3 STD rates hit record high in the USA.

[loremipsum]

Well another poster accurately gave me a better idea of your philosophy, so I totally understand you now:

 

Sex Positive: “You are positive about your decision to use PReP but not use condoms as you value your personal pleasure more than the possibility of your getting STI's and passing them onto your sex partners. You are open to taking more risky behavior when having sex and you feel good about it. You are sex positive"

 

No judgment on my part, just be clear on how you roll. ☺️??

 

“The newer generations are hooking up in record speeds, due to apps... they literally are ordering sex like ordering a happy meal from McDonald’s....”

 

I should’ve pared down my original quoting of you to this. It’s the sort of line of thinking — not referring to safe-sex practices or lack thereof — to which I was referring when I brought up the concepts of sex-negative and sex-positive. Didn’t know it would inspire a brouhaha.

[MrMattBig]

Well another poster accurately gave me a better idea of your philosophy, so I totally understand you now:

 

Sex Positive: “You are positive about your decision to use PReP but not use condoms as you value your personal pleasure more than the possibility of your getting STI's and passing them onto your sex partners. You are open to taking more risky behavior when having sex and you feel good about it. You are sex positive"

 

No judgment on my part, just be clear on how you roll. ☺️??

“The newer generations are hooking up in record speeds, due to apps... they literally are ordering sex like ordering a happy meal from McDonald’s....”

 

I should’ve pared down my original quoting of you to this. It’s the sort of line of thinking — not referring to safe-sex practices or lack thereof — to which I was referring when I brought up the concepts of sex-negative and sex-positive. Didn’t know it would inspire a brouhaha.

I wouldn't even say this really. The idea of hooking up in record speeds and the actual act happening in my experience are two different things. Both in my personal sex life and escorting, whether it's someone in their 20s or 60s, are concerned with everything but the logistics of two people being in the same room to have sex, that I think the actual act of hooking up is less of an occurrence that most might assume.

 

I am pretty sure there was a thread posted recently with an article link stating that younger people are having less sex in fact.

[loremipsum]

I think the actual act of hooking up is less of an occurrence that most might assume.

 

I am pretty sure there was a thread posted recently with an article link stating that younger people are having less sex in fact.

 

Lol, show me the receipts.

[Monarchy79]

I wouldn't even say this really. The idea of hooking up in record speeds and the actual act happening in my experience are two different things. Both in my personal sex life and escorting, whether it's someone in their 20s or 60s, are concerned with everything but the logistics of two people being in the same room to have sex, that I think the actual act of hooking up is less of an occurrence that most might assume.

 

I am pretty sure there was a thread posted recently with an article link stating that younger people are having less sex in fact.

 

Well someone’s having a lot of sex... because of they didn’t, STDs wouldn’t be on the rise, and this thread wouldn’t exist. ???

[+ José Soplanucas]

Well another poster accurately gave me a better idea of your philosophy, so I totally understand you now:

 

Sex Positive: “You are positive about your decision to use PReP but not use condoms as you value your personal pleasure more than the possibility of your getting STI's and passing them onto your sex partners. You are open to taking more risky behavior when having sex and you feel good about it. You are sex positive"

 

No judgment on my part, just be clear on how you roll. ☺️??

 

Ja! No judgment? Now you are going intellectually dishonest or just sarcastic.

[MrMattBig]

Lol, show me the receipts.

I suck at the search function here, but

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qvqbmv/we-asked-millenials-why-young-people-are-having-less-sex

If you Google "younger people having less sex" there are several search results. I don't think they will mention what I said about logistics.

But my experience is that things like discussing availability, hosting situations, and the like are after thoughts when people are actually trying to hook up.

Which is kind of important when two people with two different lives are trying to cross paths to bone ?

[MrMattBig]

Browsing the link I posted also made me think about how many don't actually know how to use a condom with the proper amount of lubercation and use the proper size.

Which can lead to rips and broken condoms and then back to square one.

Not to throw wood on the fire, but condom use requires proper use to even be effective as well.

[mike carey]

It's a well to remember that the article in the OP refers to population-wide statistics for syphilis, gonorrhea and chlamydia. As interesting as this conversation has been, and as important as raising the factors that have been discussed is, what MSM do or don't do is going to play a minimal role in these statistics. I suspect that was what @Kurtis Wolfe was alluding to in his terse comment about maths. I noticed that one of the examples used in the article was the huge increase in congenital syphilis, that is an infected mother passing it on to a new-born child. I only read through the article once but there was no reference to STIs other than the three on which the article was based.

[MrMattBig]

It's a well to remember that the article in the OP refers to population-wide statistics for syphilis, gonorrhea and chlamydia. As interesting as this conversation has been, and as important as raising the factors that have been discussed is, what MSM do or don't do is going to play a minimal role in these statistics. I suspect that was what @Kurtis Wolfe was alluding to in his terse comment about maths. I noticed that one of the examples used in the article was the huge increase in congenital syphilis, that is an infected mother passing it on to a new-born child. I only read through the article once but there was no reference to STIs other than the three on which the article was based.

True about the MSM point to an unknown extent. I get requests all the time when I am home in Vegas from guys trying to sneak away from there wife's and girlfriends to have some male on male fun. And if those guys go bare with their female partners, and then go bare with a male provider or hookup especially because they know that is the growing trend, now the broader population and the smaller sub group of those who identify as MSM are now intertwined.

 

"Here with the wife, looking to sneak away and have a hot hung stud breed my hole" is not uncommon language used by straight guys.

Edited October 13, 2019 by MrMattBig

[Monarchy79]

Ja! No judgment? Now you are going intellectually dishonest or just sarcastic.

I’m truly not,

This is the closest understanding I have been able to come to your way of thinking, because although you’re clear with telling me what you think of me, you have not been clear with your actual approach to sex.

 

I thought that this was properly aligned with your beliefs.

[DallasClient]

With condoms I never went to be tested for anything. Being on PrEP, I go in every 90 days and know all the people at the clinic on a first name basis. I encourage everyone I'm with to get on PrEP if they aren't already. No one should go through what we did in the 80's and 90's. Condoms or no condoms is something to be discussed and decided upon by the two people ahead of time.

[Chad Constantine]

Lol, show me the receipts.

Did someone buy something? lol

 

The receipts are the fact that Incel and Asexual has become part of our lexicon?

[loremipsum]

Did someone buy something? lol

 

The receipts are the fact that Incel and Asexual has become part of our lexicon?

 

You’ve been missing out on a cultural phenomenon. It’s a whole thing. From the infamous “crack is wack” interview:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdyaLWMt6qA

 

”Show me the receipts” has entered the American lexicon as synonymous with “I don’t very much believe you; furnish me with proof.”

[Chad Constantine]

You’ve been missing out on a cultural phenomenon. It’s a whole thing. From the infamous “crack is wack” interview:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdyaLWMt6qA

 

”Show me the receipts” has entered the American lexicon as synonymous with “I don’t very much believe you; furnish me with proof.”

 

WOW!!! I knew what the saying meant but did not know it came from Whitney but then again I am surprised I even knew what the saying meant or current colloquialisms too lol. This is was more my speed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzDQB2WZ2Sk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re4FKZG7au4

Edited October 13, 2019 by Chad Constantine

[+ not2rowdy]

Browsing the link I posted also made me think about how many don't actually know how to use a condom with the proper amount of lubercation and use the proper size.

Which can lead to rips and broken condoms and then back to square one.

Not to throw wood on the fire, but condom use requires proper use to even be effective as well.

 

I suspect the posters participating in this thread are knowledgeable - but here's an educational resource of possible interest. It also has an extensive list of additional resources at the bottom of the page.

http://www.trojanbrands.com/en/sex-information

[kenomora]

Thanks for commiserating ?

 

 

 

Not to throw shade, but I couldn’t help but notice something glaring at me here — a mindset that may play some small role in an STI spike ?? ... The fact that with greater sex education or general awareness in modern times, more people know that they are so easily treated — perhaps spawning a slightly more lackadaisical approach to preventive measures — it may be a case of the law of unintended consequences.

 

Oh that's a totally legit potential contributing factor. No shade taken. It's just that sexual behavior is hard to change, and as a person working in public health I'd rather have people know that these non-HIV STIs are easily treatable and curable, but unless they come in for testing they won't have access to treatment. This is especially important as @[uSER=16909]Monarchy79[/uSER] had mentioned that a lot of these infections are asymptomatic in both men and women, and asymptomatic people can still spread diseases. Frequent testing form multiple body sites, rapid diagnostics, and effective treatment all on the same visit to the clinic (like the Express Clinical Model, which has been very successful in the UK) along with testing and treatment of sexual contacts would be key to controlling these infections in high-risk groups, which includes but certainly not limited to PrEP takers who practice unprotected sex. In LA County these STI cases must be reported to the health department and there are public health investigators (PHIs) who'd literally go knock on doors to find the patient and do their best to get all sexual contacts tested. We also have PHIs who'd go to skid row to talk to pregnant homeless women and encourage them to come to public health centers to get prenatal care and test for STIs. Some of my previous R&D projects involved development of rapid diagnostics (< 2 hours) for gonorrhea along with prediction of antimicrobial resistance (to see if the patient only needs one Cipro tablet and save themselves from getting stuck with a needle or if they still need a standard injection - depending on which drug works) and I believe at least a few similar rapid molecular tests are going through the process for FDA approvals.

[+ José Soplanucas]

I’m truly not,

This is the closest understanding I have been able to come to your way of thinking, because although you’re clear with telling me what you think of me, you have not been clear with your actual approach to sex.

 

I thought that this was properly aligned with your beliefs.

 

I have been beyond clear, you just do not want to see it because I refuse to use your conceptions.

 

Another way, I think, to explain the difference between a sex positive and a sex negative mindset in addition to what @MrMattBig contributed before, is making a twist to help contextualized our disagreements. Sex positive mindset means looking at sex as a positive force to celebrate and welcome, as different to a sex negative mindset that look at sex as a dangerous force to control and repress. Of course it would be a continuum and we all are placed in different points in between the two extremes. We are doomed to look at you as puritanical, you are doomed to look at us as irresponsible.

 

The problem is when your prejudices operate in reality to serve to your own delusions, and you come up with false statements, like saying that for people on PrEP everything goes, or that using condoms is safe sex, or that not using condoms is not taking any precautions.

 

Of course, you are doomed to your delusions, because in your fantasy world you need to believe, per example, that you are having safe sex wrapped in your condoms.

[Monarchy79]

I have been beyond clear, you just do not want to see it because I refuse to use your conceptions.

 

Another way, I think, to explain the difference between a sex positive and a sex negative mindset in addition to what @MrMattBig contributed before, is making a twist to help contextualized our disagreements. Sex positive mindset means looking at sex as a positive force to celebrate and welcome, as different to a sex negative mindset that look at sex as a dangerous force to control and repress. Of course it would be a continuum and we all are placed in different points in between the two extremes. We are doomed to look at you as puritanical, you are doomed to look at us as irresponsible.

 

The problem is when your prejudices operate in reality to serve to your own delusions, and you come up with false statements, like saying that for people on PrEP everything goes, or that using condoms is safe sex, or that not using condoms is not taking any precautions.

 

Of course, you are doomed to your delusions, because in your fantasy world you need to believe, per example, that you are having safe sex wrapped in your condoms.

 

What you stated sounds great.. yet you still haven’t addressed my original question, and you weren’t clear...and you still haven’t clarified... H, I think my clarity may have offended you by calling you out, which wasn’t my attention.

Specifically that part that discusses sexual responsibility.

I’m not saying that you can’t do what you want to do.

What I’m saying is that your behavior could possibly contribute to the spread of other STD’s...and I don’t think you want to acknowledge that. And I can accept that to be your choice.

No judgment, no shame, and no prejudices.

Just transparency.

[Monarchy79]

Of course, you are doomed to your delusions, because in your fantasy world you need to believe, per example, that you are having safe sex wrapped in your condoms.

 

It’s not a fantasy. I have been “wrapped” in my condoms and they have worked every time. ???

[Monarchy79]

I have been beyond clear, you just do not want to see it because I refuse to use your conceptions.

 

Another way, I think, to explain the difference between a sex positive and a sex negative mindset in addition to what @MrMattBig contributed before, is making a twist to help contextualized our disagreements. Sex positive mindset means looking at sex as a positive force to celebrate and welcome, as different to a sex negative mindset that look at sex as a dangerous force to control and repress. Of course it would be a continuum and we all are placed in different points in between the two extremes. We are doomed to look at you as puritanical, you are doomed to look at us as irresponsible.

 

The problem is when your prejudices operate in reality to serve to your own delusions, and you come up with false statements, like saying that for people on PrEP everything goes, or that using condoms is safe sex, or that not using condoms is not taking any precautions.

 

Of course, you are doomed to your delusions, because in your fantasy world you need to believe, per example, that you are having safe sex wrapped in your condoms.

 

No one is “doomed”. Here’s the reality... sticking a raw dick up a raw ass doesn’t qualify as “safe sex”. Point blank. Period.

that’s not a judgment, a qualification, or a statement of shame.

it’s your choice, as it is many others, and I absolutely respect that.

 

Just call it what it is...

 

I’ll make it simpler for you, and I’ll

Use myself as an example... there was another thread about eating ass and a series of bacterial infections that are spreading. People said that at we should use dental dams to eat ass safely.

I can admit that I don’t use dental dams when I eat ass. I have made the choice to eat ass Unsafely, and assume the risks.

I may gargle in peroxide afterwards and take post-eating precautions, but that act in itself is unsafe. I willingly accept that.

There,I did it.

 

It’s that simple. However, you don’t want to call out your behavior for what it is, because you don’t want to verbalize assuming the risk and accepting the responsibility of your actions. I’m not judging your sex acts,or your sex choices. I am flat out judging your lack of

Acknowledgement and accountability.

Imam

Sex positive, but bullshit negative.

[+ José Soplanucas]

No one is “doomed”. Here’s the reality... sticking a raw dick up a raw ass doesn’t qualify as “safe sex”. Point blank. Period.

that’s not a judgment, a qualification, or a statement of shame.

it’s your choice, as it is many others, and I absolutely respect that.

 

Just call it what it is...

 

I’ll make it simpler for you, and I’ll

Use myself as an example... there was another thread about eating ass and a series of bacterial infections that are spreading. People said that at we should use dental dams to eat ass safely.

I can admit that I don’t use dental dams when I eat ass. I have made the choice to eat ass Unsafely, and assume the risks.

I may gargle in peroxide afterwards and take post-eating precautions, but that act in itself is unsafe. I willingly accept that.

There,I did it.

 

It’s that simple. However, you don’t want to call out your behavior for what it is, because you don’t want to verbalize assuming the risk and accepting the responsibility of your actions. I’m not judging your sex acts,or your sex choices. I am flat out judging your lack of

Acknowledgement and accountability.

Imam

Sex positive, but bullshit negative.

 

Mamma mia. Every single thing you accuse me of not doing or refusing to accept, has been properly addressed before. Just because I am not playing your blame game, does not mean I d not accept my responsibilities.

 

I am tired of repeating myself and still not being listened.

[Monarchy79]

Mamma mia. Every single thing you accuse me of not doing or refusing to accept, has been properly addressed before. Just because I am not playing your blame game, does not mean I d not accept my responsibilities.

 

I am tired of repeating myself and still not being listened.

No sir,

 

You are deflecting, and trying to dodge acknowledgement. If you have addressed these things CLEARLY... there would have been receipts... ?

The only thing I am wrong for is frustrating you by backing you into a corner of “accountability” ?

 

But I will formally rest.... ?

[+ José Soplanucas]

No sir,

 

You are deflecting, and trying to dodge acknowledgement. If you have addressed these things CLEARLY... there would have been receipts... ?

The only thing I am wrong for is frustrating you by backing you into a corner of “accountability” ?

 

But I will formally rest.... ?

 

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[Monarchy79]

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbchqlhJUM1qkg5u5o1_500.gif

Now if you keep being sarcastic... I will rise again.... ?

[Monarchy79]

If they're irrelevant then why are you even remotely alive today?

Because I’m a human being, not a statistic... lol