Aaron_Bauder

I don't mind charging clients less for sessions that require less work. Everyone is different. I don't mind negotiation. Haggling has such a negative context.

Put in the bag. It's not prohibited item, and your sex life is none of their business.

I stopped listing travel plans for the reasons outlined above: it gets annoying responding again and again to messages from guys who think I'm already at the destination, even though it could be a week to weeks away. No sure whether the glitch is on Rentmen's end or whether clients are just not paying attention to the travel dates, but it's easier to advertise once I'm already there, in terms of not having to say "Thanks, but I'm not in town till..." over and over and over again.

Hmm. So we're told by some clients hire often from it, and by others clients don't use it that much. Any other thoughts? Are any escorts (or masseurs) getting a good amount of business from masseurfinder?

I'm L.A.-based. Going to start spending a couple of nights each week in PS. Looking for area recommendations -- not really specific hotels, just general neighborhoods or areas that would be convenient for a typical PS client who wants me to host. I don't care about or need to stay at a gay-specific resort. Most times when I travel, I try to stay as close as possible to either the local gayborhood or the city center, but I hear PS is really spread out -- so does it matter if I'm not close to downtown or the gay bars? Is staying in Palm Desert, Cathedral City, or Desert Hot Springs a dealbreaker for clients in terms of convenience? Thanks!

Thank you! But, no, that's not at all like confirming white escorts are better than black ones, in fact, I said the exact opposite: even medicore white escorts generally have a better market than the very best black escorts. If someone hears "white privilege and supremacy in American society affords extra benefits to white escorts" as "white escorts are better than black escorts" then I'd guess they're projecting their insecurites, because that's a huge leap in logic. If I say, "whites receieve preferential treatment in the American criminal justice system" that does not equal "whites are better people than nonwhites." Not even close. As to specific citations, no. If I was keen to persuade or convince, yes. But I'm not. People are free to believe whatever they want. I am speaking to what I know from what I observe. You may be an exception, but exceptions and outliers do not change the general rule. In general, white escorts have a more favorable market than black ones.

Are you having a contest with yourself to see how many ridiculous, outdated stereotypes you can cram into one thread lol? Most teenagers these days have a more realistic and nuanced understanding of sexuality and the tired 1950s-era tropes you assign to them. I mean, good grief haha

I don't feel you should offer concessions for telling the truth, based on someone else's negativity or insecurity. You were right, after all. You said directly what I tried to say indirectly. I avoided using the word "race" because it can be triggering for some. Many white guys who have earned success legtimately by working hard do not like hearing that their race has also afforded them extra luck in certain situations. The problem when talking about privilege is that it refers to a state of controlled variables, where all else is equal. And in real life, no two person's situations are ever equal -- too many variables. So there are always exceptions, but in general, yes, nonwhite escorts have a weaker market due to cultural forces outside our control. The existence of a small percentage of clients who prefer nonwhite escorts does not come close to filling that gap. My point earlier was young, fit/muscular, white escorts are generally doing better in this crisis than young, fit/muscular, nonwhite escorts of equal attractiveness and business savvy. Because they have always done better. Echoing your words, the hottest 10/10 black providers I know (handsome face, great body and personality, awesome reviews) have never made as much in terms of market rate, overnights and multihour appointments, travel, gifts as even white escorts I'd consider a 7/10, let alone the very best 10/10 white guys. Sean's name has come up a lot with my clients as a great provider (I got a few of his regulars when he "retired") and like you say, even with his porn star boost he does not command what his white peers do. So before dismissing other escorts' money worries, or blaming them for their woes, consider that not all of us were having the same experience even before the latest setback. It is what it is.

I think that's presumptuous. If you're an escort who, because of your look or demographic, are booking multiple clients a day, overnights regularly, and getting flown to and fro that is a privilege, all else being equal, and maybe you're a little better off in this crisis. Other escorts may only get 3-4 clients a week and have seen even that dry up. Just assuming that every escort is doing well financially, and that if they're not it's because they've personally done something wrong, is lacking in perspective.

[uSER=11284][/user] Mmm, this may be a statement from a position of privilege. A lot of guys are really struggling right now, seemingly overnight, and really wondering if they're going be able to afford their rents in 20 days. That may not be true of certain escorts who have always done well financially for various reasons, or who have a look that is popular anyway and thus have a bigger financial cushion or larger pool of regulars to pull from. If you're a member of of the less popular demographics when it comes to hiring, you may be quite bit more economically vulnerable. Staring homelessness in the face, all of a sudden, is not something to be taken lightly.

Get a different job (already plotting).

This. Tho I wouldn't describe it as strong vs weak, but committed vs noncommitted, as you were getting at with if we want to continue. I think, pretty quickly, providers and clients who are less committed to escorting will get out of it. I fall into that group. I've ocassionally planned for transitioning out of escorting; those plans will now accelerate exponentially. I think the committed guys will get back into footwork, like I did last month as new leads crawled to a halt. Although I did make's last months bills and this month's rent, it's not for me. One, the ease of escorting due to advertising online was a big perk as it turns out, freeing up time to pursue outside interests (like getting an advanced degree). Working hotels, bars, etc required so much extra time I view it as losing money. Based on the time it took, I could make more money working fewer hours in a more traditional job -- without the stigma, the legal exposure, and the safety risks -- with time to spare to build a fitness business on the side. So that's the route I'm taking, as I phase out my regulars. For me it's a door opening. I also got a hint last month a couple of guys I came close to dating, who both suddenly lost interest and friendzoned me, did so because I was escorting. So I'm taking all of it as a sign to move on. There was a point near the end of the Rentboy era when I was making so much money (2-4 clients a day in 30-35 flexible hours a week including advertising, marketing etc) I could absorb the losses. For me now, escorting is not lucrative enough anymore to be worth its costs: psychologically, socially, timewise, or professionally.

Yeah in terms of my own business, things are pretty dire. All of my income right now is from regulars -- not enough to cover bills. But I'm viewing it as an sign to get out of escorting. Not going down with this ship, I'm building a life boat from these deck chairs.

Say, "I need some alone time, and you probably do too."

Accept whatever answer he gives and leave it alone. There's nothing more annoying that someone who won't take yes for an answer. Nobody likes feeling badgered or being made to repeat themselves. If an escort tells you "I like everything" it either means one or two things. One, he likes everything. Two, he doesn't feel like answering the question and is politely setting a boundary. Either way, why make a nice situation awkward, complicated, and negative by second-guessing and pressing the issue? You asked, he answered. Accept the answer and move on. It's why I don't understand the "I hope you enjoy/Do you really enjoy our time together?" queries. I mean, what's he going to say? "No, I hate it, I just want your money." Of course, he's going to say yes whether he does or not, what else would he say? But why ask a question that would force him to lie? He's agreed to spend time with you, accept it.

Just did a spit-take with the pineapple juice I was drinking.

Whiteness is at the top of the totem pole in American beauty standards: doll experiments with kids 3-5 prove American culture conditions us from childhood to find whites more attractive and desirable than nonwhites. This byproduct of American racism is well known from long ago. That means few black escorts will ever reap the financial success of white escorts of equal attractiveness from escorting alone. A 10/10 white escort may be flown worldwide in private jets often and kept in unbelievable New York & Hollywood Hills apartments and the like. Unless he's also a top porn star, a 10/10 black escort won't ever live like that in this country. Unfair, yes. I was shocked when I found out how well your average white escort does compared to nonwhites. But at this point, my reaction is *shrug.* We are working to build a more inclusive, integrated society where nonwhites won't be devalued. In the meantime, black guys have to be twice as good and work twice as hard to get a fraction of the recognition that a thoroughly average white guy gets. With the possible exception of professional sports, it's true across American culture. In gay culture that means black escorts, black fashion models, black go-go dancers, etc are going to have a tougher time. Until the better future we are fighting for is here, no use in me whining about it. We are at a cultural inflection point on this issue. The success of Black Panther has proven false the industry's standard go-to excuse: "There just isn't a MARKET for blacks, so my representation has to be 99.99% white....I can't have more than one black guy on my model agency's roster because of the MARKET...I *have* to relegate black guys to fetished separate but equal ghetto porn beause the MARKET won't accept black guys as a boy next door type" etc. It's never been about the market. There's a market for anything with enough industry support. It's always been about segregation, who gets support and resources, and who is denied support and resources. There will be a better market for black escorts once American society is more integrated and less insane about race. But we are still three or four decades from the day when a truly hot black guy gets as much attention as a certain horsefaced white twink already can around these parts. And don't even get me started on what Asian boys deal with, good grief.

Good nfo thanks. I've always had that "gigantic" problem with on-strip hotels. Such a hike from garage to to room, often tiring for me -- and I'm young!

Good points. I'm going to look for a place that doesn't require elevator security. If anyone knows of any (on or off strip) holla.

Yikes. Looks like off-strip is it.

Yes, my non-anonymous posts attracted scrutiny that made me feel defensive, like a slave at auction, with people who've never met me offering critical commentary way too assured for those who know nothing of me except some pictures and some words. I fully expect some level of being inspected and analyzed before someone decides to drop hundreds of dollars on spending time with me, and I envy escorts who don't mind such scrutiny. But I am a very discreet and private person (that's part of what I offer, and why I have high profile regulars) and I feel the commentary about escorts here is mostly considerate, but still too often goes past due diligence and respectful research into careless assumption and glib commodification of human beings. I am still a person. Most guys get it, but enough here don't that yes, I prefer to be anonymous.

What is more convenient for Vegas clients? On strip or off? Would on-strip deter anybody?

It's true in my experience. Clients who party tend to throw around lots and lots of cash. I can see why lots of escorts join in, getting offered that type of money can be enticing. But I can't do stims period, and would be not be into meth even if I could. So when I get a client offering thousands for me to parTy with him, I still say I can't partake. I've missed out on so much money omg

I've lost dozens of clients by telling them I only to G or 420, not T (but they can).