Massageislife

I don't think it is necessarily "rude" to ask for a discount either (although I would never do it), but the original post here was about the alleged rudeness of the masseur. The masseur had just as much right to "get his panties in a wad" (I imagine that he might offer a different version of the exchange) as the original poster did to not like the masseur's reaction. The issue here is that this post is out of line on its face. The second attack, in particular, is defamatory because it names the masseur. I hope as a community we're careful the way we speak about masseurs. We're lucky that so many wonderful guys are willing to provide this service, particularly given its marginal legal and reputational status. Warnings about masseurs who make take advantage of us one way or another are welcome here. It's one of the main functions, for most of us, I think, of this site. Let me just say again: BeefyDude DID NOT EVEN GET TO THE POINT OF MAKING AN APPOINTMENT WITH THESE PROVIDERS. They don't deserve to be trashed, particularly by name.

This is not an appropriate response to the post. Johnsport is a private masseur. Although he advertises and charges for "erotic," when I saw him, he did NOT undrape me or disrobe beyond his shirt.

I don't have any problem with your disliking the texting experience you had with this masseur (For what it's worth, I had an extremely positive experience, at every stage of the process, with Billy when he visited NYC). What I dislike is your use of this site to trash a masseur you never even scheduled a session with. If a masseur lacks people skills on the initial texting outreach, we can figure that out ourselves when we make outreach; we don't need your help with that.

Yeah, I'm starting to think that this thread should be renamed "Rude (potential) Client."

Red Flag: keeps changing his name

Seems to be the same guy as this: https://rentmasseur.com/Maxmusmassage

I've been curious for a while. What's with his price? ($135 for 30 min.)

I am flabbergasted by the (alleged) willingness to pay $200/250--in LA!--for a therapeutic massage from a fully clothed, straight-identifying (and, by some accounts on this thread, homphobic) masseur. There is a better, (much) cheaper massage to be found in any number of places. Something is off here

He's had rentmen ads, at least in the past

Could only find one remark on this guy visiting Atlanta: https://www.masseurfinder.com/massage-therapists/26296/ Any experience?

I'm glad you didn't post the masseur's name. Based on what you've written, you should have ended the communication when you found out that you that he was conducting business where you wouldn't be comfortable.

Yes! I remove my brakes with the rest of my clothes

I've been wanting more information on him too: https://rentmasseur.com/LATINARABMASSEUR There are a few threads on him

I've got good, strictly therapeutic massages from both Lennie and George (Steinbeck!), who I think are friends. https://www.masseurfinder.com/massage-therapists/38637/

I saw him once, before the revealing pics were added. He massaged in the nude, though, allowed MT and more, and offered HE without upsell. The massage was just okay. Some of his conversation was personal in a way that was a little offputting

Yeah, it was heartbreaking, because I like him, but a 50% cancellation rate is too much!

No advice to give, but I'm thrilled and envious! I hope you'll report how it goes!

To be a broken record, masseurs who list erotic massage and a price but then try to charge more for erotic massage are engaging in false advertising. Please let us know whoever does this. As for Caleb, I saw him three times in NYC in 2018. He gave a great massage, was nude (I hear he is a nudist), was comfortable with extensive MT, and offered HE. The third time, I massaged him for a bit. One of my best massage experience ever. His rate was high, but there was no upcharge. The pictures are accurate, and he's friendly in a mellow, low-key way. I only stopped seeing him because he cancelled the same day three times. It was just too stressful wondering if I was really going to get a massage.

A lot of us (unfortunately) have a specific attraction to men who claim to be straight. A straight guy sexually aroused when interacting with another man is a paradox, however. For me, it's too simplistic or just inaccurate to use that term to describe his sexual identity that way (which is not to say he is "gay" either). Of course, he has a right to call himself whatever he wants, but perhaps we need to turn to young people, who have been pretty good at coming with many more and more nuanced ways of marking sexual identity. I've been to the Adonis nude party many times over the years. Most dancers at these parties get hard during lap dances, and many engage in more explicit sexual conduct with attendees, sometimes without even going behind the screens. Many have offered to give me their phone numbers for private sessions. I think almost all of them are open to that. In my experience, the majority haven't claimed to be straight or bisexual, but I don't ask. It's actually a turn-off when they feel they have to volunteer that they're "straight," no matter whether they're doing it because they think it might turn me on or because they want to reassure themselves. I guess the bottom line is when I go to a scene like Adonis, I try to accept that the truth of their sexual identity and their private sexual life isn't something I'm entitled to know. I just try to enjoy having a naked, aroused man in my lap.

Public_assistance, I agree with you about Omar. I posted positive things about him. I also don't have an issue with what a masseur charges, but I hope the price he posts is accurate. If the price varies according to the type of massage, he should list the different prices or write "Ask" next to the price, as many masseurs do. I also hope my brothers will share information about masseurs who upcharge, especially for basic, advertised services. As for the rest of what you write, typing the world "massage" in all caps doesn't clarify what you mean by the term. Obviously, a masseur is different from an escort, but erotic m4m massage is different from legit therapeutic massage, and you know it. A large part of the value of this site for me are the discussions about what constitutes an erotic massage and specific experiences my brothers have had with erotic masseurs, and I'll keep coming back for this reason.

"When I quote you, I'm not responding to you." "Words mean nothing." You're a piece of work, dude!

Roger, you're obviously addressing me directly, when you preface your remarks with quotes from things I've written. Nobody else is weighing in here (and I don't blame them!). If you think the words, "sensual" and "erotic," mean nothing in the context not just of Rentmasseur but on this forum, where they are frequently and commonly used, then there isn't much more to say here. Be well

Well, I appreciate your taking the time to write, but it feels like we're talking past each other. Words like "sensual" and "erotic" mean something generally (otherwise language wouldn't function at all), and posters on this site have helped me get clearer sense of what people on both sides of the transaction mean when they use them. I'm not asking for advice on how to talk to masseurs, especially once we've had our initial meeting. I'm also not asking how to get my "fantasy massage." I'm not asking for something rigid, like a "ruIe book" or a "guarantee." And, finally, I know there are no universal experiences of anything in life, especially something complicated like massage. Maybe your phrase, "guide book," is a better way to put it. Before I found this site, my experience was much more mixed. Having a community to discuss (in both public and private messages) their experiences with specific masseurs and the m4m massage experience in general hasn't turned getting an erotic massage into utopia, but the collective guidance here has been really helpful. I wish you the best

Roger, I can only describe the sense I get from the discussions on this forum. I've never seen a poster express outrage or even surprise (maybe disappointment, which is something different) that their sensual or erotic massage didn't include oral sex. They only report happy surprise when it does happen. I've seen lots of advice, on the other hand, that if oral sex, for example, is actually what one is looking for, one should be hiring an escort, at the requisite rate. I haven't seen many (any) complaints when a masseur offered extras, depending on their personal policies or mood and the chemistry with an individual client. That's different than expecting free extras, however, and, for what it's worth, I hope that people tip in proportion to the amount of "extras" they get. That's what I would feel I deserved, if I were a masseur. Likewise, I gather from my reading of postings on this site that there are indeed commonsensical, general (not universal) things members of this community understand that differentiate m4m massage from "legit" therapeutic massage. Those things are the reason that we pay so much more for this type of massage; if we opt for sensual or erotic massage, we are contracting for something more than "some form of massage." Again, I fear that you and I are missing each other in this conversation. I don't believe that you are saying that we can't expect anything more than a massage when we hire a private sensual or erotic masseur; nor are you saying, I'm sure, that kissing, rimming, sucking, and/or fucking are reasonable expectations to place on someone advertising erotic massage for, say, $150/hr. I'm not sure what your disagreement with me is. What do you are think the minimal elements of a massage advertised on an m4m site as "sensual," without which a client has a right to be disappointed and complain, for example, on a forum like this? (I only get erotic or therapeutic massage, since the middle ground of "sensual" is murky to me.) I'm counting on my brothers here to tell me, among other things, when a masseur advertising and charging for a sensual or erotic massage does nothing more than I would have gotten from a much cheaper legit massage. I like discussions on this forum about what we think words like "sensual" or "erotic" in a masseur's advertisement mean. I started a thread recently about "erotic massage" in particular. It seemed from the many posts that there was general agreement that nudity, some degree of mutual touch, and non-avoidance of the ass and penis were reasonable things to expect--without upcharge--when one paid for an erotic massage. (Some people seemed to think HE was also a component of an erotic massage.) Everyone also seemed to agree that anything sexual beyond that was delightful but not part of the initial deal. Every sexual thing possible can happen in an m4m massage context (most of them have happened to me), and undoutedly that's where "looks and chemistry" play a role. I just hope we'll alert each other to masseurs who don't follow through on the basic sensual or erotic elements of massage as advertised just because they're having an off day or the client isn't good-looking/provides the requisite chemistry with them. Genuine professionals--in any profession--don't fail to discharge their basic functions, just because they're not feeling chemistry with a client.