Timing of Payment for Longer Appointments

[TrumpCoupTommy]

I'm currently in discussion with a nice young man about a vacation I'm planning of several days duration. We've talked on the phone a couple times and exchanged e-mails, but have not met previously. He is requesting (if I select him for my trip) that I pay him half of his fees up front upon meeting, and the rest at the conclusion of our time together. I've done a few other trips with companions in the past and I've generally always paid the entire fee at the conclusion of the time together. I would have to say I prefer it that way, as I feel payment should be made after services have been delivered, and not before. However as this individual and I have never met, I can understand his concern.

 

I'm curious how other clients (and escorts) have handled this situation.

[kjun]

I have done it before but I do no believe in advance payment of fees. When a person performs for a fee it is generally true that they work harder to earn it if paid after performing the work.

 

the Cajun

[snoopy]

I can understand the escort's concern. As he has not met you nor been with you before, he wants some assurance that you are legit.

I have known a couple guys who told of flying to a city to meet clients who never showed up. The were stuck in an unfamiliar city and had to pay their own way home. But I also understand your concern as you wonder if he is legit. Most escort sites warn of not paying up front for someone you don't know/haven't met. Too many scams. I would not schedule more than a couple hours the first time with a new person. This gives you a chance to get to know the person, establish credibility and ensure you are compatible.

[TrumpCoupTommy]

< When a person performs for a fee it is generally

true that they work harder to earn it if paid after performing

the work. >

 

That's my general feeling as well.

[TrumpCoupTommy]

You make good points, Snoopy. Trust is of course a two-way street, and both the escort and the companion have legitimate concerns when arranging to meet for the first time.

[Epigonos]

If I read your post correctly the escort is requesting half of his fee up front UPON MEETING not sent to him in advance. If that is indeed the case I don't really see a problem. He will be with you and thus there will be no need to be concerned regarding his not showing. Whether or not you two will be compatible is a whole different issue.

[Greathands]

I disagree with this. I once met an escort for an overnight. We had dinner together, had some fun, then went out for drinks. I don't remember the exact details of our discussion, but I did give him his fee when we went out as he didn't have much cash on him and wanted to buy a round of drinks for us, which he did. A little while later he went to the rest room and that was the last I saw of him. I've since learned that this was a habit of his.

 

The ONLY way I would give an escort any money in advance is if that said escort was a VERY WELL REVIEWED and a REGULAR PARTICIPATOR on here. I do feel that I would be able to trust these guys, such as Scott Adler or Rick Munroe. Then again, these guys wouldn't ask for their money up front!

[SAdler]

>The ONLY way I would give an escort any money in advance is if

>that said escort was a VERY WELL REVIEWED and a REGULAR

>PARTICIPATOR on here. I do feel that I would be able to

>trust these guys, such as Scott Adler or Rick Munroe. Then

>again, these guys wouldn't ask for their money up front!

 

Was debating whether or not I was going to reply in here but this was such a great segway. Thanks Greathands

 

I agree with the status quo in here that payment in advance is usually a bad thing but I also agree with what great just said about checking credibility etc.

 

With NEW clients that expect me to invest a certain amount of effort to get to them, (i.e. driving down to Newport or take a flight dealing with traffic to/from the airport) I employ a policy of a third in advance to prove their serious. They in turn much like with general travel arrangements get my real name (not like that's much of a secret anymore) via paypal.

 

My statement to them is that I have my reviews, what assurance do I have that you're not just trying to amuse yourself. The third of the payment is usually small enough to them to not matter but large enough for me to make good on my time/expenses if I drove down for nothing.

 

Two situations (aside from things working out perfectly as they typically do) have risen out of that exchange:

 

1) I arrived in New York and got to the city and the guy "didn't exist." I'm not sure if he had cold feet or what but when I checked with the airline, the ticket had been bought on miles by someone who had “plenty to spare” as the agent insinuated. Luckily I feel like I keep an apartment in NYC at this point so I had a great weekend on my own with his advance. I made sure to secure my ticket home with a small fee when I spoke to the girl at the airline and everything worked out fine.

 

2) I received the advance payment for an overnight in Laguna and the day of the client had to cancel but told me not to worry and keep the advance as an apology which I thought was extremely classy. After he rescheduled and we had our overnight I tried to at least give him a little bit off but he insisted on paying in full (and tipping) and I’ve been seeing him regularly since.

 

So I think another great topic coming out of this thread might be … if you send someone an advance but YOU have to cancel at the last minute – how do you think that should be handled?

[Juan Vancouver]

Only hire escorts that you trust

 

Hey Tommy,

 

What I am going to write contradicts a bit what has been said so far. And of course, it is from an escort's perspective. (And I know that there are many escorts who disagree with me in this.)

 

For almost two years now I have been travelling a lot, doing tons of long engagements, and it is my condition that for me to confirm and save the time for the appointment I ask for a third of the fee in advance. In the eventuality of me having to cancell the appointment, the deposit would be no doubt returned the minute I knew I had to cancell.

 

So far only one prospective client declined. That's a very negligible percentage.

 

When I was working hard to get a certain reputation and reviews I had to accept long engagements without any deposit, and almost half of them would cancell one day before, or even don't show. Once I was flown somewhere and he didn't show up, even if I had his work and home phone numbers. I decided that I was not going to put myself in that situation ever again. And now I only accept long engagements with a deposit. The rest of the fee is expected at the end of the engagement.

 

Since then, surprisingly, no last minute cancellations have happened, I have always been picked up, and I have had a blast, without the stress of a possible no show. (Losing one week's bussiness on top of that.)

 

An escort's reputation is much more important and profitable for him than his cock, his ass, his face and body all together. Our reputation of being discreet, reliable, honourable, brings in much more money than a monster cock. For a well reviewed escort it would be unthinkable to dissapear with your deposit. His name could potentially be destroyed by you, and he would never be able to recover from that.

 

Now, if you are trying to travel with a non-reviewed, newbie escort with whom you have never met....

 

Why would you do such a thing?

 

My point is... if you don't trust this boy one hundred percent... do you really want him with you 27/7, with acess to your travel documents, credit cards, valuables?

 

In my personal opinion you should not put trust where trust has not been worked for and earned.

 

Lastly, if you think that your escort will only deliver if you pay him at the end... man, you're hanging with the wrong crowd. There are tons of escorts out there who will be warm, attentive, kind, engaged, lustful, fun, etc, regardless when the money exchanges hands. There are tons of hot, clever, fun guys out there who love this profession and will deliver an exceptional time with you every single time.

 

I hope that you choose the right one and have a blast! :9

[Epigonos]

Scott that is an easy one. If I cancel the escort keeps the advance, if the escort cancels one of two things happens:

 

1. He returns the advance

2. He keeps the advance and we reschedule

 

Frankly I prefer number 2.

 

Now just a brief comment about the situation in which I, the client, cancel and the escort keeps the advance. For the sake of discussion let's say the two of us get together latter -- if the advance was large enough it might be nice if the escorts picks up the lunch or dinner tab. Please notice that I said nice certainly NOT necessary to my way of thinking.

[Luv2play]

RE: Only hire escorts that you trust

 

Juan, you are one classy escort. Your response was excellent.

[Louis]

RE: Only hire escorts that you trust

 

Paying a third or half up front makes sense to me. It helps ease the tension that the escort might have, plus it shows that you trust him and respect him.

The deposit is like a security for both parties. You know he will be seeing you, (sure there are exceptions) and he knows that you will be showing up.

Lasty I would do my homework on any escort that I would hire for a weekend. So if you do your homework, and check out reviews if possible, then everything will go fine.

For me mutual respect means mutual satisfaction.

[Guest manrent1]

RE: Only hire escorts that you trust

 

Money before or after is besides the point - you should NEVER plan an extended weekend visit with an escort that you haven't met in person and spent some time with. There is nothing worse than finding out there is no chemistry with said escort after you've committed to and are in the middle of a days long visit.

[Guest]

I've done some long-term hires before, and strongly caution against advance payments, except for expenses the escort needs to meet you (even then, I wouldn't hire someone long-term unless I'd met them before, and felt we'd clicked). Your willingness to shell the airfare upfront is proof enough of your being serious. The closest I've ever come to sending non-travel upfront money was when I hired someone to join me in a cruise, and I paid for a reasonably-priced tux. I have also never paid anywhere near what escorts advertize as their daily rates.

[+ ArVaGuy]

There have been some really good responses in this thread. Juan, as always, provides an interesting point of view.

 

I would never go on an extended travel arrangement with an escort that I have not met before. It's important that situations like this come from a basis of mutual trust and compatibility. For me that means seeing the escort for a short appointment, usually two hours, then longer appointments and an overnight or two. Then, and only then, after at least one overnight would I even begin to consider traveling with an escort.

 

Regardless of the duration traveling with someone is always a bit of a strain on both parties. This is true even if they are long time firends, lovers, or family for that matter. To just hook up with an escort for the first time and plan on spending several days or a week or two on travel is asking for major issues.

 

I have done several such trips but only with guys who I have known for a while and both of us feel comfortable with each other. With such a level of trust established I have had no issue with an up front amount paid. Usually the agreement is that the payment I am providing is to cover the escorts travel costs to get the the destination. Only in the case of extended travel like this would I pay an up front amount. I will not pay a deposit or pay up front for shorter durations such as a couple of hours or an overnight.

 

Another thing you need to consider is "down time" for the escort. For the client this may be some fantasy excursion but for the escort its work. We pay these guys a premium for their ability to provide a special experience. The escort has to be on point for long stretches to satisfy the clinet. In some cases that can be a lot of work.

 

For my travel situations we have worked out some personal time for each of us to have some space. That's included gym time for both of us as well as computer time for the escort to check messages. And if things have gone really well then one or both of us may just need a nap to recharge our batteries. This has worked well for me and the escorts.

[Guest ncm2169]

< a great segway

 

Ummm, is phonetic spelling taught at prestigious LA colleges these days? }(

 

I believe your theater majors will tell you it's spelled "segue." :9

[Louis]

ArlingtonVAGuy

I like what you are saying it makes a lot of sense. However for example, I take a lot of train pictures, and on a few occasions have met up with other guys who take train pictures too. I have met up with a few people who I only knew because of their postings on the net. So I have gone on train watching excursions for one and two days, and really haven't had any issues, with regards to compatability. Now sure we weren't having a romantic encounter, but still we had to get along.

I feel that if an escort is good, and if the client is considerate, then both should be able to get along. I think that trips have to be based on one thing... mutual respect, and mutual gratification, and if both parties work towards that, then things should be fine.

There are several escorts that contribute here, and I would not be the least bit shy about taking any of them on a trip. I can tell by the way they post things here, and by their reviews that, I would have a good time.

So I do agree with you in many ways, but I also think that nothing is carved in stone so to speak..

[SAdler]

>< a great segway

>

>Ummm, is phonetic spelling taught at prestigious LA colleges

>these days? }(

>

>I believe your theater majors will tell you it's spelled

>"segue." :9

 

And I believe English scholars will let you know that no term "segueway" actually exists in the English language. The term segue as a transition does but check with Oxford

 

So if you're going to be a bitch on technicalities (which over the years on this board we've decided is silly because of typos and irrelevance to the ACTUAL issues being discussed and brought up SOLELY for the point of malice) then perhaps you should get your facts straight.

 

Rick Monroe Turn Around: ACTUALLY I was referring to segway (the only legit spell check spelling) and saying that his comment provided me almost individual scooter like ease into transporting the conversation where it did.

[+ Charlie]

I suspect that Segway is actually a copyrighted brand name; this is the first time I have ever seen it used as a common noun. "Segue", meaning transition, can be used as either a verb or noun.

[EXPAT]

Segway TM is a brandname for those "stand up" devices that roll around on battery power. I met the owner of the company and they are doing fairly well. each device is really expensive though.

[EXPAT]

I have done a few week long or two week long events and I have always paid at the end. But I have only done those weeks with people I had an established relationship with from may prior sessions. Of course, I paid for everything during the week anyway for the most part and it has always worked out. But then the chemistry and relationship was already established before the trip happened.

[SAdler]

>I suspect that Segway is actually a copyrighted brand name

 

My mistake .... Segway™

[TrumpCoupTommy]

RE: Only hire escorts that you trust

 

Many intelligent comments made of late in response to my original inquiry. Thanks guys.

 

One quick point I wanted to make: if the prospective companion in question has concerns about my trustworthiness/creditworthines, I am more than willing to allow him to contact previous guys I've hired to get a "credit report." Escorts are reviewed and scrutinized closely, and personally I don't have a problem if the individual in question wants to contact previous guys I've taken on longer engagements to make certain that I've lived up to my part of agreements.

[augustman]

RE: Only hire escorts that you trust

 

Dear TCT, being the expericed hand you seem to be I will assume you already have a feeling about the escort one way or the other or you would not even consider the longer engagement especially on vacation.

The gentleman's asking for a portion upon arrival does not seem out or the ordinary. All of my overnights I usually pay half upon arrival and half at the end. I have not had to pay a deposit as I have prepaid the airline and the hotel is prepaid in the escorts name for their check. This usually gives the escort enough comfort to follow through. I too give references from other guys. Twice I have had the escort ask for 10% down which worked out fine.

 

Now to the people who think you should never do an overnight without meeting the escort in advance. That is great if you live in New York or LA. Again for those of us who do not live where the selection possibilities are endless, the only option we have is to take an educated chance.

[AdamSmith]

RE: Only hire escorts that you trust

 

>Now to the people who think you should never do an overnight

>without meeting the escort in advance.

 

Good advice, but I've never been burned by flouting it. With four different escorts, my first meeting was an overnight. (Two of them I knew in advance through slews of good reviews; the other two were just based on emails and phone conversations beforehand.) Worked out fine in every case.