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All I can say is I have been to many of their parties in hotel rooms, and never saw any indication of escorting, and I also know a lot of the AAG models who are friends of mine, and I have photographed them.

Don't want to pile on you here, but...

Just anecdotally, I have met in person one AAGuy who was a "flexible" stripper, two others who do cam work very discreetly, and another 2 I'm pretty sure I've seen in porn. None of this necessarily mean they escort, but they're working in very adjacent industries, are paid strictly on how they look constantly, and are for sure propositioned all the time. Eventually, someone will bite, especially for the right price.

Some photographers are also not as professional as you seem to be. There are some really aggressive photographers and some really cash-strapped, smoking hot guys. Sometimes they come together strictly professionally, other times not so much.

I accept what you say @Phlmuscle. But you seem not to realise that there wouldn’t be “any indication of escorting” at parties or on a photo-shoot.

 

Before I started to live together with my guy (more than 6years ago), I was a serial male-modeliser. As an older and generous man, I had no trouble meeting handsome young men and dating them. I even went to parties after fashion shows and socialized with them. Whether the young men were str8, bi or gay was irrelevant to me: I was always friendly and nice, and my approach to a guy was respectful in public. What mattered to them was that I was discreet in public; what mattered to me was what they were happy to do in private.

 

Over the years, I have also been invited occasionally to private sex-parties where barechested fit young men (models, personal trainers, actors) in jeans mingled in public with older men like me. The venues were either private homes or hotels. Generally at such parties, public interaction was limited to guys kissing in greeting or showing some affection. When there was mutual interest, I retreated with a guy to a bedroom where we explored our compatibility in private. Often we made out and I got sucked off before we left the bedroom. I’d arrange to see the nice young man for a dinner-date soon afterwards, and it would progress...

 

At parties with muscleboys and models, I never heard guys discuss escorting or being an escort. That was seen as applying strictly to guys who advertised. There was some chat about what another young man would do or about how generous an older guy was. I always mentioned that I was happy to help or support a nice guy. Mutual benefits were readily understood.

Perfectly said. To many men who can afford to have a roster of escorts or be able to afford easily an arrangement, the ideal is to have a guy who is discreet in public and available in private. Escorting for guys like those at those parties are rarely cut-and-dry: neither party explicitly states the rules of the game, that would be seen as uncomfortable and awkward.

"Mutual benefits were readily understood."

SO TRUE!

I'm a big believer in podcasts. I love them and have noticed that during this quarantine, my music listening plummeted and my podcast listening skyrocketed. I understand people saying that they can't focus on the 'cast unless they sort of have to (like in a car driving), and that's true, but imo most aren't designed for you to be glued to it listening intently. It's sort of white noise to me that also can be informative or funny or emotional or whatever. You may catch something and then have to skip back, and that's when you might tune in and listen more closely.

Usually the stuff they blabber about is of no interest to me. And do we really need that much "sharing" ?

I respectfully disagree. I listen to everything from podcasts about movements in the venture capitalism space to one with a comedian who interviews candidly sex workers and drug dealers about their lives in a refreshingly nonjudgmental way. I also listen to a podcast on the history of the English Language and another by a gay POC and his experiences.

Podcasts are incredibly varied now. I think there is something out there for everyone

I'm a big believer in podcasts. I love them and have noticed that during this quarantine, my music listening plummeted and my podcast listening skyrocketed. I understand people saying that they can't focus on the 'cast unless they sort of have to (like in a car driving), and that's true, but imo most aren't designed for you to be glued to it listening intently. It's sort of white noise to me that also can be informative or funny or emotional or whatever. You may catch something and then have to skip back, and that's when you might tune in and listen more closely.

Usually the stuff they blabber about is of no interest to me. And do we really need that much "sharing" ?

I respectfully disagree. I listen to everything from podcasts about movements in the venture capitalism space to one with a comedian who interviews candidly sex workers and drug dealers about their lives in a refreshingly nonjudgmental way. I also listen to a podcast on the history of the English Language and another by a gay POC and his experiences.

Podcasts are incredibly varied now. I think there is something out there for everyone

I've been there a few times. I'm very sad to see it go, as it was the only male-focused strip club in the DC area that I knew of. The drag shows downstairs were also fun, though that area was a bit too large for one drag queen to really own the space imo.

The last time I went was around 2018, but I remember there always seeming to be a lot more rules there than some other venues in other cities I've been. Maybe it was DC's strict rules, but it was almost like going to a museum at times than a dancer club: No touching, cagey about full nudity, no lap dance room, etc.

There'll always be a supply and demand for this sort of stuff, so I wonder where/how that will change with Z closing. There may be weekly parties, but I/most people wouldn't know about them, how to get invited, who to talk to, etc. I keep hearing about parties, for example, but I don't do this stuff with people, so I don't know how to get on any lists, despite wanting the same things...

Things seem to be moving more underground, more about escorts, more private, and less about strippers and the large established places where people can go. But I guess that's a larger topic

I've been there a few times. I'm very sad to see it go, as it was the only male-focused strip club in the DC area that I knew of. The drag shows downstairs were also fun, though that area was a bit too large for one drag queen to really own the space imo.

The last time I went was around 2018, but I remember there always seeming to be a lot more rules there than some other venues in other cities I've been. Maybe it was DC's strict rules, but it was almost like going to a museum at times than a dancer club: No touching, cagey about full nudity, no lap dance room, etc.

There'll always be a supply and demand for this sort of stuff, so I wonder where/how that will change with Z closing. There may be weekly parties, but I/most people wouldn't know about them, how to get invited, who to talk to, etc. I keep hearing about parties, for example, but I don't do this stuff with people, so I don't know how to get on any lists, despite wanting the same things...

Things seem to be moving more underground, more about escorts, more private, and less about strippers and the large established places where people can go. But I guess that's a larger topic

I know some people are going to wonder how last night went as far as this goes, so I'll give my $0.02 for what it's worth, as I attended:

TL;DR: I'd go again because I liked the style of the event and think it's incredibly innovative, but I wish there were more/different types of guys next time around.

I think the setup and the general style of the event are really quite interesting, others have already highlighted the games/Q&A/etc. that happens, but it isn't until you're there that you realize that it really is quite fun. Through all the dick and ass that you're seeing, it's interesting to hear from the dancers/hosts how they started, what they're doing, etc. It is a LITTLE awkward because this is all done virtually, but that is certainly no fault of Adonis. At the end of the day, these are dancers that you would ordinarily be able to interact with more closely, and that's not happening here. You can't send a private message to a dancer, for example. I get that, as then dancers would be totally occupied with one person and forget the community style that sort of has to happen with this zoom.

Strictly, personally speaking, only one of the guys (Isaac?) I liked, but that's a matter of personal preference. I'm into what I'm into (generally less muscled, more lean guys), and the guys today were more masc, larger, etc. After the general shenanigans, you can then send a message to who you'd like in order to set up more personal time with that/those dancer(s).

I definitely will be attending again. I think this idea is super innovative and they could probably keep doing this even after they (God willing) return to normal business.

I do wish, though, that there was some roster that became available of guys you can set time up with directly after. For example, those that stayed until the end would be sent a link or something of all the dancers that they knew/were available, and you can set time up with them. I understand that would be pretty difficult though, so ***shrug***

I'm excited to see who they'll have available next.

I know some people are going to wonder how last night went as far as this goes, so I'll give my $0.02 for what it's worth, as I attended:

TL;DR: I'd go again because I liked the style of the event and think it's incredibly innovative, but I wish there were more/different types of guys next time around.

I think the setup and the general style of the event are really quite interesting, others have already highlighted the games/Q&A/etc. that happens, but it isn't until you're there that you realize that it really is quite fun. Through all the dick and ass that you're seeing, it's interesting to hear from the dancers/hosts how they started, what they're doing, etc. It is a LITTLE awkward because this is all done virtually, but that is certainly no fault of Adonis. At the end of the day, these are dancers that you would ordinarily be able to interact with more closely, and that's not happening here. You can't send a private message to a dancer, for example. I get that, as then dancers would be totally occupied with one person and forget the community style that sort of has to happen with this zoom.

Strictly, personally speaking, only one of the guys (Isaac?) I liked, but that's a matter of personal preference. I'm into what I'm into (generally less muscled, more lean guys), and the guys today were more masc, larger, etc. After the general shenanigans, you can then send a message to who you'd like in order to set up more personal time with that/those dancer(s).

I definitely will be attending again. I think this idea is super innovative and they could probably keep doing this even after they (God willing) return to normal business.

I do wish, though, that there was some roster that became available of guys you can set time up with directly after. For example, those that stayed until the end would be sent a link or something of all the dancers that they knew/were available, and you can set time up with them. I understand that would be pretty difficult though, so ***shrug***

I'm excited to see who they'll have available next.

Shamelessly bumping this thread, as I've just rediscovered the AAG site again.

I get the feeling that most of those guys do webcam mostly. You can actually book the models, but I think it's more legit than a front. I still think AAG must know that a few of the guys are "flexible," as at least two of the models there I've seen stripping or have seen other pics for massages, etc.

AAG also has a cam offshoot site of some of the guys. It's very outdated though, and in need of an upgrade from a user experience standpoint.

I very vaguely remember that there were others in the same vein as FP, but I don't think any were of the size of FP.

They were way too expensive to be sustainable though. I remember thinking that even in the early 2010s.

"Travis" is now "Parker" on ChaosMen:

https://www.chaosmen.com/showgal.php?g=content/CM/video/2009/579-parker_solo/1050/7_1&s=31

I have some videos from Fratmen on one of my hard drives. Those guys were the hottest. I also felt that GayHoopla had very hot guys when they first started but not so much now.

GayHoopla was good imo in the beginning, but I'm personally not a fan now. It seems that they went much more generic and now the guys strike me as any other on other sites.

You can still download the archives on FP, but you can tell it hasn't been maintained and some archives/days won't open, can't be downloaded, etc. Still, I'm happy I'm able to save some of my fave gems.

the next one is May 1.......

 

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these shows may not be for everyone.....there is no sex or contact, but there is nudity and chatter.....I haven't even signed up myself, but know Matt and Tim to be decent guys who run a good operation.....

Thanks for this!

Do you/does anyone know if these guys are the same ones from their clubs, or are these like "star" models in the same way that some higher profile people would show up at their clubs? I guess I'll find out if/when I participate.

Those two must have a huge network of guys if they've appeared on television and can get minor celebs like Marcus Patrick. Impressive.

Can I be added to this list as well? I'd be interested for sure.

As for the question, the closest thing I have had to this was guys on Grindr. Only a very small amount have been more than, say 2 times though.

I just might go to the next one. Hell, why not?

Are these strippers new, or are they the guys from the clubs?

I actually have to applaud Adonis. This is pretty innovative.

they filmed in the Phoenix/Scottsdale area....my mother's home was a few blocks away from that large fratmen/fratpad house where they did a lot of the filming (some blog back then was able to figure out the house - it was on Jackrabbit just W of Scotts Rd for any locals!!)......I don't know all the eventual intrigue between the owners/operators of fratmen/fratpad, but I believe gayhoopla is a "descendant" of the original website (same operator??).......

I think there was some sort of falling out as well. I was on Gayhoopla when it first started (they even had BENNY from the Fratpad days show up, as did theo), and they would be very vague and a little bitter whenever someone would bring up Fratpad in the chat.

Years ago, I remember reading on a forum that Chase was a personal trainer. I've also seen Ridge on Chaturbate, though that was about 5 years ago or so.

I think a lot have found a Sugar Daddy though, but that's just possibly wishful thinking haha

I'm still waiting for a good successor to Fratpad and the Fratmen site where we get to watch the guys just doing normal things naked. It felt we had a closer connection and could watch the men be men of you know what I mean. I found it hotter than watching guys just wank or fuck.

I do too, though I fear this sort of content is gone for this new era of Onlyfans and chaturbate.

A LOT of time on the Fratpad was down time: the guys cooking, working out, cleaning, etc. I don't think viewers these days would pay what you had to pay for Pad, and still get Pad-level content.

I would welcome it though. I also found it odd. It's very niche, so I bet a ton of those guys lead totally "normal" lives and no one has any idea.

Whoops! Guess some images didn't go through...

Spencer:

Ridge:

http://www.smutjunkies.com/updates/wp-content/uploads/models/132/132357.jpg

Payton:

Mick:

This website seemed to be in its heyday from around 2010 - 2013:

http://fratpad.com/

The premise was sort of similar to a "Big Brother" reality show where there were cameras everywhere and you could see the guys around the house. Some of those guys were GORGEOUS and while there was very, very little sex (unless you were willing to pay BIGLY), some of the guys were so good looking or affable you sort of looked over that.

Anyone know what happened there? They all lived in this huge house somewhere, and they seemed to go through seasons with guys. I know one of my faves (Spencer) ended up going on a reality show and sort of denounced this part of his past, but that's actually how I found it lol.

Some of my personal faves were -

Spencer:

Ridge:

Keyon:

Payton:

Paris:

Mick:

That's a very...bitter post from Twitter @InterestingGuy.

Sounds to me like this is borne of necessity rather than shock value or interest. His case makes me question the lives of a lot of these ex-reality stars. Many seem to jump from show to show or start circling the drain. I'm always happy when I see a "Where are they now" type of update and they're just "regular:" No six pack, no upcoming shows, no 500K followers. They just have bills to pay and jobs to perform like us all.

Hopefully he doesn't become a cautionary tale like others.

I'm not sure I agree with you, or at least I would think it will depend regionally.

Economic downturns often increase the supply of those in the sex industry, and they will be looking to work where there is demand. There will always be demand for sex (or the implication of it in the case of strippers), so I think there would be one or two places in a city where the demand can meet the supply.

I think the bigger question is how the clubs themselves handle this, as well as the strippers. The whole thing is sort of predicated on really close contact, a large plurality of clients are older due to economic forces, and strip clubs have a lot of sweaty people about. My narrow guess is that post-lockdown, the clubs might be bare for a few weeks, but people will go back. I also think more strippers/strip clubs will have more online presences (similar to Stock Bar in Montreal and OnlyFans accounts).

Most people and politicians know about these clubs and have increasingly just shrugged them off. People will always find ways to get their rocks off anyhow.

Didn't realize he was Venezuelan. That's a friendly surprise, Thanks

I get the feeling that most of those guys do private shows, but only for their preferred clients, so not like a default thing. Especially if they're there every single day, I find it hard to imaging they haven't developed something with someone.

I went the other day, and there was a guy named "Gino" there. I didn't get the chance to dance with him, but anyone has any reviews?

Thanks