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While I obviously want to give Mike his due, I hope we aren't causing any problems for @kaboom35. I know what it's like to not have a good time with someone the Message Center loves. Gman

You've always been very helpful. Gman

Has he changed positions? He says he's a top. But this thread started as being about bottoms. Gman

On our weekends together Mike would often go to the hotel gym in the mornings before I woke. One of the only escorts I think who worked out even more than Mike was ex escort Alec Andrews of sainted memory. I actually obtained a guest pass at the YMCA for him, and he worked out for probably over an hour. Gman

Years ago I had a not very memorable overnight with an escort who was a Forum darling at the time. He was late getting to me,(and we had theater reservations), we had to throw down dinner to get to the theater on time, the escort ordered fish for dinner (not horrible in and of itself-but as I dislike seafood to begin with -I was worried about what kissing him would be like), and later that evening after we saw Hairspray and repaired to the boudoir, he said he didn't know I was interested in topping him and he wasn't prepared even though in our initial emails setting things up, I had said I was a top. He didn't even offer to 'prepare' himself, and we had all night. I wasn't brave enough to admit all this on the Forum as I feared the responses. So again I'm sorry it didn't work out. But I applaud your courage. Gman

I'm sorry y'all weren't a good match. Gman

In case you couldn't tell, the general consensus of us here on the Message Center (along with his two hundred and something reviews on Rentmen) is "Do Not Pass Go. Collect $200 from your ATM (or whatever Mike's current fee is). And HIRE HIM (assuming he's your type of course). I probably haven't seen him in 3 or 4 years. But just as an example of what a nice guy he is-we were doing a weekend together. I was planning on taking us out to dinner at this place. https://www.schwartzbros.com/locations/daniels-broiler-lake-union/ I was describing the place to him. He said something like -it sounds expensive. We ended up, if I remember at Claim Jumper- a nice place but definitely not as fancy/shmancy as Daniel's Broiler. Over my 14 years of hiring with a preference for weekend and overnights, I can't remember very many escorts that seemed concerned about my bank account. Gman

Don't be too sure. Gman

I've never met him. But another escort that I haven't met recommended him (along with Mister Mister) as guys who bottomed. Gman

They may have liked rimming. But I'm not fond of giving. So they may have left disappointed. Gman

Well not knowing anything about them but their ads, I'd go for Ronnie. He's more muscular and lists 'kissing'. Gman

I did mention attraction being within the bounds of culture. And the same thing happens with many teenage girls here in the US of A and androgynous male teenage pop stars like Justin Bieber. But since we are actually talking about men, and while we might have attractions similar to women, there are obvious differences too. At least stereotypically, men most likely wouldn't need an attraction to someone 'less threatening'. And even women have more attractions than just wanting a safe guy- or is the good girl going after the bad boy whom she can reform just a literary/movie trope? And of course there are guys on here who like more effeminate guys. And when you really think about it. It's not really 'straight-acting'. It's more average acting. The majority of guys act within certain broad limits. And that's what I prefer. I don't like uber-macho guys, and on the other end, I don't like overly effeminate guys either. But I'm not really fond of overly macho women either. Gman

I missed you. ? Gman

I hope you aren't trying to tell me that all the escorts who say they like older bear-ish types are not being totally honest. Gman

I'm good with the waist up too. Gman

But we like what we like. You could even theorize a biological basis-that as gay men our attractions/desires for men are similar to the attractions straight females have for men. I admit to just supposing here. But if our attractions for men are similar to the attractions straight women feel, then how many women-and I'm talking about in broad society/cultural terms, not individual cases- are attracted to effeminate men? Gman

I was just wondering "how long is long?" I'm not arguing. But I moved away about 15 months ago. And I don't remember him. Of course I could have missed him. Gman

If he does, then both he and @MidwestCoastal would be having the "vapors." :p:p:p Gman

I couldn't find a Wikipedia page for 'Rafael Briggs'? ? Gman

Except that he doesn't bottom anymore. ??? Gman

Be careful with the comestibles. A friend from Dallas came to Seattle and tried some. I don't think he is a naif when it comes to Mary Jane. But he said the food zoned him out for hours. And just as point of discussion, not all CBD has a significant amount of THC. The limited amount of CBD available legally in Texas doesn't. Gman

Did anyone (possibly even me) earlier in this thread mention Jose Canseco back in his salad days? Gman

I wonder if he actually shot 10 ropes or was it due to the magic of "film." I've never shot 10 ropes in one ejaculation in my life. Gman

Yes, you are right -but also wrong. There are general characteristics that most people recognize. And while there might be individual outliers-attitudes within a society/community are usually somewhat cohesive (or at least they used to be before the advent of the internet/easy travel/etc). If they weren't, societies would never have been able to agree on standards of beauty. And again-not everyone in a society may agree that a particular person is beautiful. But there will usually be broad agreement. The operative phrase is again society/community specific. A little off the subject but an escort whose ad formerly stated something similar to " like most European men I'm interested in fashion". The ad has since changed. And he seems to be popular if RM reviews can be trusted. But I don't know if I would have hired him as I'm the farthest thing from being metrosexual/into fashion. Gman

Attracting a mate is apparently a gimmick I know nothing about. As for the straight men who sounded like pansies- did they also act like pansies-and were you sure they were straight? There was that documentary on 'The Gay Voice' where they showed the sensitive guy with a 'gay' voice who was straight (surprise). The fact that he was brought up without a strong male role model was introduced as a possible reason for the way he was. And they showed a macho -more rugby looking guy who was gay. But what if these two were outliers? Outliers wouldn't necessarily invalidate the fem/gay and butch/straight stereotypes if it's true for a majority or even a significant number of gays and straights. Gman