Pulgasari1991

If one asks low he will take less even from those who could afford giving more

Like you, I never negotiate a service provider's rates. If the stated rate is above what I want to pay for that particular provider, I'll reply with a "thanks for your reply" and either "I'll consider it and get back to you if I decide to book an appointment" or I will end the communication from there on. On occasion there have been one or two who message me back a few minutes later with a reduced rate offer. But, in a service business I don't—and won't—like to not pay a quoted rate from the start. Getting a "deal" for an object like a piece of furniture, car, etc. is one thing because the object is what it is. But service (like a plumber or gardener or someone who cleans your house) providers might have a tendency to alter the quality of service they normally perform because the client is paying less. I prefer to do what I can to avoid that sort of "cloud" over the hour(s) spent on the job. Not much different when rates were posted on RM in the past. If a posted rate was—in my opinion—too high for what was (pics/reviews/preferences/profile/interview) offered, I'd never even bother to make contact and move on to the next. It's about marketing and service and reputation-building. If you're not working enough, it's on you to alter what you control. Life and business isn't fair. Know your worth as you believe it to be BUT know your worth as the market percieves it to be as well. Sometimes the two are not the same...one is in your head and the other puts a roof over your head and food on your table.

It could as well be unconscious from him. But yeah, I think that at a fundamental level he's asking "when money?"

Back to the original topic:
 
As other sites have been eliminated, rates are not being displayed, and others migrating from CL and BP. It seems to stand that along with it, people are expecting rates that may be lower than what am escort chooses to command.
 
I had put my rates up to $250 once I turned 30 last year. I find it works well in many larger markets However, I can agree with another provider I spoke with, that $150 seems to be a no fuss rate in most markets. At the same time, with the expenses I have, I would personally prefer to stay at or above $200.
 
Does anyone feel that by taking their rates down, even if temporarily....would help reach a wider base?
 
Right now, with so many different factors going on, I’m feeling that I need to pull away from $250, and revert back to $200 for markets outside of DC and similar wealthy areas. I know my worth, and I’ve made the $400, 500, 1,200. But at the same time, I rather be fuss free about my rates, rather than having to each time feel I either have to lower or explain why it’s the price I set it to.

This has been an interesting thread where providers like @Benjamin_Nicholas @OliverSaks and @Mocha have shared very honest experiences!
 



Your love/hate (or should I say need/hate) relationship with escorts trying to get the most while paying the smallest amount of money/respect could be enough to write a book about it.
 
Escorts are human too!
 
Take a look at this post:





 
I just love this post from another thread.
 
Bump!

Well...it makes up for the fact that 1 in 2 clients in 2018 never show.
 
And pricey? Please. I think about the ball players out there that people pay thousands of dollars to simply watch dribble, swing at, throw and catch some balls. Many escorts have bodies like professional athletes, including me. Yet we’re licking, sucking and fucking for a measly $300 pittance. So who the FUCK are we to charge only $150-300 for full on sex.
 
Shit...we as escorts should be charging $50,000 an hour. Non of these mother fuckers paying to go to Baseball or football games are getting laid, yet the players are making millions of dollars. So why the FUCK we ain’t getting paid that much?
 
Because we don’t ask for it. When we start asking for $50,000 an hour, we’ll start getting $50,000 an hour.
 
Btw, $50,000 is a metaphor...not a suggestion to start charging that much. Even though I believe...some of us should charge that much.

What's so insane?

No, is not flaky but paying for Uber is a clear sign of interest/seriousness.
 
 

 
I don't know about Miami but in most large cities young men usually don't have a car... if that's what you imply. I'm sure there are plenty of choices for transportation, etc.

Won't low-cost providers move to RM as well?

Considering that your ad has a headline & beginning wording of -
 
""Twink for hire. Available when you want it.
Hung twunk boy available for you 24/7."""
 
I'm not sure how much you have to complain about.....also, the fact that your private gallery pics vastly outnumber the public ones, agree - it really is pretty horrible that interested folks inquire to see them......just imagine how many more there might be if you ever became smart enough to learn how to post a live / working link in your signature to your ad.

You (like a generous number of clients) can read but can not comprehend. I do not “need” my transportation paid for by the client. As a method of filtering who is a fraud and who is not, an Uber is requested if the client is out of the way (i.e. Manhattan to Long Island or Manhattan to Suffolk County...if you are familiar with the city at all). And at the request of the client, i’ll gladly deduct that from my rate (a generous offer) and the flakes refuse...because there was no intention of this arrangement actually occurring. Real clients do not mind. At all. If you want to bring dick to you that is not conveniently located near you, unfortunately you have to pay. Have you ever used Seamless? There’s a delivery minimum, correct?

I will say that having my home base be a smaller Midwestern market (or southern, depending on where you think Oklahoma falls) I've seen all of this since the beginning. It may be that in smaller cities if you're not in more places, you're not viable, but I've essentially run into all of these problems since the start. It's not the overwhelming majority of my interactions, thank goodness, but that portion of the interactions can definitely be frustrating.
 
All that said, with enough bad behavior from clients on the front end, I've - and I bet you have too - learned how to spot a lot of that on the front end, too. Knowing when to stop a conversation; taking a booking, but knowing from the conversation they'll probably no-show / cancel; remembering you need to eat too, and not speedboating through your dinner to make a buck; or many other things that happen.
 
I know, at least for me, that the most frustrating part is that we have no recourse. If a client decides to skip a booking without telling us, or behave in a bad way, it's no skin off their back. Sometimes I see things here, and I'm like "that shouldn't be okay..." and if you ask how to deal with it or say something, many are like "that's part of the business! if you don't like it, find something else to do!"
But if we have a bad day or aren't 110% positive 110% of the time, we're perceived as being negative. Even on this forum, If we say a slightly negative thing, complain about a client, (or a city) etc. it can lead to us being publicly badmouthed at best, or blacklisted at worst.
 
Or at least how to retain your sense of self when something bad happens. I still get frustrated, but that 2-hour no-show just gave me time to shower, actually get a bite of real food to eat, and get off my feet if I've been standing all day.
 
All that said, you're allowed to complain, even though many times it may feel like you can't. I still call my BFF Jeremy Davis in DC and he has to talk me down sometimes.
We'll never figure out completely why some people act the way they do. Just don't let it ruin your composure.

I'm glad another escort has come out and been real about the differing and newer challenges that have surfaced. Interestingly enough, your challenges are a bit different than my challenges (I don't have the option for clients to uber me, or FaceTime me) , but regardless...the answer is yes it has become increasingly difficult. Don't listen to other escorts who claim it's never like that for them. I've personally spoken to popular escorts who've experienced the same things that I've contended with and worse.
 
One thing about America: no matter what you do (unless it's something niche and usually IT related), there's 50 million other people doing the same thing. America has become so ultra competitive, I think it factors in with the business. I personally don't touch markets like New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles because it's too many escorts advertising. Specifically, many Black escorts.
 
I went thru Chicago the other day, and the same client who contacted me in Phoenix and begged me to come over last year, didn't even respond to my second text while he was also visiting Chicago yesterday. He has like 150,000 black dicks to choose from in Chicago, why the FUCK would he wait two hours for me.
 
If I lived in Australia, Germany, I know for a fact I'd be a rich black escort. Not starving artist mode like I am in the USA. I met 2 Australian guys in Colorado years ago, and they loved me. It's not as competive like here in America where every guy who wants Black guys have 100s of thousands of guys to choose from.
 
To some, it seems like when these things happen, you're making too much of a fuss, because at face value...its considered just sex. And sex now can be found on any corner nowadays, so the fact that so many of us are making it at all, is nothing short of a miracle...considering 3/4 of the places to advertise business has been wiped out in the past 5 years.
 
Personally, I will no longer advertise in more than 2 travel cities at a time. I know rentmen allows like 6, but I'm finding when I do that, too many people are tugging at me to come to this and that city. I try to schedule them all, but in reality...I can't always foresee how long I'll need to stay in a particular area. I was doing a Washington DC to Chicago trip over memorial weekend into this week. I almost skipped a city and missed a good client to reach a client in another city, and by the time I got to the other destination, the holiday was over and a couple of the ones who contacted prior to arrival, flaked.
 
I'll tell you what's worked for me: auto templates for text. So when they want to send 1 word texts...I send back a big long text asking: name/age/preference/host or travel/website seen on. Gets them talking everytime. Also, if shit gets too rough and tough, don't be afraid to call the MoFoes out in your ad. Tell them, don't send 1 word texts. Don't call last minute. You will NOT have sex for drugs. Trust me, every few months I have to put out a ADVISORY in my ad re: the latest irritating bad behavior. Things start to improve.
 
There's a verse I like to quote in my mind, whenever I feel things aren't falling in place : "ye have not, because ye ask not." So by all means, ask and you shall receive....whether that be thru texts or directly in your ad itself.

I've noticed a few higher end escorts using rent messure to advertise and get clients - even though we all know they know nothing about being a messure. But, it still allows for them to use Twitter (no longer an option on RentMen) to market themselves. IDK what's next, but gay men have a long history of find ways around ill planned rules and regulations imposed on us. Someone will figure out a solution.

So, what comes next?

Exactly the bottom feeders of the gay social pyramid, thanks for your honesty.

Generally speaking.

Good luck enforcing that. You're paying for time.
 
If very firm on that policy, and paying a reduced fee, or no fee, I'd include consideration of consequences. Is it worth the argument? The aggravation factor? Potential follow up text- or email-bombs, or whatever cyber bullying is possible? If in your location, could he break stuff out of spite on the way out.
 
I negotiate contracts in my career. Im often critical on these forums of guys who allow themselves to be victimized. Ive departed at the start or very early in a session. I forced a faker out of my home last Fall when he started the session with intolerable actions, paying him a portion just to get rid him. Ive even picked up a hotel room phone and asked for security (the guy bolted, so I said "never mind.)
 
But I cant imagine doing more than expressing disappointment to the guy who spends the time, but doesnt get hard.... maybe hoping for some acknowledgement.

Add a place you're interested in to your list of places, select it and then sort by distance.

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You might want to consider being one step ahead and speaking out your stats before being asked. That way you'll never know.

I think we agree on some points but I'm not quite sure due to the way you've expressed them, so allow me to clarify what I view as common ground from the points I can extrapolate from your post.
 
I agree with you to the extent that you're saying that simply asking for stats and/or a pic doesn't necessarily mean that the escort uses that to see if the client meets his personal attraction criteria. I respectfully disagree to the extent that you may be saying that it's unreasonable for a client to view the request as potentially implying that the escort uses that to judge clients in such a fashion. In regular online dating, that is the main, if not only, reason why prospective dates ask for such info, so it's not irrational for a client to think that the escort seeks the info for the same reason, even if that's not the case.
 
Someone had asked earlier for a suggestion on how an escort could acquire the information in a way that acknowledges the client's discomfort and sets their minds at ease. I couldn't think of it at the time, but maybe one way is for the escort to explain at the outset, either in his ad when he lists the policy, or when he first asks the client, that he seeks the info for reasons completely unrelated to the judgment or discretion issues that may cause such clients pause. In addition, for younger more tech savvy clients who're adept with smartphones, perhaps they could send a pic to the escort using the SnapChat app, which deletes pics & messages after the conversations end. If I recall correctly, one of the earliest posters on this thread recounted one horrific way where, in a very curt response to the initial client contact, the escort just bluntly asked for stats, occupation, and maybe a pic too. That sounds like a terrible business practice, and also reflects poorly on the escort's decorum. It's just incredibly tacky and insensitive. This is supposed to be an intimate professional service, is it not?
 
I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with suggesting that a client issue a disclaimer in his initial contact telling escorts that he doesn't provide pics or stats. It just strikes me as impractical for two reasons: 1) since the pics/stats request is still relatively rare amongst escorts, it might come across as bizarre; and 2) as a general matter, businesses or service providers are the ones to inform the clientele of their policies, particularly when it's a deviation from the norm. Moreover, if the policy is meant to apply across the board rather than only in specific instances, I'd think that the ad meant to attract clients would be the most natural place to disclose such a universal policy in an efficient manner, instead of doing so for every single first contact with the client.
 
The idea that a client should prophylactically tell all potential escort hires that he refuses to comply with a policy that may not even exist, and most escorts likely don't even use, just sounds so strange to me. It seems so much simpler to have the escort who demands stats/pics say so in his ad, and that way those clients who are uncomfortable with it for whatever reason, can avoid those escorts or still choose to engage with them and address that issue.
 
To be clear, I've never said I was offended by the stats/pic request (as much as I find it to be weird and out-of-place in the professional escorting field). In fact, I've met with some escorts who've asked for that, and despite my initial misgivings, it wasn't that big of a deal. My point is only that irrespective of whatever judgment some may have as to the sensitivities/concerns of some clients who don't want to disclose that, it seems so obvious to me that a substantial portion of clients would have some issue with such requests. That's why I don't think it's a coincidence that the historical norm, at least among the best, most highly regarded and well-reviewed M4M professional escorts, has been to not ask for such info. Hence, with respect to the minority of escorts who have such a policy, I'm surprised they don't have a better way of broaching the subject in a way to alleviate those clients' reservations, so as to broaden their clientele base.
 
In closing (cuz I've spent way too much time on this thread), I'll say this. There's no absolute right or wrong here, and if younger escorts seem to be establishing a new trend, then so long as the business model works well, then more power to them. I also hope that those clients who fear or dislike such disclosure find a way to overcome it or at least reach a happy compromise on the matter, so that they can enjoy the broadest variety of professional M4M escorts. There are some really great escorts out there, some of whom may have similar policies, including two of my more recent (and really, really good) hires. Had I just excluded those two because the stats/pic and deposit requests struck me as strange and a bit invasive, I would have missed out on some of the greatest intimate experiences of my life. Sometimes risks yield great rewards.
 
Good day, gentlemen.

Clients would, if we're speaking of clients feeling offended by the question itself.
One asking for stats/pics doesn't automatically imply that there are particular criteria to be met; it can well be just genuine curiosity. Willing to give stats/pics, that's fine; unwilling to, it's still fine. But, if one gets irreversibly offended at the question alone, maybe it's better if he prevents that from the beginning.

Clients would, if we're speaking of clients feeling offended by the question itself.
One asking for stats/pics doesn't automatically imply that there are particular criteria to be met; it can well be just genuine curiosity. Willing to give stats/pics, that's fine; unwilling to, it's still fine. But, if one gets irreversibly offended at the question alone, maybe it's better if he prevents that from the beginning.