for me. It’s a good way to see if you’re able to talk to one another too. Texting you can say a lot, but talking you can find there’s a lot of crickets. I know I tend to be a better written communicator, so seeing how it goes for me talking is important. + Pensant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckguy Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 My God 12 pages of this!? If anything the "Ivy League" part should raise suspicion---appeals to status are usually a bad sign, if only of premium pricing that isn't justified by performance. + db66, builder boy, + Pensant and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builder boy Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 My God 12 pages of this!? If anything the "Ivy League" part should raise suspicion---appeals to status are usually a bad sign, if only of premium pricing that isn't justified by performance. Indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_85 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Any recent xps with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwalker Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) Saw him a few months ago for less than the rate he advertises. Matches pics. Definitely very attractive face, great body, v well endowed. Probably wouldn't repeat mainly because there's guys I enjoyed more. But no complaints Edited October 21, 2020 by Dwalker RickyDC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guru68 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 I’ve said before in this thread I’m not paying for his degree. It’s a nice collateral benefit but immaterial for the BFE. It’s telling that’s what he chooses, of all his qualities, to highlight in his screen name. Truth - more about the D than the Ph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guru68 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 You guys are so impressionable. This thread would be way shorter if his nickname was CommunityCollegeVers. $450/hr is just way above the market and unjustified despite his academic credentials or size. PASS. As far as I'm concerned, you win this thread. sbguy, + BenjaminNicholas and + Pensant 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borgerback Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Ad appears to have been removed from RM . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orville Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Ad appears to have been removed from RM . . . @JoeMendoza said his RM Profile was removed out of complaints from clients. Now it seems the guy has reappeared transformed from IvyLeague to Ghetto. This seems to be his newly created profile: https://rent.men/Michaelmdz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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