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To start: I don’t refer necessarily to the interactions between providers on the board, or the annual meetups/luncheons that go on...because these are coordinated events where people have the opportunity to connect as a group in a public setting, versus 2 individuals in a private space. I think it’s beneficial resource to have. I used to be more optimistic about cultivating friendships/connections with other male escorts in real life, but I’m starting to realize I really don’t care to anymore. I finally start to see why guys like the former Micheal Vincenzo (think I got it right?) who I’d chatted with, told me he only sticks to clients when he travels. I’m just finding many of my last couple meetups with another escort 1 on 1, have just had no depth beyond the video we shot. 1 guy, I’ve known him as a bartender for years, he rushed thru our video shoot, and was dashing off to a client the minute we finished. I also suggested he come to the chic air bnb spot I had, with ample natural lighting and “props”...yet he wanted to call the shots on the whole scene, meeting at his hotel (is it just me, or does anyone else feel like hotel backgrounds cheapens the porn? One video, it was obvious they used a courtyard Mariott) with dim lighting and probably thin walls to boot. There was also another guy I linked up with, who we’d been trying to fuck for awhile...but he was always pushy and kinda condescending about it, and admitted he was “sober” now, but we finally did. And it was great. Except afterwards, he just completely went MIA. Not sure what it was, but whatever it was I wouldn’t know. So fast forward to this weekend, there was another escort guy in town who we’d previously tried to meet as well. But he seemed kind of sketchy, so I never went thru with it. This was time I was like, let me not be judgmental about other sex workers. But once again, it was just a mess. The agreement was to shoot a video. But then he tells me can we do it without our faces in it. Before that it took him 4-5 hours to respond back about meeting up. At this point I’m like, I’m not even about to leave my house to meet him, because that’s just inconsiderate. So I told him today, I really haven’t been meeting a lot of other guys in the biz lately. Not to mention, at the end of the day, we are competition. We can pretend to look at it like we’re not, but fact of the matter is, we are. How can sit and be cheesing (smiling) and grinning and doing freebie hookups, with a guy who may have very well offered full service for $100 to one of my potential clients? Not to say that I should be mad about it, but how does that benefit our interaction? Going back to the other guy I knew as a bartender, there’s been a couple times we’ve been in the same city. Most every conversation is, “I have a client scheduled at this, this, and that time.” Like, why do I need to know everytime you have a client? How is that supposed to make me feel inspired, if I’m maybe had a slow or bad day/week, or just not in a position to take calls. It doesn’t. I find some escort guys, that’s the bulk of what they talk about. The last client, and the next client. And I just don’t find that conducive to me at all. Maybe I’m tripping, but part of me feels like some interactions I have begun to outgrow. Not to sound selfish, but if there doesn’t seem to be a purpose or foundation for me in a certain interaction...I almost don’t see the reason.

not to mention, the stimulus checks are the actual economy booster. I was on tour the 1st weekend it hit, the malls were jammed packed.

I also have a tiered level of service as well. My lowest rate is $150, and my highest is $400. There’s no rich guy, poor guy sliding scale here. It’s just a basic service for an hour, versus a full service for a couple of hours. and the “rich guys don’t need to hire escorts” statement is asinine, but has a slight bit of truth that’s unfounded. I do know that the most “flamboyant” show of wealth guys: don’t always be the ones doing the hiring. I find just your average Honda Accord type of guy, can be your biggest paying client, but the Mercedes Benz dude could be the one asking for $100.

I’m flattered. If I was the last escort on earth, it certainly would be of least concern as to whether you wanted to meet me...considering I’d likely be so busy with other clients who have no other escorts to see ? Well that does sound like a good way to go about things. Is it male escort based? I know of a female based site that does that. The suggestion I make is from back when Men4Rent used to have such a feature. It was called review clients feature. Whenever I had an issue with a client, I could see that another provider marked them. Occasionally I’d reach out to the provider and ask them what happened, and they would confirm perhaps something similar

I’m flattered. If I was the last escort on earth, it certainly would be of least concern as to whether you wanted to meet me...considering I’d likely be so busy with other clients who have no other escorts to see ? Well that does sound like a good way to go about things. Is it male escort based? I know of a female based site that does that. The suggestion I make is from back when Men4Rent used to have such a feature. It was called review clients feature. Whenever I had an issue with a client, I could see that another provider marked them. Occasionally I’d reach out to the provider and ask them what happened, and they would confirm perhaps something similar

Yes, or even a different scenario: being in a codependent relationship with someone who's simply an atm. I recently lost an "old" friend likely due to some kinda drug overdose (old because I let go of the friendship after receiving disparaging messages from him a couple months earlier) who was critical about my lifestyle choice about being an escort, yet he was living off of a guy and their relationship was volatile, but both of them seemed to enjoy their brewing toxicity amongst the lavish good times they would have. That said, I'm not sure where this drug addiction reference came into play. Nothing in the article seems to point to that.

Right, and in some areas much more than others. I went thru my iPhone blocked list, and it’s long...but it should be 3 times as long as it is lol. I haven’t been blocking enough. But now, I’m going to even go so far as to just block anyone who’s texts and “ghosts” the 1st time. Because I been finding they more likely come back around and do it again at a later time, and I forget how they handled things last time. This week alone I’ve already blocked 3 numbers, all in the same area. It’s exactly why I initially wanted to just freeze my ad until I was ready to go on tour again. Why have an ad up, just to be irritated ??‍♂️ That’s not what I paid for. But I spoke to RentMen, they assured me that soon they may be considering taking my suggestion to add a “portal” that only escorts can access, that will allow us to share contacts of problematic people...that way we can avoid running into the same jokers over and over again. Because those same jokers are likely running the same game on multiple escorts, and we should have some way of knowing to use judgement or avoid seeing a particular person, if another provider said he stood him up as well.

Ah interesting link there lol. I can't help but think of the "bachelorette" though when it comes down to all the guys a woman would have to choose from. I'll stick with my gay 3 ways though. My last one was...something to recall. Even the dog tried to break up the party by plopping himself onto the bed lol.

Lol thanks luv! ? ...was just one of those random sitting on a couch hotel moments, where I felt like getting my selfie stand out.

Met him once for the 1st time years back at @Oliver annual Palm Springs bash. Had a nice 1 on 1 chat poolside at Canyon Club or something like that. We didn’t always see eye to eye, and he could be stern...but glad we were able to put our differences aside and remain cordial. So sad lately, many older “vets” of the community have been passing away this year. I find myself reaching out to former regulars not for money, but just to make sure they’re okay. So important to take care of ourselves, and each other -Jerry

To start: I sympathize with your vulnerability. I recently lost a friend as well earlier this year. It’s hard to keep a straight persona. However, I’m talking to the universe. The universe may include those who happen to be escorts. Even though these questions may feel uncomfortable, I still have a reason to ask them. There’s a lot of stuff that goes on, that I can’t always comprehend. And yes, it gets annoying when it becomes recurring. But 2 minds are better the one, usually. They’re just questions though, not any plot to harp on any individual person. So there should be no hard feelings on anyone’s part. But yes: people send pictures all the time and get laid in the best way. That’s facts. But, I’m talking about a very specific process, that pertains to this line of work. I didn’t want to say it, but you read ? my mind to the T ?? I could see if they sent the picture and DIDN’T flake, but why bother doing it, if they aren’t going to go thru with the visit? Would they not be concerned with a sex worker possibly using their pics in ways that could be, not great? Not that I have a reason to, but hypothetically speaking. Its just ridiculous. On the one hand it’s a very nice and reassuring gesture WHEN they actually follow thru. On the other hand, it cheapens our correspondence to a Grindr chat session, when they send pics and then ghost midstream. Not to mention my ad phone is not plugged into an unlimited carrier. Those pics ad to my data usage.

This is generally an ideal scenario... however it really just depends on the situation. I’ve found 3 ways with another escort does not equate to less work than with 2 clients (it’s also usually never 2 “clients” verbatim, but 1 client who has someone he regularly plays or lives with). In my experience, I personally have mixed feelings about doing a session with another escort. On the one hand it can be fun, but on the other, you’re working harder to “perform” than if it were you alone or with 2 clients. I feel I have more “direction” over a couple that’s 2 clients, than with another escort. When it’s 2 escorts, I feel the client is doing most of the directing. When it’s me and 2 clients, I can direct: okay suck him while I fuck you, suck me while he fucks you, etc. fuck him, while I’m fucking you ? I remember one 3 way where the client wanted a bunch of clothespins attached to his scrotum. I didn’t want to do that. He asked the other escort to. So it was like, okay now I’ve got to be even MORE kinkier to match that? ?

Ha, interesting. I can see the appeal of the fantasy, but it’s just not for me. And like you say, a lot of toying that goes on. I did have one on tour which coulda been genuine, but he sent a picture of them both so I don’t know. I know there’s a market for those type of scenes, but again it’s always the man talking and setting it up. I also don’t like the idea of “surprises”. If this is a 3som, both parties need to be in the know.

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up. It had even gotten to a point in KC where I had just stopped working all together for about 2 weeks. Most of the incalls would need to meet by about 3 pm, and I couldn’t accommodate those hours after the holidays. So I pretty much just gave up, considering there’s also fewer and fewer clients who can host. During a visit to one city, all of my requests were incalls. I didn’t mind because since I have to get a hotel anyway, it’s usually more preferred they come to me. But people still trying it. I had to block one prior meet client after he said he was “available all day”, then tells me he has plans with his kids at 4, when I said I could meet him at 3. When I’m traveling...I don’t even give these cities “time” like I used to. If it’s not happening after a day or 2...and mofos playing around/not confirming, I’ll leave. If I didn’t have doings in Kansas City, I’d give this place 1 day...and keep it moving. I had to do that in a couple of cities on my last tour. El Paso would have only gotten 1 night from me as well, but I was tired from traveling and decided to bunk and explore there for like 3-4 days. But I had 1 overnight client, while all the rest no showed. COVID stuff aside, I still can’t help but wonder if the continued lack of being able to post rates...is what’s causing some of the reoccurring mayhem. If guys could clearly see from the start what the price is, maybe there would be less turnover. Fortunately a good number are still in the market for the 200/300 expectation.

Yeah I happened in the right time. and arrived to Phoenix the weekend that everything opened. Stayed at a “hip” hotel downtown, and there was music, brunch and crowds on the rooftop. However I didn’t make it to any gay bars while I was there. The traffic in Phoenix also seems to have gotten close to LA status again as well. I actually missed that one (fortunently). I was in Arizona that weekend. There was a couple other “smaller” snowstorms (if you call 10 inches of snow in 1 night small lol) prior to that big one though, and I was there. That’s one thing I didn’t miss about being in Denver (or likely any major northern city) full time. Appointments start cancelling before the snow, and if you’re lucky, you’ll get someone wanting an outcall...despite the roads being snowpacked.

I’m just curious. I can’t help but ask. But what is up with these people? I never really ask for a picture, usually just some basic primitive details like a name, age and whether they are top or bottom. However, some guys will send a pic...and me thinking they’re more serious, still end up being a flake. I’m thinking of an instance during one of my visits earlier this month: guy sends me a picture with his mask on. Fair enough, but I ask him politely in a few messages later: do you care to send me a pic without your mask on (because why the fuck would you do that, not like going to catch COVID over the phone lol). He then gets his panties in a knot saying he is going to cancel, because he shouldn’t have to be “judged” by his looks...and then sends me a picture without his mask anyway ??‍♂️ So now I’m just like, don’t even send me a pic if you’re going to flake. I had a conversation with someone today, telling them that I still can’t have daily conversations with him just because he sent me a couple of pics of himself: at the end of the day I still never met him and he still hasn’t paid his deposit for the future session. So the hell would I even know if it’s him, or him 10 years ago ??‍♂️ Not to say all clients who send pics are this way, but it does seen more and more who do so...end up being flakes. Like today someone sent me a pic, and made like we were doing an appointment today. Flaked. So idk, what’s this all about.

Good perspective. And yes, I do notice overall hotel visits and travelers are down. However I recently was in Scottsdale Arizona at the W, and a visitor was in town for a conference. So it does sound like things are moving along again. However state by state really varies. Some places hotel restaurants are all closed, in others they are doing Sunday brunches. Let’s hope the trend continues. Hope your next itinerary brings you a good f*ck from ☝? ?

I seem to get this request every now and again, and most recently I decided to just emphasize clearly in my ads, that I will not be taking any requests for these type of visits. I've done LOTS of male couples and 3 ways, but only 1 where there was a woman in the room...and she wasn't his wife, but another escort. It's usually always a guy contacting (never the woman) discussing he's looking to plan something for/with his wife and or girlfriend. This seems to be mere fantasy, but I did once accept a booking of this nature once, and it fell thru at the last minute. The client citing his wife became ill of sorts. Just the other day I got another request similar to this: spent a few minutes chatting over phone, he's going on about it being a surprise for his wife but that he too would also be joining and playing...as in she would also be totally okay with this. Never happened, nor did I expect it to. Is this a real life thing going on? I know of swingers events and obviously bi porn out there. But it seems the ones coming to Rentmen and company for it, aren't the real deal. I also don't really do bi encounters anyway, so whenever it is presented, I usually just want to say no anyway.

I know some people have been compelling me to get back on the grind here...but lately when I'm on tour, my free time is usually a commodity. Wanted to see what others experiences have been so far in this post-pandemic (saying post only due to the vaccines rolling out) environment. My opinion so far: things still seem quite up and down, but sustainable. There's more people coming out to play, but having traveled to several cities since the year started, it's hard to guage. I don't feel busy in the moment, day to day. But over the course of a couple weeks, things end up looking good. There was a couple of cities I visited where I've only ended up with 1 in person client. Others fared better, but some still could have been better. I know in many places, I can feel the eagerness to meet. Guys coming out of quarantine and hibernation. But it's coming in waves, often last minute with not much planning or time window. It seems now, one has to just always be available. I rarely put up "available now" because it's rare someone is available the same time I'm available. So I just try to predict and manage. But my last tour had its moments, and I likely wouldn't of been able to recoup from no shows, had I not gotten a couple of longer appointments, and 1 town in particular that had me a client or 2 each day the whole weekend. So overall, it's definitely gotten better...but I wouldn't say it's the roaring 20s just yet. I think the stimulus checks have been an overall godsend, but only to a degree because the market is still saturated just about everywhere.

My thing is: what is considered clean shaven? Bare with a razor, or just trimmed low? Because there’s both. So maybe he did shave, but just left a 5 o’clock shadow trim? If someone asked me to be clean shaven, I would not take the appointment, even for extra money. Especially since I have no issue getting laid with it. However, mine would be more about health versus image. I cannot take a full shave. I can get line ups and even straight razor, but not a full clean shave. I would break out and get quite bumpy, and the irritation of growing it back would last for days. I can however trim to a low length, but I personally don’t like the look on me as I feel that it detracts my look a bit and brings attention to features that the beard helps conceal. Times have changed tho!!

I learned that scam when I first was looking for places in Denver lol. If the budget is less than $1,200 a month, cherry creek was actually Glendale, or worse: Leetsdale. I was looking at apartments that looked nice on the outside, but when there's 1 washer and dryer for the whole floor of units...that's not cherry creek lol. Some of those areas are even a bit sketch. Not dangerous, but not quite highlands ranch. Reminds me of when in Miami back in the day: all those "close to the beach" budget motels were actually more populated by palmetto bugs than actual tourists. Some of these properties give neighbourhoods a bad name.

Yeah, I'm thinking of sending an email to Rentmen letting them know my thoughts. But, I figure they did their research and have their reasons. But Adam4Adam used to do the same thing as well: lots of cities and neighborhoods to search in. Great for proximity purposes, but not great when your neighborhood has the same 3 guys online day in, day out. That's why I prefer if things were simply separated by area: north Chicago, south Chicago, west Chicago, east Chicago. Far north, far west, far south, etc.

Lol, this! That's why it's important manually choose an area that's in the city. If a new client sees something like that, he could get freaked out and think it's some kinda of operation going on. I've seen a few cities default to a governmental buildings, including what you mentioned. L.A. is a city where I think the extra listings are important. L.A. could be anywhere within a 75 mile radius. But, I can understand why someone wouldn't want to be defaulted to one neighborhood for opportunity reasons.

Possibly, however I feel there's more clarification. Sometimes I've found rentmasseur to have more flakes than Rentmen. But I've found that Adam4Adam used to have more flakes back when "escort" was an option for advertisers. However, I still get some people on the site contacting me, then telling me they don't pay for s**, despite my pro ad saying "masseur".

It's good that you bring this up, in fact I was just in Denver and was able to see how all of this works. Rentmen just recently updated a lot of the cities now. I think it's good that they are including more neighborhoods, but there is a problem with 2 things to be aware of: "Glendale" area is pretty much any of those hotels along S. Colorado Blvd. On the advertiser end, when a provider clicks on "find me, show current/home location", the map will place the provider wherever their location is. With the addition of smaller towns and cities (this was something Rentboy used to do years ago), one can easily be defaulted to a smaller, lesser known location. Having just finished a 45 day tour this week, I've seen 1st hand how it works in many cities. Phoenix is another area with lots of towns within the metro. So if a provider just clicks "find me" and share map...they could end up being placed in a town that's not under the main city: e.g. Cherry Creek instead of Denver The issue with the additional options is: if an advertiser clicks the automated map me feature, it may list them in a location that’s not of the main city they may want to be in: e.g. Glendale instead of Denver (or Los Angeles or Phoenix since both cities also have a suburb named Glendale). In fact, Glendale has its own police department, which I learned after a buddies liquor store was robbed at gunpoint ? always something in Colorado, right? However, the fix is easy: just ensure your map is pinpointed to the main city, but turn off the map me feature. Otherwise clients may see it and think you’re in an area that you’re not. I personally prefer to keep mine off unless I’m actually in the city area, and show as such. I did use Cherry Creek a couple of times, because it was the location I was in, and it gives a chance to standout amongst the sea of ads which is Denver. That said, I was happy with the level of biz happening in Denver this go. Idk if it was 1 thing or a combination of things. I do know that I wasn’t trying to do a lot of “hanging out” and kept a hotel location the entire time, versus crashing with friends and hoping to get advanced appointments. The only things that slowed it down, was the 2nd blizzard BEFORE the 3rd big blizzard. Which caused a couple appointments to fall thru. By the time of the 3rd one, I was already clear out to Arizona lol