Dump Trump

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I'm surprised that nobody has brought up the Rosie/The Donald shit that has been flying across the airwaves these past few days.

 

Regardless of which side you take, I think you have to admit it is pretty funny stuff.

 

In my opinion Trump has made a total asshole of himself. His critique of Rosie was downright mean and he should be ashamed of himself. A man in his position should have taken the high road and said nothing. His telephone conversation with Larry King from his jet while enroute to Florida was in extremly poor taste.

 

The funniest part of the whole thing was when Anderson Cooper replayed the whole thing on "360" and they showed him (Anderson) sitting there eating popcorn out of a large bag and slurping on a coke, as if he were in a movie theatre watching a comedy.

[Luv2play]

I only saw the replays of what Trump had to say about Rosie. I thought she was right on about him as a role model. He's just an overbearing bag of wind who has gone bankrupt twice. His denials notwithstanding. x(

[Guest TBinCHI]

Donald Trump is a living example that money cannot buy class. Unfortunately, because our society is so obsessed with wealth, Trump gets lots of exposure and his behavior receives so little condemnation, he winds up serving as a role model. A negative one, in my opinion, but a role model nonetheless.

[EXPAT]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvla5XjDQc0

 

 

You can see the clips here. I fully support Rosie. Donald's facts aren't all correct. But I agree, his retort was just mean. But you know he was just doing it for publicity since his Apprentice has been dropping in the ratings and the new season starts in January.

[Guest zipperzone]

>But you know he was just doing it for publicity since

>his Apprentice has been dropping in the ratings and the new

>season starts in January.

 

Well, I for one have no intentions of watching the new season, even although the venue has changed to LA.

 

Trump - another name to be added to my list, right behind Mel Gibson and Michal Richards.

[Guest Dan]

>Donald Trump is a living example that money cannot buy class.

> Unfortunately, because our society is so obsessed with

>wealth, Trump gets lots of exposure and his behavior receives

>so little condemnation, he winds up serving as a role model.

>A negative one, in my opinion, but a role model nonetheless.

 

I thought the same thing. He better hope that this gets forgotten quickly since Rosie posted the Wickepedia entry on him detailing and cataloguing his most outstanding failures.

 

When stocks were flying high, Trump stock was sucking big time. The Wall Street Journal compared him to a stock broker showing a perspective client his new yacht. The broker couldn't sign him because he couldn't show the prospect his CLIENT'S yachts.

 

All smoke and mirrors.

 

Dan Dare

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[+ deej]

All smoke and mirrors on both sides, bubbie.

[augustman]

I find it hard to believe there is support for either side. I find much of what Rosie said to be a situation of the pot calling the kettle black. Trump for his part gave one of the most hilarious but ill conceived responses I have heard in a long time. For both individuals the people that get dumped on is the support staff in business and personal lives. I find both to be nothing more than publicity seeking individuals who will steam roll anyone who may stand in the way of their agenda of fame and fortune.

[augustman]

But one last thought this does have the makings of a great reality series for next season. Maybe Donald and Rosie could be on Dancing with Stars. Or better yet ship them off to a wierd island for Survivor Celebrity series and include Tom and Brooke, maybe Jen, Brad and Angelina and get them all out of here for six months.

[+ purplekow]

>But one last thought this does have the makings of a great

>reality series for next season. Maybe Donald and Rosie could

>be on Dancing with Stars. Or better yet ship them off to a

>wierd island for Survivor Celebrity series and include Tom and

>Brooke, maybe Jen, Brad and Angelina and get them all out of

>here for six months.

 

 

Don't forget to include Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan and Nicole Richie on that island.

 

Paris Hilton, the most googled person in 2006, sad sad sad state of affairs.

[Guest zipperzone]

Round Three

 

They are at it again. Rosie implied in a poem on her blog that he was a pimp (although she did not specifically name him) and he retorted in his usual fashion in a telephone interview with Anderson Cooper.

 

Rosie should be careful - I think there is only so much Walters will put up with,

[+ purplekow]

>Round Three

>

>They are at it again. Rosie implied in a poem on her blog that

>he was a pimp (although she did not specifically name him) and

>he retorted in his usual fashion in a telephone interview with

>Anderson Cooper.

>

>Rosie should be careful - I think there is only so much

>Walters will put up with,

 

 

Trump fails to recognize that this may be unsavory but it is great publicity for the View. Actually, I think he recognizes it and feels it is great publicity for his lifeless TV boredcast The Apprentice.

[Guest zipperzone]

Well here it is Jan 10 and the shit is still flying. I can't believe that there is no PR person in the Trump empire that tells to old fool to shut up - or maybe there was and they heard the famous words "YOU'RE FIRED"

 

Walters has now come out saying that she never said to T that she regretted hiring R and that R would not be around too long. She essentially called T a liar.

 

She also described him as a poor & pathetic man. Wow - if that doesn't rate a thunderous reply from the idiot, I don't know what will.

 

I really don't know why I'm so facinated in watching this train wreck, but I am.......

[edjames]

I agree with the comments thus far. This is a case of who's ego is bigger. It all makes for great press and higher ratings for the View. I find it boring and stupid. The Donald and Rosie both have big mouths and their own point of view but they shouldn't necessarily share it with the world. Now the press is saying that Rosie is in talks to revive her old talk show. Busy lady. First she's got a contract with the View, then she's in negotiations to have a recurring role on Nip/Tuck, and now she's talking about her own show. Does anyone really care?

 

Today's NY Post published a very funny PageSix cartoon about the situation:

 

http://www.nypost.com/delonas/delonas.htm

[Guest alanm]

>Walters has now come out saying that she never said to T that

>she regretted hiring R and that R would not be around too

>long. She essentially called T a liar.

 

I'm on Rosie's side, but find it very hard to believe that Donald Trump

just made up the Barbara Walters' quotes. I've heard Walters talk about her relationship with Roy Cohn over the years. Why did she even have a relationship (friends or lovers, it does not matter) with Roy Cohn in the first place? Loyality is just not a good answer.

[RockHard]

"In my opinion Trump has made a total asshole of himself."[/i]

 

I agree.

 

Donald Trump is a cad, a carny. His ego is larger than the garish buildings he builds and both are overly showy and unattractive. Money can't buy class and it can't buy taste and style either, unless you know how to hire the right artists.

 

Trump is narcissism, 24/7, on steroids. He has a lot of nerve calling Rosie a bully. Trumps entire M.O. is BULLY. Considering his successes, Wall Street strains to respect this guy and they have good reason not to.

 

In a civilized society, gentlemen must never be permitted to beat up on women, no matter what the circumstances. Donald deserves a good slap in the face from his mother. Donald may soon find out that the largest demographic watching The Apprentice are overweight women. His catty, derogatory, anti-fat-women remarks are sure to bite him in the ass.

 

I was a fan of the early seasons of The Apprentice and credit Mark Burnett for creating a clever reality show cast with the right mix of characters. Then the show grew more fake and contrived. Apprentice 3, college versus high school, was a disaster.

 

Carolyn Kepcher was one of the best casting decisions in reality TV, George was second best. When Trump fired Carolyn, I quit peeking in on the show.

 

I've worked with Ivanka and she's poised and lovely but she's no Carolyn. Martha Stewart's Apprentice failed in large part because the side-kicks were seriously miscast. It's happened again.

 

Even though I've worked with Rosie and I enjoy her, I'm not a hyper-fan of Rosie O'Donnell and I don't watch The View. Rosie is a comedian and comedians do what they do. The fact that Donald Trump cannot laugh at himself says a lot about him and his personality. He can be a petty, mean mother-fucker and this is currently on display for the world to see. I'm glad he's not my father.

 

"Why did she (Barbara Walters) even have a relationship (friends or lovers, it does not matter) with Roy Cohn in the first place? Loyality is just not a good answer."[/i]

 

Like some people, relationships can be complicated. Even though we shouldn't judge them, it's impossible to know and judge the entire story without knowing, intimately, the people involved. Power plays a big role and Barbara has always been attracted to power.

[Guest alanm]

>In a civilized society, gentlemen must never be permitted to

>beat up on women, no matter what the circumstances.

 

I assume you are using the phrase "beat up" to designate verbal abuse, not physical. How then are gentlemen in a civilized society permitted to deal with Angela Merkel, the conservative Christain Democratic Party Chancellor of Germany? The United Kingdom and Isreal have had women prime minister, two other civilized societies.

 

Your statement is fine in theory, but unworkable in practice for women in high political leadership positions

[+ deej]

Yep. Not a valid blanket statement unless it also covers Hilary Clinton, Condoleeza Rice, and Nancy Pelosi.

[Guest alanm]

RockHard never responds when you catch him on one of his silly general statements, so decided to just mention women who are (or were) in charge. Rodham Clinton, Rice and/or Pelosi may get to that position one day.

 

Given what people have said about presidents in my lifetime (Truman to Bush), there is absolutely no reason to believe that a woman president will be treated any different, nor should they. Even First Ladies have had to take it in public at the White House, if you remember Eartha Kitt's attach on the war in Vietnam directed spcifically at Lady Bird Johnson. Maybe in RockHard's world, it is okay for one woman to attack another verbally.

[RockHard]

RE: responding to alan and deej

 

"I assume you are using the phrase "beat up" to designate verbal abuse, not physical. How then are gentlemen in a civilized society permitted to deal with Angela Merkel, the conservative Christain Democratic Party Chancellor of Germany? The United Kingdom and Isreal have had women prime minister, two other civilized societies.

Your statement is fine in theory, but unworkable in practice for women in high political leadership positions "

and,

"Yep. Not a valid blanket statement unless it also covers Hilary Clinton, Condoleeza Rice, and Nancy Pelosi."

 

My statement, "In a civilized society, gentlemen must never be permitted to beat up on women, no matter what the circumstances.," was made in the context of discussing Donald Trump's bullying and personal insults hurled at Rosie O'Donnell. Neither person is a politician. To place my comment in any political context, especially in the Lounge, where politics is forbidden, is silly and foolish.

 

That said, even though the world of politics plays by its own rules, woe be the male politician who decides to bully and hurl personal insults at any female candidate. Just one example: pretty boy Rick Lazio.

 

"RockHard never responds when you catch him on one of his silly general statements"

 

WHAT A CROCK OF HORSE SHIT! Alan, I enjoy your posts until you get cunty. Then, much like deej, you become ugly.

 

Contrary to what some may think, I don't spend all my free time on this site and, sometimes, I don't have time to check in to read what has been added.

 

Furthermore, I respond to comments when I can and/or feel like it, and I have NO PROBLEM supporting any one of my "silly general statements." I reiterate, my comment WAS NOT MADE IN THE CONTEXT OF POLITICS, and context matters.

 

And finally, it should be said, I had a WONDERFUL mother who taught me much. We were the best of friends. When you are blessed, as I was, with a fabulous mother, you CANNOT disrespect or hate women. Misogynists can go fuck themselves.

 

As long as we live in a man's world, women will be treated as weaker, regardless of their triumphs and progress. And as long as this persists, men who bully and hurl personal insults at the weak should recieve a mother's slap (and a good, swift kick in the ass).

 

ps I, too, am glad Trump's debut numbers fell flat and I hope his show ends with cancellation. He asked for failure and he should get what he asked for.

[Guest alanm]

RE: responding to alan and deej

 

>That said, even though the world of politics plays by its own

>rules, woe be the male politician who decides to bully and

>hurl personal insults at any female candidate. Just one

>example: pretty boy Rick Lazio.

 

I agree with you about Rick Lazio. I was watching the Clinton/Lazio debate at the gym. It was shocking, and not in a good way, when Lazio walked over to Clinton and asked her to sign his statement about campaign financing. Lazio lost any chance to win the election in that moment.

 

If Rosie continues to express her opinions so often and openly, the general public (female and male) might just say to themselves: enough.

[RockHard]

RE: responding to alan

 

"If Rosie continues to express her opinions so often and openly, the general public (female and male) might just say to themselves: enough."

 

Maybe. But as long as many people agree with Rosie, she's safe. She was right about Trump and wrong on Kelly Ripa. What the hell, nobody's perfect. I'm still glad she's "out" and out there, contributing to the dialogue.

[EXPAT]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2f8TMLbxok

 

From SNL last night

[+ deej]

RE: responding to alan and deej

 

>My statement, "In a civilized society, gentlemen must never be

>permitted to beat up on women, no matter what the

>circumstances.," was made in the context of discussing Donald

>Trump's bullying and personal insults hurled at Rosie

>O'Donnell.

 

Bullshit. You unquestionably used the phrase (and then repeated it) "no matter what the circumstances".

 

You did not say "under any circumstances involving Donald Trump and Rosie O'Donnell", nor did you say "under any circumstances except politics", nor did you qualify the statement in any other way.

 

You expressed a blanked statement that emphatically applies "no matter what the circumstances".

 

I guess we'll just have to guess wildly about whether you ever actually mean what you say. Personally I've always had my doubts.

[RockHard]

RE: responding to deej

 

"Bullshit. You unquestionably used the phrase (and then repeated it) "no matter what the circumstances"."

 

No, it's NOT bullshit because I happen to believe my statement should apply "no matter what the circumstances." The day men begin menstruating and delivering babies is the day I'll revisit my thinking.

 

My feelings about political discussions and behavior rules in that arena remain the same. I've always said I DO NOT view life in black and white.

 

"You did not say "under any circumstances involving Donald Trump and Rosie O'Donnell", nor did you say "under any circumstances except politics", nor did you qualify the statement in any other way."

 

I recommend a valium with that semantics argument, deej. I find people who wallow in semantics dull and B-O-R-I-N-G, especially when they have a splintered stick stuck up their ass!

 

"I guess we'll just have to guess wildly about whether you ever actually mean what you say. Personally I've always had my doubts."

 

No wild guessing games with me, sweetie. All anyone has to do is ask, nicely (not exactly your forte). Furthermore, I always mean what I say.

 

As for your having doubts, ask me if I will ever give a shit. :-)