Texas in the South?

[BigD]

As a 6th generation Texan, I must protest. While most will not care, I am sure that some will give me hell over this. Yet I am sure that most Texas do not consider themselves as part of the South. Not that there is anything wrong with the South, but more often we see ourselves as part of the southwest. On the escort geographical listings Texas is listed as part of the South. So what? I guess I am bored tonight, but everytime I have to go to the maps to check on an escort it bothers me that I must look for Texas under the South. Go ahead, shoot me down.

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[Guy Fawkes]

Daddy was raised in Oklahoma....Texas is in the South! :-)

[+ Tom Isern]

According to at least one part of Wikipedia, Texas is not part of the South. Texas is part of the "Deep South."

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_States_of_America

[Guest jeffOH]

I know what you mean. I've always wondered why Ohio is considered part of the MidWest. Texas is kind of a border state. Certainly parts of eastern Texas are very Southern, but western Texas is much more what I'd consider SouthWestern. It's just such a big state that encompasses some very diverse terrain, but when it comes down to it, my vote goes for Southwest vs. South.

[Guest ncm2169]

< As a 6th generation Texan

 

IIRC, The Battle of The Alamo was in 1836, establishing Texas' independence from Mexico. I'm not sure how you count your "generations," but at 30 years "per", your family ought to have no problem considering itself part of North Mexico today. Perhaps you'd be happier with that geographical "tag", and God Knows, most of the rest of The USA Minus Texas could finally rid its shame over having an imbecile as our President. }(

 

J/K, man. :+

[Rick Munroe]

>everytime

>I have to go to the maps to check on an escort it bothers me

>that I must look for Texas under the South.

 

I have an easy solution. I think it should just be divided up as "NYC" and "Everywhere Else."

[pierrot]

Traditionally for most Southerners, the South is defined by the states that seceded from the Union in the Civil War (or War Between the States as it is known in the South). Texas seceded and fought with the Confederates, that's all there is to it.

[Bilbo]

There was, many, many moons ago a book called something like The Seven Nations of North America, dividing up mostly the US by demographics, etc. Their map, as I remember it, showed four of those nations coming together in Texas. Indeed, long tails from all of those came together in Houston.

And I never tire of telling the story of The Battle of Glorietta Pass. Texas invaded Colorado during the War Between the States. (Yes, on can believe in states rights without believeing in nonconsensual slavery.) Small armies from both states headed for a show down in Glorietta Pass. However, the morning was very foggy and the two armies passed each other before they realized what was happening. Then they turned around and Texas, fighting for the South, attacked from the North, and Colorado, fighting for the North, attacked for the South. And the final result was that the Texan army was repulsed and came on home. That was the only battle fought by either state's army. LOL.

[jasoncarter_dfw]

>As a 6th generation Texan, I must protest. While most will

>not care, I am sure that some will give me hell over this. Yet

>I am sure that most Texas do not consider themselves as part

>of the South. Not that there is anything wrong with the South,

>but more often we see ourselves as part of the southwest. On

>the escort geographical listings Texas is listed as part of

>the South. So what? I guess I am bored tonight, but everytime

>I have to go to the maps to check on an escort it bothers me

>that I must look for Texas under the South. Go ahead, shoot me

>down.

>BigD

 

Hey...Sam Houston had to be forced from office so that Texas could join the confederacy ;-)

[KMEM]

Sir, are you referring to the war of yankee agression? It is still in progress! LOL

 

Best regards,

 

KMEM

[Bilbo]

Yes, suh, look at how often we have to tell the Feds to keep their hands off the states' right to regulate marriage. Fiddle dee dee on all these attempts to regulate it away from us in the constitution.

[+ Charlie]

East Texas and Louisiana are indistinguishable (i.e., it's the South). West Texas and New Mexico are indistinguishable (i.e., it's the Southwest). Central Texas is a region searching for its own identity.

[pierrot]

Actually, that might be the only battle fought in Texas, however soldiers in Texas regiments fought in major Civil War battles as part of the Confederate Army -- including my great-grandfather who was with a Texas regiment fighting, I believe, in Northern Virginia.

[Bilbo]

Thank you. I stand corrected.

However, I should mention that Glorietta Pass is in Colorado.

[+ Charlie]

The Battle of Glorieta Pass actually happened in New Mexico, between Santa Fe and Las Vegas, NM, when Confederate volunteers from Texas were returning northeast from a clash at Fort Craig on the Rio Grande, and encountered Union volunteers from Denver moving southwest from Fort Union.

 

Officially, the Texans won the battle, but the Union forces managed to completely destroy the Confederates' supply train, so they were forced to retreat and could never fight again.

[BigD]

You are right. Please know that everyone in Texas - located in the Southwest - is NOT fond of this president. I regret he has any Texan connections. And Dallas County voted Democratic in the last elections. There is hope. However, we want to keep this a geographical discussion not a politcal one. So, I will shut up.

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[rvwnsd]

As a Chicago native (where we have a similar worldview as New Yorkers...if it is south of Madison Street or west of O'Hare it's considered "Everywhere Else") I don't think of Texas as being "the South." I really don't consider it to be part of a region...it seems like it's own entity.

[Bilbo]

OK, I will fully research this before I ever mention it again in one of my children's plays. However, amongst adults, I am afraid that I will add to the legend, embroidering it and playing havoc with the facts to make a better story. Nuff said.

[+ Gar1eth]

When I was taking social studies back in 3rd grade--also known as the "dark ages of the last century--1969 to 1970 if anyone was actually interested" we studied different regions of the country--ie groups of states. It seems to me that Texas was classified as being in more than one region--ie South, West, Plains states.

 

As for my bonafides--I'm only a 3rd or 4th generation Texan but I've had family living here at the very least since the late 1800's--my great-grandomother was actually born in Matamoros--her family had a general store in the Matamoros/Laredo area and her mother was on the south side of the border when she was born--but my great-grandmother's grandfather lived in Austin.

 

Gman

[Vincent_Michael]

First generation Texan here...boron and raised in good old San Antonio. I consider it part of the south or deep south but in my opinion who cares were all Americans and that's what counts! As for the Bushes...There not even Texans, there transplants from the east.