Manuelmanmuscle in Miami

[builder boy]

I have heard from many escorts that even if a client pays for tickets, the escort can be at the mercy of the client as to what they are paid before sending them back home. What then? A physical confrontation? Better to see an escort in his city for an hour, build up a relationship and go from there. It works both ways. Just sayin'.

The fee is agreed upon in advance and isn’t an issue prior to the engagement, why would there be an issue ??? Having done numerous weekends that comment isn’t relative. Just saying.

[former lurker]

The fee is agreed upon in advance and isn’t an issue prior to the engagement, why would there be an issue ??? Having done numerous weekends that comment isn’t relative. Just saying.

 

It's a question of trust, not prior agreement. Not everyone is true to his word. Why do we, as clients, feel so strongly about not paying in advance or paying a deposit? Trust and control. Flip that, and you've got the escort's perspective.

[builder boy]

It's a question of trust, not prior agreement. Not everyone is true to his word. Why do we, as clients, feel so strongly about not paying in advance or paying a deposit? Trust and control. Flip that, and you've got the escort's perspective.

Sure if they were paying for their own flights I could totally see it, but it’s not my disposition to send an airline ticket and a 1k ahead of a meeting. No thanks.

[former lurker]

Sure if they were paying for their own flights I could totally see it, but it’s not my disposition to send an airline ticket and a 1k ahead of a meeting. No thanks.

 

As I said, it's not just the cost of the flight that's at risk for the escort. As to your anit-disposition to sending a deposit, that's perfectly reasonable. It's a reflection of the same concerns an escort has about traveling to another city, spending perhaps two days in transit, etc., without certainty of payment. I wouldn't send advance payment either unless I had a fairly good basis to be certain all would go according to plan. Too many moving pieces for my comfort level.

[Gymowner]

i have heard (and this is only conjecture) from escorts that have been stiffed out of a portion of the agreed upon fee when bogus things did not occur within the weekend, the client flipping out if certain things again did not happen during the weekend etc and what then is the escort to do? get physical? no ride to the airport, no one close by to help them out. years ago a few escorts black balled a well known client that would pay with a check then cancel the check after the escort went back home only to try to renegotiate another session so the escort would have come back to get his original money. and this was stated by some of the best escorts in the business at the time.

 

it can work both ways for sure. bad escorts. bad clients.

[Epigonos]

The answer to all these questions is simple. Do NOT attempt to fly an escort out to meet you that you haven't met previously. After the initial meeting one would hope that you have come to trust each other. Case in point. Many years ago while in New York I got together with an escort and we had a great experience. Latter I flew him to New Orleans to meet me. We knew each other and trusted each other. We had one hell of a great weekend.

[Gymowner]

true epigonos. but proceed with caution. getting "to know someone" better is one thing. getting to really know someone is another. i have met guys that are wonderful then you find out they have troubled lives, troubled upbringings and antisocial behavioral disorders. can cause a lot of problems if not handled correctly.

[Luv2play]

A year ago I got in touch on RM with an escort in the USA on the other side of the continent. We corresponded for almost a month, arranging a weekend in Montreal where I would send him the airfare but no deposit. He had been to Montreal before and had friends there that he was going to stay with after our date. Otherwise he couldn’t go because he didn’t have the financial means to travel that far.

 

We grew trustful of each other, through our extensive correspondence and I took the trouble to contact a client of his on RM who vouched for his trust Worthiness . He arrived at the Montreal airport and I met him there and we went to a downtown hotel, where we stayed for the next two days. He lived up to everything he promised and I was pleased with our holiday together.

 

The fee I paid him enabled him to have a two week holiday with his friends where he could afford to take them out to meals at restaurants and pay for drinks at bars, all courtesy of me. We both got a great deal.

[builder boy]

The answer to all these questions is simple. Do NOT attempt to fly an escort out to meet you that you haven't met previously. After the initial meeting one would hope that you have come to trust each other. Case in point. Many years ago while in New York I got together with an escort and we had a great experience. Latter I flew him to New Orleans to meet me. We knew each other and trusted each other. We had one hell of a great weekend.

Indeed !!!!!

[big-n-tall]

Most of my initial overnights have been guys I hadn’t met beforehand. Although most of those were with guys who had been highly reviewed. The rest had little to no reviews. I say the split was maybe 70% reviewed and 30% not. And honestly out of them all, only of 3 didn’t work. One because the guy flaked (he had a lot of reviews mostly positive but definitely mixed) and the other two there was no real chemistry (one had good reviews but only about 10 or so... the other was new to escorting).

 

The guy who flaked, I paid for his flight and he never came. We were in regular contact up until the day before his flight. Then he ghosted me.

 

The 2nd guy, the first time we were to meet his missed his flight. I didn’t lose money because he booked his own flight then. When we tried again I paid for his flight. When we finally met up, he was a dud. Nice guy and physically matched his pic but he was a dead fish in bed.

 

The last guy was all over the place. I paid for his flight. Initially he was to come just to see me, but then he asked could I book the flight so he could be in the area for more than a week to work and visit family. Initially he didn’t ask for a deposit. If he had I would never had gone through the meet up. Then he asked if I could send him some of the money. I told him I couldn’t at the time. Then a couple days before the flight he gave me some story about how he usually asks for deposit and he needed the money for whatever. So I relented and gave him half of what he asked for. Again nice guy, matched his pics, great kisser, but again no chemistry.

 

With that said, not meeting a guy beforehand doesn’t mean the meet up will not go well. Knowing the guy before, helps but that isn’t necessarily a guarantee it will work either.

 

Back to the topic at hand, Manuel is hot. I do think he was hotter when he was leaner and dancing during his Adonis Lounge days. I wouldn’t turn him away now. He’s still sexy af. If he’s asking for a deposit, then he’s off my list.

[marylander1940]

A year ago I got in touch on RM with an escort in the USA on the other side of the continent. We corresponded for almost a month, arranging a weekend in Montreal where I would send him the airfare but no deposit. He had been to Montreal before and had friends there that he was going to stay with after our date. Otherwise he couldn’t go because he didn’t have the financial means to travel that far.

 

We grew trustful of each other, through our extensive correspondence and I took the trouble to contact a client of his on RM who vouched for his trust Worthiness . He arrived at the Montreal airport and I met him there and we went to a downtown hotel, where we stayed for the next two days. He lived up to everything he promised and I was pleased with our holiday together.

 

The fee I paid him enabled him to have a two week holiday with his friends where he could afford to take them out to meals at restaurants and pay for drinks at bars, all courtesy of me. We both got a great deal.

 

that's the way it should be! Unfortunately so many flakes on both sides of the table make it difficult for escorts and clients to trust each other.

 

Most of my initial overnights have been guys I hadn’t met beforehand. Although most of those were with guys who had been highly reviewed. The rest had little to no reviews. I say the split was maybe 70% reviewed and 30% not. And honestly out of them all, only of 3 didn’t work. One because the guy flaked (he had a lot of reviews mostly positive but definitely mixed) and the other two there was no real chemistry (one had good reviews but only about 10 or so... the other was new to escorting).

 

The guy who flaked, I paid for his flight and he never came. We were in regular contact up until the day before his flight. Then he ghosted me.

 

The 2nd guy, the first time we were to meet his missed his flight. I didn’t lose money because he booked his own flight then. When we tried again I paid for his flight. When we finally met up, he was a dud. Nice guy and physically matched his pic but he was a dead fish in bed.

 

The last guy was all over the place. I paid for his flight. Initially he was to come just to see me, but then he asked could I book the flight so he could be in the area for more than a week to work and visit family. Initially he didn’t ask for a deposit. If he had I would never had gone through the meet up. Then he asked if I could send him some of the money. I told him I couldn’t at the time. Then a couple days before the flight he gave me some story about how he usually asks for deposit and he needed the money for whatever. So I relented and gave him half of what he asked for. Again nice guy, matched his pics, great kisser, but again no chemistry.

 

With that said, not meeting a guy beforehand doesn’t mean the meet up will not go well. Knowing the guy before, helps but that isn’t necessarily a guarantee it will work either.

 

Back to the topic at hand, Manuel is hot. I do think he was hotter when he was leaner and dancing during his Adonis Lounge days. I wouldn’t turn him away now. He’s still sexy af. If he’s asking for a deposit, then he’s off my list.

 

I'm surprised you only had a few bad experiences with guys you hired out of blue.

 

Considering you were hiring folks you never met did you share your stats with them? Some younger in great shape guys (like most escorts are) aren't into all kinds of men.

 

Btw if someone is a dead fish in the bed... just take charge and fuck him face down! Dead fishes are good for that!

[Luv2play]

Another thing about overnights is that the escorts frequently will correspond with me afterwards, even months later. With some, they become repeats. With others, they are so far away that we just stay in touch occasionally but its nice to hear how they are doing. And they seem interested in what i am doing too.