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Now see, I was with you 100%, about to mark your reply as the “solution”, until the last sentence. Was the snippy exit necessary? Probably not. Like I told someone else, no need to answer on my behalf. And also don’t assume you know what I want to hear. I’m just responding to your posts that’s all. When it comes to opinions, it’s easy to say don’t do this and don’t that PERIOD. But what’s the alternative? If I were to turn down a $200 booking (hypothetically speaking), who’s going to pick up on the phone bill? The hotel for the night? The automo-bill insurance? No I do not, like to accept less than what I know I have to offer for a session. Yes I understand what my value and worth is. No I don’t encourage haggling. Yes I am willing to walk away from money sometimes. No I’m not desperate and willing to see anybody for any dollar. Yes I’m aware there’s plenty of clients out there that, even if one can’t pay the rate, another may very well be able to. But with all that said: at the end of the day, if I can make something work and the person is willing and serious about the booking: I reserve the right to take it, if it suits the situation. I don’t necessarily have the privilege to turn down every booking that isn’t my rate though.

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I reserve the option to correct something if I feel it didn’t represent what I said. A discussion forum shouldn’t be a one way street. I think this is where you and others get offended: you want to say something, and then for me to say nothing. How is that resolving anything? I’m not going to yes and agree with every comment, IF it’s taking something I say out of context. You said, what YOU thought I meant. And I corrected you. That’s not what I said. I’m not just going to say, “oh okay, I won’t do that anymore”. On top of that, people are giving conflicting advice, so I have to reply back. You have one guy telling me, “lower your rates if you’re not busy”, then I have you telling me, “don’t ever lower your rates even if you’re not busy, leave the business instead”. Everyone has the option to give opinions. I don’t know why some people here act like they’re paid professional advisories for the society of escort affairs. Everybody has an opinion, and I can trade my thoughts as I please. I’m tired of people thinking they can dictate my decisions and circumstances, as if I have no sense or experience of my own to know how to make things work. This whole topic was simply me discussing a common price naming observation, namely the $100-$150-$200 realm. People took the opportunity to get offended and throw out personal statements and rumors about multiple accounts that have no basis..

You could have just stopped here. Once again, you are still saying I’m talking about Blackness. You keep addressing what’s convenient for you to address, but totally ignore or skip over everything else I said. Did you read ANYTHING I posted above? You can’t even say anything relevant about the info I posted. If you actually took the time to read it, instead of being a vitriol queen all the time; maybe you can learn something. And then maybe you could leave your personal qualms elsewhere. But if you just keep coming on here, and keep talking the same noise everytime I say something about Black: then you aren’t getting the message. For all the talk about me complaining, you come on every thread I post and say something negative or contradicting. If you don’t like it, leave. I’m giving you permission and the option, to leave. If you don’t like what I post so much, you don’t have to come on. I’m really bewildered. If you feel a certain way about things I post, then exclude yourself.

Mister: you are a piece of work (and I’m censoring that A LOT) You know that? If you’re going to ask me a question, at least have the decency to let me respond to it. To go and answer it for me yourself, and then try to make some comparison: you sound hella vindictive, #1. And #2, I said nothing specific about WHITE people expecting something for free. The point wasn’t an issue about racism, it was about accessibility. Again: you’re so quick to make presumptions about me, that you put your foot in your mouth. Let me educate you, genius: Most of my clients are White. However, I also know that Black clients don’t always book us in the same proportion as White clients do. I live near a city that is about 28% Black. That sounds like a small number, but the actual Black population of the U.S. in general is: And notice where most of that concentration lies: mainly in the south and east. There’s an entire south side section of the city nearest to me, that is majority Black. Guess how many clients have booked me in those areas? Next to non. Most who book me tend to be the White or Hispanic guys who live in the adjacent suburban area to the west. They are the ones often booking me, sending deposits, showing up, or traveling thru. I don’t even work in the main city, because the Black population is so high to the extent that many of the potential clients, have already gotten to meet willing Black guys who are willing to hookup with them for free. I’ve seen it first hand myself. I go out to the bars in my local Midwest area, many of the Black guys are with White partners. What I don’t see is a whole lot of openly out Black couples together. Which goes to show, it’s not JUST “white people being racist”. I never said that in the first place, but you’re another person here who needs context to understand what I am referring to. It’s an accessibility thing, and I have seen how accessibility can make businesses more or less productive. I do better in Minneapolis with 10% Black population, than I have in Chicago with over 30%. Since you’re so smart, maybe you can figure out why that might be the case. And FYI, the only thing “shining thru” is my many reviews and content posted that clients love and enjoy. Why you are stuck on playing thorn on my side all the time, I don’t know why. And people like you, I don’t trust too much anyway because you’ll go and praise some Black guys or name drop, but then turn around and put another one down when they speak their mind or talk about something you don’t want to hear.

Babe, you don’t have to tell me what I did or didn’t say earlier. I know exactly what I said and what I meant. You just misinterpreted it differently and thought I was applying that in the manner you described. Listen carefully: I rather offer different levels of options because I know that different clients have different needs and desires. I don’t necessarily think it’s fair to charge a client who’s just looking for less, the same as another who’s looking for more. You may feel you rather charge 1 hourly price for everything, but that’s not always real world what’s happening. And yes I can say no, no, no to anything less than a certain amount: but I know from experience that it doesn’t always equate to lowering my value or worth. They may just be seeing my ad in town for the first time, and don’t have the budget for my higher sessions. I know of people who be like: “my rate is $300”. That’s ALL they offer. Is just $300. And guess what? It offers no flexibility. RentMasseur offers all these options, which I’ve left unchecked to show all the choices: This is the new updated RentMasseur. So obviously they thought about it enough to realize providers CAN AND SHOULD, have the option to list multiple rates. Now if you think I’m just going to go down the list and put the same rate for every option: you have me mistaken.

Amen 🇺🇸 And I’ll add too: it can come even outside of the business. That’s why I don’t buy into people telling me to “leave the business” just because they don’t like topics I post. It’s deeper than just a small talk, break room talk (and I’ve known people come home everyday and talk to me about their coworkers, customers, bosses, etc. yet still work there) Over the summer, I met with a guy: we went on 2 dates/fucked on a weekend. Both times I invited him up to the place I was bunking at: a friend’s office/studio since I was visiting from out of state. Great times. Well the next time I came to town, I ask if we could make arrangements to stay at his place, because my friend’s office studio was unavailable that week. You know what he says? “Oh I don’t feel comfortable with you spending the night over at my place”. 🤨 I gave him a nice kiss off, and went on about my business. That’s why I’m so tired of phony people and why I much rather deal with clients. I’ve had clients with much bigger homes than these typical gay scene guys out here creeping and sleeping around. Clients have occasionally said: “here’s the key, make yourself comfortable”. So no, I don’t have to leave the business. If someone can’t handle shop talk, there’s no obligation to participate. I talk about stuff because it’s not necessarily possible to discuss on ads or in every client situation. Why people want to come here and start making guesses about someone’s character, is senseless. I’m glad that I’ve found an enclave of sex workers away from this forum, who are more transparent and open to discussions without worrying about losing the limelight of potential clients. AND SPEAKING of St. Louis, referring to another poster: the only person I’ve been able to rely on when I go there, happens to be a client friend I’ve known since 2020. All the other people outside of clients I’ve met there have been fake as hell, or they turn their nose up just because I’m not “Black enough” or “White enough” or soon as I reveal I’m in the industry, they turn their nose up and start whispering to their friends, before ghosting you for no reason. So I don’t need anyone telling me what is and isn’t a wasteland. I’m hoping to potentially move to Los Angeles next year. I’ve wasted half of my 30s living in areas that don’t really do me justice. If that falls thru, I’ll need a intervention 😭

Let me clarify: a lower price as in the lower price that I already offer as part of my tier level sessions. Not in the sense of: “I’ll lower the price” just because I’m asked to. Any expectation set will be: this does not include everything…so don’t give me that, “my regular masseur massages me and fucks me for $120” nonsense (true stories).

$100 is an awful price, unless it’s just what’s left of what I deposit into the bank lol. But you’d be surprised. There’s cities in the USA, that’s what guys offer. Like I said earlier, I’ve worked tirelessly to move beyond that. I try to go more for longer bookings, but if I can’t for whatever reason: $200 is the bare minimum. And that’s a good point you make, because I’m tired of people like @PhileasFogg saying stuff like, “well if you’re not busy, you need to take what you can get”. Fuck that. People’s logic sometimes 🤨 If anything, when things are slower I actually don’t want to do anything for cheap honestly. There’s cities I advertise in, that I won’t go unless I get booked for 2 hour or longer sessions. Anything less not worth it. When I’m busy off my feet, that’s when I might not mind doing massage for a lower price. Just because, it accentuates what I’ve already made. But I’m not going to waste gas, wear and tear and think: “I’ll book 5 guys for $100 each”. THAT, is insanity. Because those $100 guys won’t even appreciate that rate and will likely flake too. The less one charges, the less they respect. That’s a deposit anyway, not a rate.

I’ll also add one other thing: I’ve noticed when I put my ads on “registered members only” for the phone number: I deal with much less nonsense. I did that for the duration of the last holiday weekend. I didn’t want to get sidetracked or in a bad mood dealing with nonsense. My ad phone does become quieter, however I don’t have to deal with as much of the riff raff. For example, I have my rates posted in my ad on one site, and website to my rates in another. The first couple sentences in my ad give directions to my rates. Guess what messages I got when I put my number publicly visible? Mind you, non of these turned into bookings. Thats the issue. They’re texting too early, and too late. Then I reply with the rundown, they don’t rely back or say it’s too much. I partly blame RentMen and RentMasseur: the same sites that are supposed to be supporting us, are also doing us no good and dirty. I have told them endlessly: PLEASE ALLOW US TO CUSTOMIZE A LITTLE FORM WHEN CLIENTS CLICK OUR PHONE NUMBER INSTEAD OF, “PLEASE ASK FOR ME, SAY YOU FOUND ME ON RENTMEN.” This way, they have no excuse to not know our rate or whether we can host or not, availability etc. So many inquiries but not many bookings coming out of them. I don’t know how they manage to find the number without reading anything else? I don’t expect everyone to be an academy scholar reader: but I would hope most clients can read the first couple sentences of an before calling someone ESPECIALLY asking the same tired “what’s your rate” question. At least say something that is relevant in the ad to give the impression they’ve read it. Regardless of what someone feels about how I do things, I DO KNOW what was happening when I wasn’t doing them…and meeting tons of reliable people wasn’t one of them. But it’s sad that some people want to come on here and try to denigrate me and posters with similar concerns, just because it doesn’t fit into their bubbly “I’m doing so great in the business, everybody loves me ooo la la la. Don’t say anything about how you feel” narrative. Child, please. This is a business of reality. And don’t think I don’t appreciate real people like you who can come on here and be truthful about the things we’re having to deal with 🎤

Wow. Is that how it is? Okay. I get it. I’m quite disheartened. You’ve shown to be 2 faced and like to play the safe card. I haven’t had the chance 1st of all, to even read or respond to what his reply was. So where do you come off saying I won’t take his advice? Then to add insult to injury you criticize again deposit and consultation fees and call it tariffs? I thought you were a real person to confide in, but once again it’s shown me that a lot of people in this gay lifestyle and especially the sex work industry: are artificial and fake. I’ve seen it time and again this year, and I’m tired. I guess I should take the blame for being so trusting and allowing people with salty intentions in my circle. I’m not doing it again. Thankyou for your service, but I’m ending the friendship. You want to keep coming here and throwing me under the bus on threads, I won’t tolerate it. Agree/disagree but I won’t be belittled.

Thanks much. I appreciate what you have said. I don’t do any kind of drug/party stuff either. Some of my most compromising situations, have been when I have agreed to meet people who were either knowingly or unknowingly on it. And absolutely, there’s nobody going to be living rent free in my head 👍🏾 Again, like I said: the context I was using. It wasn’t to say medical care for an animal is not important. What I was saying is: I would be hard pressed to hear that someone is willing to spend $1,500 on a “spontaneous” vet bill (I’ve had a dog, and 2 cats myself…and unless it’s an actual injury, most of them did NOT require the $250 “emergency fee” that I found myself faced with). My dog was once diagnosed years ago (I don’t have pets now) with (edit) mange. The medication was going to be $240. I was 18 working an entry level job at the time. I said no. Went to PetsMart, found the most expensive flea/tick shampoo ($18ish I think) and used it. Within a week, the mange cleared. But the vet wouldn’t even say, “You can go to petsmart and pick up…” they’re running a business like any other. I had to look it up for myself. Now; there are men out there who will pay huge vet bills…but then turn around when it comes to booking a provider, it’s “I don’t have that much”. See what I mean? That’s why I say: you’re buying into the bullies on here, and misinterpreting the context I’m using in the process. I’m going to speak on that further in a moment… political climate is importance in this biz. Lot of things are down to politics. Well you know what? That’s too bad. Your loss. Comments like yours, are the reason many escorts don’t post on here. So when someone asks, “why don’t more escorts post here”: you’ll be the answer. And if someone has the lack of integrity to come on here and say they won’t book someone based on their posts here…knowing that could damage their credibility: that makes you look worse than me. It goes to show you’re judgmental, and rather this forum be a place only for clients than actual discussions among the community as a whole. Goodbye 👋🏾

The people making those assumptions; they are bored and petty. I changed my username for personal reasons (Google searches can look up posts under someone’s working name…and I prefer to share things only in the realm of those who are actively seeking out this platform). So why they formulate some weird assumption about me using multiple usernames? And then want to throw out old former names to try and embarrass me. I’m not embarrassed one bit. You know who’s had multiple names? Just about every Hollywood movie star lol. Dwayne Johnson Secures Ownership Rights to 25 Names and Catchphrases, Including ‘Rock Nation’ and ‘Candy Ass,’ Under Deal With WWE’s Parent VARIETY.COM Dwayne Johnson, who broke out as a star in the WWE ring, has gained rights to a number of nicknames and... There’s no multiple accounts, like I stated. Some people just prefer to live in a bubble and think the only person who talks about things not being all champagne 🍾 and roses 🥀 in the industry: is me. They rather hold onto the nostalgia of smoke and mirrors: “It's always the same nonsense, same topics already beat to death that seem to resurface 🙄 “ Well, I’ve always said nobody has to be here if they don’t want to. You’re a great writer and speaker, maybe you can post some threads that talk about how clients and escorts can better relate? It’s often the same topics for me, because it’s the same shit that keeps coming around. For example: I had a client a couple months ago give me $500. Perfect right? But then he starts this bullshit: First it was $150, and then: Now he’s offering $30? Really? This is the type of mind fuck bullshit I deal with. And I hate when people like @Ali Gator and @PhileasFogg @Simon Suraciwho constantly gaslight, ridicule, and misinterpret the things I say to try and make like I’m crazy. No, I’m not. What people need to do, is admit that sometimes escorts, specifically ESCORTS OF CERTAIN RACIAL (Black) BACKGROUNDS IN AMERICA often have to deal with shit, that those who are of other ethnic backgrounds or giving it up for free, might not. And even if they do, it still may not be to the LEVEL that we may deal with. The issue keeps coming up because nobody is actually addressing it or encouraging alternative ways to resolve it. And here’s the thing: I’ve DONE THE THINGS to resolve it: (website, deposits, cancel fees, consultations, etc etc and etc etc on top of etc etc); yet these people STILL try to find reasons to nitpick and undermine it. It’s annoying. I know you’re one of the few who understand, but I just need you to champion that more, versus just saying what you think people here want to hear. You can’t have my back, but then jump on the bandwagon of intolerance, when it’s convenient. Just isn’t going to work for me. That’s not how I roll.

Girl bye. You are so fake and phony. I’ve addressed you before, there’s no reason to keep baiting me into conflicts with you. We’ve agreed to disagree, I’ve said what I have to say: just move on. I’ve agreed and disagreed with things you’ve said like an adult. No reason to come here and start making false claims about someone having multiple user names. It makes the moderators look incompetent (because wouldn’t I have been banned if I was trolling making multiple user names? Hmm 🤔). And It makes YOU look childish and petty. Goodbye 👋🏾 You have completely misinterpreted the meaning of what I said. I have owned a dog, and I’ve gone to the vet more than once. I use that simply for the fact that, people often put the dog’s worth at a higher pedestal than a human’s worth: specifically the human they are fucking. It wasn’t in any sense, meant to negate the medical care of a dog. And you sure have a lot of clout to come on here and have the audacity to tell me to find a new line of work? Who the fuck do you think you are? What bills or contributions are you making of mine, to suggest I go find some other way to earn a living? You are out of your rabid ass mind. Don’t address me again on here if that’s the mentality you have. Because I absolutely won’t tolerate it.

Coming back to this topic, I’ve been away: I noticed it was merged but I know I had created a 2nd topic originally called $150 blessing or a curse lol. I’m going to quote you first. Because you have a knack for trying to dispute me. And I am going to show you why some of your ideology is incorrect. And the people who “liked” your post, can probably learn something too. What you’re saying sounds good in theory. But I’ve cautioned before on the forum about people using hypothetical numbers to predict someone’s income. You’re basing it on the idea that, $150 is going to be a reasonable amount for all clients. But I’m going to show you real world evidence that gives a different window to that: #1: I’ve never seen 2 clients a day everyday, and I’ve been in the game for over 10 years. Let’s be clear on that. I’m not a conveyor belt #2: Your half brother tradesman is irrelevant to this discussion. Idk what $50 an hour he’s referring to, and it probably is nothing to do with this. And clearly if it did, based on YOUR logic: he should be busy off his feet for $50. If you say $150 is an easy gateway. #3: Years ago I lived in a city when Craigslist was popular (San Antonio). Most of the guys only wanted to pay $100 max. I had my own place, car, so could do incall or outcall. I was often available last minute, with no deposit required. I did $60-$80 rub and tugs for a time, but I wasn’t getting anywhere. The money they were giving me was just enough to pay rent and personal expenses. But after about 7-8 months: everything dried up. Those phantom regulars never became regulars. Most only came once or twice. They were getting their thrill for cheap, and disappearing. I even had one regular say, “how much would you charge to ***k me next time?” I must have said 150/200 (again, this is like 2010 time frame). He’s like: “I don’t have that kind of money”. WOW. Really? And he’s come like 3-4 times previously. I think that was the last time I seen him. There’s ALOT of men out there, who think $50-$60-$100 for s** is a good price to pay. I have worked TIRELESSLY to get away from that stigma. It’s a misconception, myth, assumption, lie, misbelieve, preconceived notion, fantasy: that if a guy charges a rate for X amount: that it will equate to more money in his pocket over time. Let’s be clear on that. #4: You don’t have to tell me what St. Louis is not. I’ve experienced both there and Kansas City well enough to know what goes on. Whether other guys are doing $150 or not is besides the fact. What I do know is, many of them don’t even want to pay that much, or they expect Black sex to be free, so some waste our time pretending to be interested in paying, only to not follow thru. I’ve seen it first hand. And it’s one reason why for a long time, I’ve avoided many high concentrated Black cities because: that same logic you tout about “finding anyone for XXX amount” is all too common where Black and Poverty coexist. Now…back to the proof I was promising about the $150 idea “having 2 clients a day @ $1,500 a week” (client speaking in grey message). I offered him an easy 150 meet for just a short session that he requested: and couldn’t keep the appointment. Just giving me the run around. Most of the time, these $150 guys either don’t become regulars or…they want something impossible like a last minute, same day appointment. I’ve said before, to have that type of set up: someone has to either be available round the clock, or really have no dignity or integrity about their friends, family and other clients to be able to stay available all the time for low ball clients. Then, the clients who patronize that kind of service, want to come to ME and talk about how they got scammed because they paid $150 for a 30 second blow job 🎤 Fast toward to earlier this week: I was given 800 for a two session EXPERIENCE with a client. THAT is the kind of money I want to deal with. Scrapping crumbs off the bottom of the barrel does nothing but expose me to more crappy people who don’t appreciate my worth and time. They flake, they cancel, they don’t fucking give a shit about escorts 👎🏾

Well I should clarify : I “suggested” it could be helpfully…versus told. If not monetary, in the form of credits to our ad payments/platinum boosts and such. It’s possible but, they’d have to do extra steps to ensure advertisers are legit. And of course it would involve processing a lot of payments. But that could be resolved in ways also, e.g.: buy 20 credits and contact 10 escorts. One could argue that would “ruin” things, but RentMen/Masseur has had such a shit ton of liars and Timewasters over the past year. It’s at the point, I don’t even show my number anymore unless the client is signed up. Just like the example I showed above. Now I have to start asking for their screenname. If and when I allowed myself to be “user friendly and easy”, it’s just too much output with not enough Input Regardless if RentMen hops on the suggestion or not, I’m going to do what I need to do either way.

I made a post about this similar awhile ago, but I wanted to discuss it again: I feel $150/$200 seems to be a common entry level offer for many. Especially among the erotic massage platforms (and I’m toying with whether I want to continue advertising on those) But specifically: I understand $150 seems to be a common “magic” number. I feel many guys will say yes to a $150 rate, especially on sites like Adam 4 Adam and Hookup apps. Personally, I’m not a fan of that number. But I also understand $300-$400-$500 isn’t always attainable on a regular basis in all markets. For example, last night I had an offer for $150. Normally I would not consider it, but it was just a vanilla massage type of visit and his location was easy to get to, I was in the area, and it wasn’t a whole lot of effort. I wasn’t too bothered, plus my area as I’ve said before: is dead. It’s been dead. The only client I’ve gotten in over 2 weeks, was a returning guy visiting from SoCal. Sometimes I feel: maybe if I do a few $150 sessions, it might put me in a position to take care of some temporary goals. Or it can help fill hours that I’m in a hotel, when the $300/$400 clients aren’t booking. At the same time, I feel $150 could end up being full on escort services…and next thing, someone is tricked into thinking that’s all they should charge. And that’s a slippery slope because, I find 150 guys don’t even come around as often as I’d expect. I’ve done stuff for 150, as an entry level offer and then they still don’t become regulars. I’m just curious, where did $150 as a common rate come from? I’m grateful that I usually get booked for sessions more than that, but the crazy economy has made the slow times far more these past couple years. Some cities, one can be quiet trying to charge $300, but might get a few at $100/$150. That said: someone who’s been on the game as long as I have and tour to other cities: $150 even for vanilla stuff, doesn’t feel sustainable. I’d have to push myself to do a high volume of clients…and that’s a lot. I told myself last year, $250 is really the lowest I feel comfortable asking…$200 is okay, but by the time I either get a hotel, or gas up: I don’t even see $200, I see less than that. That’s why $250 has been my baseline for awhile, and I feel my higher level sessions are worth exactly what all I do and offer during a visit. I’m not just providing a bed and a bottle of lube…its much more than that.

In regards to your reply…I didn’t want to leave it unnoticed: My whole thing is: there’s often an ideology where the provider gets the blame for the actions of shitty acting clients. Advice is okay, when it comes with substance and works. When you say “pay my bills”, it’s not so much that I’m asking to pay bills. But moreso, can that person who’s giving such advice be willing to make it work by contributing anything? If not, don’t tell me what I need or don’t need to do. For example: people can say: oh move to that city, so you can get more clients (New York/Los Angeles). But how’s someone able to make a move like that? I know 2 people who are living in California (Likely the most expensive state in the union) now, but they were able to do it because they had someone: whether family or a person already established to move in with. That stepping stone is a necessity in some cases. Or others can say: be nice and more understanding to clients, don’t take deposits/charge cancel/consultation fees. Okay…. So what happens when that person spends their money on a RentMen ad, pays for a hotel, etc: and then nobody shows up when expected? That’s money lost, is that person who’s saying “don’t do this, don’t do that” going to be willing to front $250 in hotel/ads/gas PLUS the rate they lost, because someone told them not to take deposits? Is that someone also going to pay the escort their fee, if they for example: plan time with a client who flakes on them, as I shown below (and I didn’t fall for his shit because he never paid a deposit, so I never scheduled him). The green means he likely blocked me. Which is no surprise considering he’s a liar: It’s stuff like this why I ask for consultations. They waste time bullshitting, which costs me time and energy, and then they don’t show up or keep their word. That’s exactly why I have to ask for them. And I’ve told RentMen: start making these people pay us $5 - $10 - $20 to get in contact. We shouldn’t have to rely on someone following thru, to get paid. See above. Everything about a consultation is explained there…

Thankyou very much. I appreciate your story. However, the life of a sex worker advertising online, is still going to be more complex and individualized than most other industries. I don’t want to be compared to a lawyer, and it would be a long shot to try and piece together tidbits of how escorts and lawyers are “relatable”. A consultation is a consultation: and I’m really not interested in weighing it against other industries or businesses. ESPECIALLY when: we’re still fighting for and clinging on to: social acceptance. Legality. decriminalization. Fair pay. All the other things other industries have pressed and worked hard for. I’ve more than once have suggested RentMen advertisers to go on strike…and I will continue to suggest that, though in ways that may be different than what most people view as a strike. A “strike” could be anything from removing a phone number, to refusing to do anything under $XXX dollars and turning down clients who won’t. That said: when it comes to advice, honestly I’m tired of advice. Tired and fatigued. Everybody has advice, but you know what they don’t have? Money to give. People are eager to give advice, but slow to actually offer up some real money to repair someone’s circumstances. I already know what the missing link is, and what could fix it. Sex work and advertising takes savvy: but it’s not rocket science. I started off in the industry, with nothing but a gay.com profile and a lap top web cam picture. I had a car and a little efficiency studio: and it worked. However since then, two things changed: more guys entered the industry and my prices became more firm. I could probably get clients left and right, if I was charging $50 and $100. Because a lot of these guys on hookup apps, which make up the largest number of where no strings/anonymous sex is taking place at: are willing to pay that. I even do it from time to time (spoiler alert). Sometimes, I may be “up” but am not in the position for a freebie hookup: so I’ll offer a meet on “clearance” 🤣 It’s usually a last resort when things are quiet but, there’s been a few times this year that I had to do what I had to do to get by. Sometimes RentMen and Masseur has nobody booking for days on end. But who wants to only charge $50 and $100 ALL the time, and burn out their body while probably still not having enough to survive? Not to mention (as it relates to scheduling), I don’t like the constant being available and in sex mode all the time. Using hookup apps for sex work ventures is essentially that. I prefer to schedule ahead nowadays. When someone is willing to offer to pay some of my bills, or put me in a place to live: then I’ll lend an ear to their advice. But until then, it’s all OPINIONS. And what’s funny is: the people who have actually done that, tend to be the ones offering the least advice. It’s the ones who have the most advice, that are willing to do the least gestures. Reminds me of client earlier this year who got an attitude when I didn’t take his advice (I edited his face with a frog, because that what he is). I never wanted to kick someone’s ass more in my life. The old me, from 15 years ago…would have. Nowadays, I have compassion 🤭 And this is a client who previously booked me. Goes back to that article I posted about “the irony” in another thread (which is now closed) 🤦🏾‍♂️ BTW: after that last message I did end up blocking him also. But I just wanted to leave him unblocked because I know he would come back around…and I’d laugh myself so hard 🤣 it’s funny how iPhone lets you block people, but then doesn’t remind you that you did 🤦🏾‍♂️ they need to have an update that shows “you cannot message this number, it’s in your blocked contacts list”.

But here’s the difference: the person who usually answers those questions: is often a paralegal. You’ll find many law firms do not have direct contact to the lawyer (though some do and I have had to make my calls before…and sometimes they do a free short consultation). Now, setting aside COMPARISONS (the thief of joy) (link), what sets many escorts apart from lawyers is: our dick are visible, are pics are visible, our height/age and top/btm status are usually visible (barring RentMasseur…but that’s simply the “training wheels” of escort seeking 🤣 We also have a map function WHICH I already discussed in another thread (link) So that takes the guess work out of A LOT of things already. Then add reviews, ad writing copy (which some potential clients seem to not want to read, idk why)…the person often has more than enough to go off of. Like I have said before and recently: I been doing this since 2008. I’ve done no deposits. No consultations. Some clients don’t just want a few inches, they want the whole damn hog 🐷 In my case, I can’t always tell the difference between them and serious clients: without actually doing a what? CONSULTATION. Brilliant right? Now, the client is welcome to skip the consultation and get to the deposit. The only “free” consultation I offer is the 2 or 3 texts I send asking: Name/Age: City You’re In: Host or Travel: Availability: Are You Top/Bottom (optional): -then I’ll send a 2nd message: Have you viewed my website www.XXX… for price and details? Thats all the chat I feel is necessary. I may occasionally discuss things like what payment method to do for the consultation/depost, what time, what’s better between host or travel, or if I’m not in the area yet: I’ll let them know ahead that I’m pre-advertising in the area prior to coming. But that I’m taking consultations and deposits now. Anything else regarding planning a time, explicit talk, etc etc: that’s all consultations. And the biggest thing is: some people don’t realize the average client text back and forth can take anywhere from an hour to 4 hours. I’ve literally counted the time of their first text, to the time they say, “maybe next time”. That can take an entire afternoon. Between the breaks in texting, it can add up. Multiply that by multiple texts, that can add up to DAYS worth of texting. And I’ve seen myself only get 1 client out of all that work, not getting paid zip by the others. Of course: it’s not for everybody. I’m not trying to tell people what they should or shouldn’t do. I’m just talking about ME. And I hope that others can appreciate that I can make my own decisions about what I feel works for me, even if it doesn’t work or not required for THEM. And like I said earlier and will say again: Not every inquiry is “just asking questions”. Even if the client says he is ass dead serious: There’s an escort who may be at the movies, visiting his dying grandmother, laser focused on his gym workout, or driving 500 miles to the next city. All that means taking time out to respond to someone, who might not even end up booking. It would be different if RentMen was paying us just to post, but they aren’t. We’re paying them, and clients are coming to US. Not the other way around. We reserve the right to run things however we wish, long as it’s not scamming or taking advantage or catfishing anybody.

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That is a good idea, and I’ve even tried to add that myself in my profile. But I have been showing my map more readily. However, the only caveat to that is: I don’t always host in the same area. Especially when traveling. And Lord knows, it takes the RentMen crew awhile it seems, to update ad writing. Sometimes they update within 30 minutes, other times I’m waiting half a day to get profile updated. And I don’t like to update it too often (well, I try to update my ad words atleast 2-3 times a week). The other thing too: I like to try and headline my ad in multiple cities. Some towns can be too slow to advertise in solely. The thing I dislike the most with RentMen, you don’t show up on the “featured pornstars” in a city, even with gold: unless you move your entire ad to that city. You’ll show in the search, but not the main front page. And the main front page is what seems the first initial attention clients get. So if I’m saying something like, “near XXX intersection”, it may be unfamiliar when I move my ad to the next city. And sometimes I change my headline city throughout the week. Seems the best way to get visibility in other areas. Sometimes I feel it’s a better use of my monthly membership to only post in more than 1 area, especially ahead of traveling to a particular city.

Gurl, you are f-ing delusional. Toxic? Really…what’s toxic is you having assumptive paranoia and assuming I have more than one profile. Why would I name myself Ethan Woods? That’s a whole name. Maybe he has a profile somewhere. I simply changed my handle to the same name I started using for personal hookups. I reserve the right to also not use the same name I’m using in my ads. It’s not like my name changed entirely from every single post. Stop smoking that Cali reefer, and pull your head out of your ass. I am not the one…get out of here 🚪 And don’t lie and say you were quoting Ethan woods. You made a statement about me changing my handle, and directly put a gif about being a sneaky “focker”. Don’t get caught in a lie.

I get your point and sorry if I referred you as White&privileged: again I’m not minimizing your heritage, background or hurdles you faced. However; I have still seen first hand how even those of Latino backgrounds are treated more favorly by wealthy White types. I’ve seen it Texas, where you reside: the White guys will gladly be seen taking a group of their Mexican employees to lunch. But yet, it’s hard enough even to be seen or considered for a “dinner date” as a Black escort and get paid the “weekends and overnight rates” that are discussed on here. I knew a guy years ago, a friend of mine in Miami: he was Brazilian/Portuguese. But he was passable as a White guy, and in Miami: whether you’re Cuban or Colombian, to them White is, anything not BLACK. One day, my friend introduced me to this filthy; and filthy rich White guy in Miami who had a home on star island. Son of a Texas oil tycoon. It was “sugar daddy” who he was getting money from, and didn’t even have to put out for. Can you believe, the first day I met him over Thanksgiving dinner, the rich guy and his White friends had the audacity to throw out a racist Black joke to me? How inappropriate. I don’t even remember what it was, but it was immature and not appropriate. So it goes to show, even if you’re not White, you can still be indirectly benefiting from the privilege of being “close enough”. Or as they say in the transsexual community: passable. You say you understand marginalization, which I’m sure you do. But I’d like to see more understanding from you (and others on the forum) about what someone has to do to LESSEN being marginalized. We can start by not poking fun at someone’s protective booking process. And regarding the quote you made: I have a screenshot showing exactly who Ethan Woods was talking to: He was quoting me in that answer. That’s why I responded how I did. How does any of this relate to what I’m discussing? Because those are issues as it relates to the topic, of what each individual escorts have to deal with. You may have been called this and that AS A YOUNGSTER: But I’m talking about shit that I’m still dealing with NOW. And poking jabs at deposits and what not, it’s just not cool. And if you still wonder why I have to do it: just look at the latest text I got the other day 🤦🏾‍♂️

I don’t see anywhere here, where @Ethan Woods said anything about a deposit or consultation fee. So I took it as if you were directing that towards me. If you can show me where he said that, by all means my apologies. As far as the other stuff; the clients here who have met me in person: are aware I’m a good person. I’m not going to feed into everyone’s advice, because I can read between the lines on some things when it comes across as shady. Someone telling me I’m “shooting myself in the foot”, or similar verbiage just because I have a different way of working and filters: is insulting to say the least. Maybe “harming oneself” wasn’t what you were implying, but when I actually look at the 2nd definition of Kryptonite: I understand you come from a position of privilege: you’re a hot White-looking (but I’m aware you’re Latin heritage so that’s not trying to deny that by any means) guy who happens to be on a forum where other guys mostly only talk about hot White guys. I am alienated by default, why do you think there’s not a whole lot of people of color who post here? You may never understand my point of view, because it’s not you. I’m not mad, but I won’t stop speaking my truth or be gaslighted on my experiences by anyone. I don’t give a F how successful another escort is or how slow it may be for me; I’ve learned from my own experience what I need to do to maintain my time and peace in this industry. And deposits and consultation fees are one of them. They are not Kryptonite in any shape or “form”: And just today, a regular who hasn’t seen me in awhile sent me a deposit: It would be insanity, to go back to the way I used to work. Trusting that all clients are well intentioned, and then being stood up. If you want me to go back to that way of working, please be my first choice of contact whenever I fill my tank or book a hotel, and have a bunch of clients not show up.