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very interesting documentary about being gay in the 1930"s in london. around the 7 minute mark, Gifford was talking about having sex with straight men. he was asked by a "bit of trade" he paid for sex, usually being a working class man or a soldier "why dont you go home with jim, your friend? he is quite elegant." his reply sums it all up here. he said (paraphrasing) "oh dear no. we want real men. we never go home with anyone one of our own. thats like having sex with your sister". Gifford stated it would be absolutely impossible to have sex with another gay man. he wanted "the real thing or nothing".
so it seems quite natural from the start of queer life that gay men were a sisterhood of sorts but only looked at straight men as masculine and attractive enough for having sex with.
now yap all you want on here guys but this instinct seems to be the cornerstone for the gay ideology that so many bitter at this thought process on here call "self loathing". i for one understand Gifford's point perfectly as to the true masculinity of the straight man. hmmmm..... must have been a lot of self loathing like our friend Gifford going around in the 1930's eh?

I think the bigger issue here is that many men don’t want the “gay”, or “homosexual” label. And I understand why. 
People want to have sex without labels, and I completely agree with that.
But since we live in a world where people are defined by gender, race, and sexual orientation, one has to simply “own their shit”.
You can call yourself “non-binary” , and desire to live a gender-less life, but don’t be mad at the world for obviously seeing the body parts and genitals that clearly define your gender and accidentally acknowledging you as such.
Being a homosexual isn’t easy either. It’s filled with world-renowned hate, based on religion, laws, personal biases and other factors that makes being a homosexual very hard; so I understand why someone wouldn’t want to be a homosexual. But trying to “cop” out of it, by simply verbalizing that you are straight, when you love every metaphysical aspect of another man, and are actively participating in homosexual acts, is just flat out contradictory. 
 
And as it should be obvious from my photo, I’m black. Being black is rough. It’s rough in business, in academia, in general aspects of society, in the LGBT world, and sometimes even in this forum. But I’m not going to wake up tomorrow, and tell the world “I’m white”, and expect people to acknowledge and respect by “self-definition”, just because I said so. 
 
That’s simply ridiculous to me. 
 
 
 

Are gay men exploring their love of vagina these days? Get that tongue deep into the clit and get out all the juices mmmmm 😜

Are gay men exploring their love of vagina these days? Get that tongue deep into the clit and get out all the juices mmmmm 😜

As someone who considers myself a straight whisperer or maybe even THE straight whisperer I agree with you.J dissaprove of trying to get strsight guys to bottom or suck dick. Those are the thibgs that will make them wake up the next day feel disgusted with themself and kill you in a rage(if they were actually straight). When dealing with straight men I recommend sticking with the usual paradigms that make sense when seeking the company of a straight man. I lowkey think gay men who wanna top straight guys have a fantasy with sociopathic and sinister influences. So i side eye all the ppl on here with endless talks about straight bottoms bevause most likely theyvare being conned by some gay dude but in the rare event the guy was actually straight they should know they are doing something that could turn out to be damaging and worse if he is a first timer you the client might turn out to be a last timer who may soon be referred to as the late great version of yourself.

As someone who considers myself a straight whisperer or maybe even THE straight whisperer I agree with you.J dissaprove of trying to get strsight guys to bottom or suck dick. Those are the thibgs that will make them wake up the next day feel disgusted with themself and kill you in a rage(if they were actually straight). When dealing with straight men I recommend sticking with the usual paradigms that make sense when seeking the company of a straight man. I lowkey think gay men who wanna top straight guys have a fantasy with sociopathic and sinister influences. So i side eye all the ppl on here with endless talks about straight bottoms bevause most likely theyvare being conned by some gay dude but in the rare event the guy was actually straight they should know they are doing something that could turn out to be damaging and worse if he is a first timer you the client might turn out to be a last timer who may soon be referred to as the late great version of yourself.

Are gay men exploring their love of vagina these days? Get that tongue deep into the clit and get out all the juices mmmmm 😜

Public would these be "straight" muscle bottoms?

Ill admit i cant comprehend that level of addiction. I want to find young gay addicts qnd watch them eat out the twat of a fat sweaty elderly woman to see if that level of desperation works both ways.

I dunno about you guys but anyone withvthst past is a red flag. If he overdosesxyou will be the last person in his hotel or he in yours . I don't need these kinda complications in my life 

I dunno about you guys but anyone withvthst past is a red flag. If he overdosesxyou will be the last person in his hotel or he in yours . I don't need these kinda complications in my life 

Public... hiring a gay man and paying him can easily be said as the same. Why not including hiring everyone in that explanation? Why just bring up straight men? Or is it the "hope" from the hiree that the gay escort may fall hopelessly in love with the hirer? That to me is more deranged than hiring a straight dude.

Ill admit i cant comprehend that level of addiction. I want to find young gay addicts qnd watch them eat out the twat of a fat sweaty elderly woman to see if that level of desperation works both ways.

1. Since when does the gaze of the object of lust matter to the luster? If you are watching a rugby match and know the player only dreams of banging shielas(lets pretend hes an Aussie) are we supposed to say im not a shiela so dont engage in any erotic thoughts? Do gay men who are overweight and of advanced age stop fantasizing and drooling over gay men who wouldn't touch em with a ten foot pole? They drool,they solicit,and they get what they need. Money is the most powerful drug known to man 
 
2. This is where I am in total agreement with you. I dont believe anything anyone says on a site just cause they say so. However I am a different case from everyone else as my skills and resources are not available to most 
 
3. If it is confirmed the guy is straight(that is important) then there can be a rush when gwtting someone to participate in any activity that is novel to them. Seeing the way they respond or the things they say. There are alot of authentic scenarios that present that wont when dealing with gay men i.e. giving relief to the undersexed husband/dad or targeting men with certain careers more likely to be straight and alpha male such as fighters,bouncers,cops,athletes etc etc. 
Some men are only attracted to what they deem authentic masculinity. In the absence of that they feel no attraction whatsoever no matter how conventionally attractive the guy is. Some gay mens definition of hot is a 110 pound twink scantilly clad dancing on top of a table. Some gay mens definition of hot are the men they saw growing up and they never learned how to switch to only be attracted to gay men. If we are going to be honest there is a significant difference between how gay men and straight men present. Compare pride parade attendees on average to say attendees a titty bar or a parade for the reigning mlb,nfl,nba,or nhl champs. Its a different demographic and other than anatomy there are almost no other similarities. 
 
Your opinion is definitely your right and I dont believe you are harming anyone but I do believe you are jusging them slightly and we are all guilty of it from time to time. The sentiment of "I dont get why anyone would ....in reference to sex/attraction can always be used against gay ppl in general by anyone who doesn't share those same feelings. Ex. How could you like dick as a man? I dont get it. Trust me its just as baffling if not more to alot more ppl than why a gay man would like the ultimate representation of masculinity a straight man.
 

1. Since when does the gaze of the object of lust matter to the luster? If you are watching a rugby match and know the player only dreams of banging shielas(lets pretend hes an Aussie) are we supposed to say im not a shiela so dont engage in any erotic thoughts? Do gay men who are overweight and of advanced age stop fantasizing and drooling over gay men who wouldn't touch em with a ten foot pole? They drool,they solicit,and they get what they need. Money is the most powerful drug known to man 
 
2. This is where I am in total agreement with you. I dont believe anything anyone says on a site just cause they say so. However I am a different case from everyone else as my skills and resources are not available to most 
 
3. If it is confirmed the guy is straight(that is important) then there can be a rush when gwtting someone to participate in any activity that is novel to them. Seeing the way they respond or the things they say. There are alot of authentic scenarios that present that wont when dealing with gay men i.e. giving relief to the undersexed husband/dad or targeting men with certain careers more likely to be straight and alpha male such as fighters,bouncers,cops,athletes etc etc. 
Some men are only attracted to what they deem authentic masculinity. In the absence of that they feel no attraction whatsoever no matter how conventionally attractive the guy is. Some gay mens definition of hot is a 110 pound twink scantilly clad dancing on top of a table. Some gay mens definition of hot are the men they saw growing up and they never learned how to switch to only be attracted to gay men. If we are going to be honest there is a significant difference between how gay men and straight men present. Compare pride parade attendees on average to say attendees a titty bar or a parade for the reigning mlb,nfl,nba,or nhl champs. Its a different demographic and other than anatomy there are almost no other similarities. 
 
Your opinion is definitely your right and I dont believe you are harming anyone but I do believe you are jusging them slightly and we are all guilty of it from time to time. The sentiment of "I dont get why anyone would ....in reference to sex/attraction can always be used against gay ppl in general by anyone who doesn't share those same feelings. Ex. How could you like dick as a man? I dont get it. Trust me its just as baffling if not more to alot more ppl than why a gay man would like the ultimate representation of masculinity a straight man.
 

There are alot of biases in everyone's paradigms. For example you just said I don't understand muscle worshippers. Alot of gay men have vanilla interests or interests with more of  a pyschosexual component that they feel with the same intensity as a double fisted anal penetration. I find alot of gay men into straight men do have a psychosexual fixation. The access to the straight mans body to do the most mundane things is more satisfying than doing the most graphic things with another gay man. If you as an onlooker are missing that psychosexual component or dont understand it it can look silly.
 
From a political standpoint gay men tend to like to enforce certain social norms of solidarity that for many don't apply for some in the bedroom. Ppl are gonna like what they are gonna like. As long as they aren't harming anyone let em be.

Its not weird and it may not even be a fetish per se. At the heart of it you probably are attracted to what you deem as archetypical authentic masculinity. If you walk into a sports bar in a rural Midwest town you know what I mean. It is a natural from the pores type of masculinity that requires no effort no thought it just is. Some types of masculinity can be performative and for many that performative clone type masculinity suffices. But some like you want the genuine article. Nothing wrong with that but just know what you are doing and stay safe 

Tbh I always find it weird that most gay men always have anecdotes with straights as bottoms or suckers. I dont buy it ,so far as I believe most straight men will fight to the death to keep a dick out their ass or mouth. There are straight men who might have suffered abuse or a few who might have a strange phallic attachment, you tend to see these men attracted to trannies, but the seemingly high prevalence of clients encountering straight bottoms is insane. Something aint right under the hood but I will leave that to you guys to figure out 

There are alot of biases in everyone's paradigms. For example you just said I don't understand muscle worshippers. Alot of gay men have vanilla interests or interests with more of  a pyschosexual component that they feel with the same intensity as a double fisted anal penetration. I find alot of gay men into straight men do have a psychosexual fixation. The access to the straight mans body to do the most mundane things is more satisfying than doing the most graphic things with another gay man. If you as an onlooker are missing that psychosexual component or dont understand it it can look silly.
 
From a political standpoint gay men tend to like to enforce certain social norms of solidarity that for many don't apply for some in the bedroom. Ppl are gonna like what they are gonna like. As long as they aren't harming anyone let em be.

Its not weird and it may not even be a fetish per se. At the heart of it you probably are attracted to what you deem as archetypical authentic masculinity. If you walk into a sports bar in a rural Midwest town you know what I mean. It is a natural from the pores type of masculinity that requires no effort no thought it just is. Some types of masculinity can be performative and for many that performative clone type masculinity suffices. But some like you want the genuine article. Nothing wrong with that but just know what you are doing and stay safe 

Tbh I always find it weird that most gay men always have anecdotes with straights as bottoms or suckers. I dont buy it ,so far as I believe most straight men will fight to the death to keep a dick out their ass or mouth. There are straight men who might have suffered abuse or a few who might have a strange phallic attachment, you tend to see these men attracted to trannies, but the seemingly high prevalence of clients encountering straight bottoms is insane. Something aint right under the hood but I will leave that to you guys to figure out 

Tbh most true str8 guys get serviced.

Its not weird and it may not even be a fetish per se. At the heart of it you probably are attracted to what you deem as archetypical authentic masculinity. If you walk into a sports bar in a rural Midwest town you know what I mean. It is a natural from the pores type of masculinity that requires no effort no thought it just is. Some types of masculinity can be performative and for many that performative clone type masculinity suffices. But some like you want the genuine article. Nothing wrong with that but just know what you are doing and stay safe 

Tbh I always find it weird that most gay men always have anecdotes with straights as bottoms or suckers. I dont buy it ,so far as I believe most straight men will fight to the death to keep a dick out their ass or mouth. There are straight men who might have suffered abuse or a few who might have a strange phallic attachment, you tend to see these men attracted to trannies, but the seemingly high prevalence of clients encountering straight bottoms is insane. Something aint right under the hood but I will leave that to you guys to figure out 

There are alot of biases in everyone's paradigms. For example you just said I don't understand muscle worshippers. Alot of gay men have vanilla interests or interests with more of  a pyschosexual component that they feel with the same intensity as a double fisted anal penetration. I find alot of gay men into straight men do have a psychosexual fixation. The access to the straight mans body to do the most mundane things is more satisfying than doing the most graphic things with another gay man. If you as an onlooker are missing that psychosexual component or dont understand it it can look silly.
 
From a political standpoint gay men tend to like to enforce certain social norms of solidarity that for many don't apply for some in the bedroom. Ppl are gonna like what they are gonna like. As long as they aren't harming anyone let em be.