411 on Intimacypro in Florida

[former lurker]

Not quite sure if a "here we go" is the most polite or professional response to "but will you at least try, or is it totally off the table?"

Sorry, but the escort in question could have not responded at all or say something like " if that is what is necessary for you to enjoy our time, then I'm not sure we would be a match"

 

Sorry, may just be personal bias, but "here we go" is that passive aggressive nonsense that makes me question out future as a society.

 

Sure maybe he was annoyed or had an off day, and by his profile still seems like a great time would be had. All I know is as an escort myself, if I was looking to hire someone and got that here we go reply, I would feel the same way as @Trick

 

I disagree. "Here we go" followed a statement declining a willingness to cum on command. "Will you at least try" reads as disregarding the prior answer. He'd already said the gist of what you suggest. Could he have indulged the persistence by being more sauve? I suppose. Was it "unprofessional" to say "here we go", not in my view. You obviously pride yourself on how well/smoothly you communicate. That's a good asset in your line of work and in life. But the fact that another provider is less indulgent than you would be of repetitive requests doesn't render him "rude". And "here we go" doesn't, at least for me, warrant a negative post calling the provider rude.

[Trick]

I don't see how these texts offer any support for your position. He was polite. You were flogging a dead horse. Once he said not to plan on him cumming, you persisted with "is it off the table". You also acknowledge that you were responsible for the tone of the exchange by asking the wrong questions. Unless you didn't mean that, and just said it to curry favor somehow. And if you did mean it, why the negative post in the first place?

 

The flow of the discussion from my point of view was that he said yes he was open to it only if it felt natural. That's why I asked if he could a least try. It was his "Here we go" reply that changed the tone of the conversation. Had he said, "Yes, it's off the table", I would have let go of the cum talk. I felt my line of questioning has irritated him so I apologized for that.

 

From his ad, I could sense him as someone who would talk through things. That was my mistake.

[+ TheBigO]

I have met intimacypro, and I found him caring, generous of spirit, and focused on me. His https://rentmen.eu/intimacypro/ profile provides some context, I have have decided it's a part of my mission to love on men. I think focusing on the release rather on the time together is issue. I have seen other body workers also respond similarly when confronted with a potential client looking more for a HE rather than seeing things how things go.

[MrMattBig]

I disagree. "Here we go" followed a statement declining a willingness to cum on command. "Will you at least try" reads as disregarding the prior answer. He'd already said the gist of what you suggest. Could he have indulged the persistence by being more sauve? I suppose. Was it "unprofessional" to say "here we go", not in my view. You obviously pride yourself on how well/smoothly you communicate. That's a good asset in your line of work and in life. But the fact that another provider is less indulgent than you would be of repetitive requests doesn't render him "rude". And "here we go" doesn't, at least for me, warrant a negative post calling the provider rude.

No I agree it's not rude. And the "will you at least" part would have rubbed me slightly the wrong way a bit if I received that messages as an escort, because I would read that as slightly pushy. The escort did not help himself with his next reply in the eyes of the OP.

Rude, I wouldn't say exactly.

Abrasive, slightly. Also keep in mind as well that what would be slightly abrasive for some would be common fair and talk for others, for example stereotypes of New Yorkers, especially for the view of someone from the West coast.

Borderline to being unprofessional, up for debate, like you said, you suppose could have been more suave. As I have learned by experience here and through conversation with those interested in hiring me, how you respond means just as much and sometimes more as what the content of the response is.

[Trick]

And "here we go" doesn't, at least for me, warrant a negative post calling the provider rude.

 

"Here we go" was the start. This reply brought it home for me.

"It’s off the table and why are we talking about cumming. If that’s what you’re looking for move on"

 

At this point I knew he did not like my questions so I apologized. I admit I was pushy, I banked on his earlier replies that "he doesn't always do it" meaning he does it sometimes and "yes but only if it's natural". He could have been nicer with his replies.

Edited December 17, 2019 by Trick

[former lurker]

No I agree it's not rude. And the "will you at least" part would have rubbed me slightly the wrong way a bit if I received that messages as an escort, because I would read that as slightly pushy. The escort did not help himself with his next reply in the eyes of the OP.

Rude, I wouldn't say exactly.

Abrasive, slightly. Also keep in mind as well that what would be slightly abrasive for some would be common fair and talk for others, for example stereotypes of New Yorkers, especially for the view of someone from the West coast.

Borderline to being unprofessional, up for debate, like you said, you suppose could have been more suave. As I have learned by experience here and through conversation with those interested in hiring me, how you respond means just as much and sometimes more as what the content of the response is.

 

I know all sorts of brashness, and some of the stereotypes are rooted in fact. Go into any camera shop in NYC run by Israelis. The purveyors are stereotypically pushy and abrasive. My own Israeli relatives run the gamut from pushy to understated.

[former lurker]

"Here we go" was the start. This reply brought it home for me.

"It’s off the table and why are we talking about cumming. If that’s what you’re looking for move on"

 

At this point I knew he did not like my questions so I apologized. I admit I was pushy, but he could have been nicer with his replies.

 

Yes, he could have been nicer. But what is it you're trying to accomplish with these posts? Are you working through your own approach? Venting because your feelings were hurt? Trying to "warn" people off from the guy because of his reaction to your being pushy? You've gotten some decent feedback about the encounter. Take the feedback for what it's worth. If you're looking for vindication, you'll find some will agree with you and others will not. Do what works for you, and take the comments you find useful to heart. Where you and I differ is simply this: I wouldn't have posted about him being rude. If you wanted feedback, you could have not named the guy and just asked whether it was your pushiness, his dismissiveness, or some combination.

[Trick]

 

Where you and I differ is simply this: I wouldn't have posted about him being rude. If you wanted feedback, you could have not named the guy and just asked whether it was your pushiness, his dismissiveness, or some combination.

 

 

I don't think I posted about him being rude. My post was about the weird conversation I had with him. When someone said "he politely said no", I expressed my opinion that he didn't

 

The reason for my initial post? I wanted to know what went wrong. I was working through my own approach. I wanted to avoid making the same mistakes in the future. I'm not looking for vindication because I don't see a need for it.

 

It's beginning to look a lot like I'm being reprimanded for even making these posts. Makes me wonder what I can ask or post in this forum or not. Since I am in learning mode here, can somebody please tell me what I should have done with this matter?

[former lurker]

I don't think I posted about him being rude. My post was about the weird conversation I had with him. When someone said "he politely said no", I expressed my opinion that he didn't

 

The reason for my initial post? I wanted to know what went wrong. I was working through my own approach. I wanted to avoid making the same mistakes in the future. I'm not looking for vindication because I don't see a need for it.

 

It's beginning to look a lot like I'm being reprimanded for even making these posts. Makes me wonder what I can ask or post in this forum or not. Since I am in learning mode here, can somebody please tell me what I should have done with this matter?

 

Okay. Let's see if I can get this right. Your initial post called the exchange "weird". You never used the word "rude", but you disagreed with another poster who said his response was "polite". I interpret your rejection of the word "polite" as similar in kind to calling it "rude".

 

As for the rest of what you said, I think you're being overly sensitive. You asked for feedback. You got feedback. If it's helpful, take it in. If it's not, ignore it. Keep in mind, you're posting on a board, not having a private conversation. You will get a range of responses. That's no reason to refrain from asking. As for what you could have done differently, I'd say leave the exchange at the point he said he was open to cumming only if it felt "natural". Then asking if he would "try" or if it was "off the table" got you into the pushy approach that then led to his "here we go" response. Not every provider is going to be amenable to what you want, so once he makes that clear, look elsewhere. It's certainly not my intent to "reprimand" you, just to provide a response to your question about how you could handle such situations.

[marylander1940]

May I just remind yinz that Johnathan (that's how he calls himself in his presentation video) is also getting text messages from other potential clients all day long... I'm just saying it because some guys complain about replies by text being rude. If that's the case why not try calling him to get a better feeling.

Edited December 17, 2019 by marylander1940

[Trick]

Okay. Let's see if I can get this right. Your initial post called the exchange "weird". You never used the word "rude", but you disagreed with another poster who said his response was "polite". I interpret your rejection of the word "polite" as similar in kind to calling it "rude".

 

As for the rest of what you said, I think you're being overly sensitive. You asked for feedback. You got feedback. If it's helpful, take it in. If it's not, ignore it. Keep in mind, you're posting on a board, not having a private conversation. You will get a range of responses. That's no reason to refrain from asking. As for what you could have done differently, I'd say leave the exchange at the point he said he was open to cumming only if it felt "natural". Then asking if he would "try" or if it was "off the table" got you into the pushy approach that then led to his "here we go" response. Not every provider is going to be amenable to what you want, so once he makes that clear, look elsewhere. It's certainly not my intent to "reprimand" you, just to provide a response to your question about how you could handle such situations.

 

Thank you. I'm a lone wolf gay man who has nowhere else to learn the nuances of gay culture but here. Not being a native English speaker often complicates my communications.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

C'mon, the escort has a pic of his erect dick in his profile and then acts like he's wearing a hoop-skirt and carrying a parasol. It doesn't add up.

 

Don't want people to think you're a sex object? Don't sell yourself as one.

 

He's confusing the customer and in any form of advertising, that's not a good thing.

[+ Keith30309]

I try to take care in what I text someone because I’ve had my words dissected and incorrect inferences made about my intent. But it still happens. The reciepient of my 5-word text sent in haste as I try to not rear-end an 18-wheeler may mull my words all day long and never know the context.

So, I try to consider text messages as snippets of thoughts if they seem brusque or dismissive to me.

[+ Keith30309]

This gentleman is traveling again and I don’t see any recent comments from anyone who has met him. 
 

Has anyone met Jon recently?

[Wanderoz]

Bump.  He's heading to DC in mid-January.

[+ azdr0710]

just so you don't have to go looking around for a link upthread......

https://rent.men/intimacypro

[Guest rob.cran93]

I met with him once...we had a great time together, he’s great at conversation, and lived up to his RM handle. Very sweet guy.