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Ugh. And here we go again. @big dale, @kenomora, @MisterMike, others and I should just start linking to a factsheet. I really like Big Dale's response in this thread. I don't have much to add editorially but a lot to add science-wise. Just because you've recovered from Covid, don't assume you have long-term immunity. We don't know enough yet. Antibody responses wane over time and the neutralizing antibody response in a person may disappear. Not everybody develops a neutralizing antibody response. We don't know enough yet about T-cell responses because they are harder to assess. That individuals still get recurrent colds caused by related-coronaviruses* probably means that immunity is not perpetual (unlike for example, measles or smallpox). Maybe a large percentage of us carry pre-existing T-cell responses against SARS-CoV-2 from cross-reactivity with other coronaviruses but that may only ameliorate the severity rather than prevent infections. You may be asymptomatic or feel just a little "not-normal" but you're still spewing virus. *Have you ever had one of those colds that felt like you just couldn't shake it? Regular cold symptoms for a week or so and then residual congestion, dizziness, lethargy, and cloudy-headedness that went on for a month or more? You went into work because you had to but just felt like crap and getting through the workday took every ounce of energy out of you? That was probably a coronavirus. The vaccine data are being overly-hyped by the lay press, not to mention some of the medical journals and the orange-potato in the White House. Today's CanSino vaccine data look bad. The AstraZeneca/Oxford are only just a little better. Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna are both unproven modalities, and Moderna may have some associated adverse events that may be serious in an older population (SAEs in the technical parlance). We don't know how long immunity will last. Early data are that people >55 years in age mounted lowered immune responses, as should be expected. Chances are good that the first vaccines are going to be partially protective, rushed through approval for Trump's election campaign, and, I'd bet, elicit some life-threatening SAEs in older and/or co-morbid (immune compromised - HIV, autoimmune disease -, hypertensive etc.) populations. Then there are manufacturing and supply chain issues. So don't expect a magic bullet in January 2021 and unless you're a frontline healthcare worker in a major population center, don't expect anything. Therapeutic/prophylactic antibodies are super-expensive to make and will probably be reserved for acute interventions. And most companies are pursuing a strategy that might ameliorate symptoms but could evolutionarily select for escaper mutants that could be worse (just like the early monovalent anti-HIV drugs selected for resistant viruses - and why PREP as a get-out-of-jail-free card for promiscuous unprotected anal sex still scares me just a little bit). As a species this virus and us are just getting started at ~6 months into the pandemic. It is rapidly evolving and adapting... hello D614G. The US has really blown it. Do your part. If you do decide to take a risk behavior like a massage or more, be prepared for the consequences and then stf away from other people for 2 weeks. Anything else is fucking magical thinking, ignorance or utter selfishness.

I read through this thread and feel like screaming. There is so much misinformation and misunderstanding in some of the postings. Listen to @big dale and @kenomora. I could write a lengthy post (and have in another thread similar to this one) but they have already said what needs to be said in this one. I completely empathize with wanting the release (no pun intended) of a good massage, whatever "good" means for someone. Just know that if you get one, there is no way to drive risk of transmission to zero. So then, what is your acceptable risk for contracting a potentially life-threatening, long-term debilitating disease? At this point and probably not until late 2021, if then, SARS-CoV-2 isn't some disease that can be prevented or cured with a shot or controlled with antivirals, like today's STDs. So, if you are willing to bear a risk and do get a massage, wear the damned mask every time you step foot outside your home (you should be doing this anyway), don't eat or drink around others, inside or outside, and stf away from anyone over 60 for at least two weeks afterward. Period. Argh.

Reading through the old threads, I concur with the comments about Grade C massage, and a bit aloof. At least my experience ~4 years ago.

I did occasionally 20-25 years ago. I would hook up with a guy, sometimes in a 3-way situation. We liked martinis, 420 and poppers. We would go at like rabbits. Happy times. Now it's sans the poppers, and just me and my hand. Then Netflix. Oh, who I am kidding? It's usually straight to Netflix.

I'm reviving this thread to ask a question about poppers training videos. Decades ago I got introduced to poppers by a boyfriend with incredible oral talents. He stuck the bottle under my nose, told me to inhale, lay back and get blown and edged. He loved giving head this way and I loved receiving it. After that I would use them occasionally for almost 15 years. I stopped as they seemed to lose their power and instead give me headaches and caused me to come too quickly and only half-erect. Now I can get turned on by watching a guy get poppered up and stroking. For example (best with the audio turned off): https://www.xvideos.com/video8779029/mike_basement_jack But I don't get the appeal of all poppers training videos that come up. I'm just wondering if anyone cares to share an opinion or experience. If I followed the instructions for all the frequency and holding of the hits, I'd end up with raging headache and a floppy-dick, unsatisfying orgasm. No judgement at all. If anything, some envy for somebody who could do that much poppers and get pleasure out of it.

For sure. I don't know why it's so hard for the US to learn from how the Koreans have tamped down infections. Testing, contact tracing, masks. We're not even making a half-assed attempt to do it. It's like our leaders have thrown up their hands and said "Let's move on. Nothing to see here."

These comments reminded me of the last time that I got massage, in Seoul in January when COVID-19 was just starting to spread and I was foolishly naive about how serious it was. People in Seoul were just starting to wear masks. The ridiculously hot young Korean muscle boy had just finished the massage by giving me an incredible BJ when he started sniffling uncontrollably. My post-orgasm high was immediately dampened by realizing how stupid I may have been. Lordy, I miss those times. And to keep on thread, Takashi may be choosing to stay in Japan for a while. I know a few Japanese citizens who are staying there until the US gets things under control.

I don't remember. It's probably correct because he made no attempt at an upsell. And I would remember if he had tried. And maybe taken him up on it.

So much truth in what others have said here. We are still in the first wave of infections in the US; the geography just changed, and maybe the demographics as more Millennials and Gen Zs get infected. Younger people appear to have a lower hospitalization rate, maybe as low as 4% while for older people >65 years, it may be 20%. Proportionally, people of color appear to be getting hit harder than Caucasians but that may be amplified by socioeconomic and co-morbidity factors. But, all in all, the virus doesn't care who you are, and whether it makes you symptomatic or not - for its success strategy, it's better having people up and about and spreading the infections person-to-person, which makes Millennials and GenZs (our favorite phenotype of masseur) prime vectors for transmission. We are learning a lot about the virus incredibly fast. But with speed comes a lot of preliminary conclusions that turn out to be wrong - a lot of headlines are coming from scientific preprints that have not completed the review process. The popular press takes the preliminary conclusions, amplifies them, and maybe politicizes them. Then when something turns out to be false, there usually isn't the same amplification of the correction. Or, if it fits a political agenda, it's over-amplified to discredit science in general. I think we've still got a potential for a huge wildfire of infections, with too many hotspots. and a high pressure system building (red states, too fast relaxing of lockdowns back to normality, and general non-compliance with whatever the locals rules are), and a high wind warning (resumption of travel, lack of social distancing). Our air tankers aren't ready (no vaccine, no good treatments yet), our firefighters aren't on the ground (no contact tracing), and our backfires and fire lines are weak (non-compliance). (As a Californian, I love my wildfire analogies). A lot of people ignore risks and fewer understand statistics. I have a sinking feeling that late September and October are going to be very ugly. So for now and the foreseeable future until this first wave subsides, I'm jerking off, best I can while my dog is scratching at the bedroom door. If this goes on for many more months, my thirst for human physical contact and my little head may take control, and I may get a massage. But it would be with a masseur that I trust; in SF, I'm lucky to know educated masseurs with some experiences in real health education, including an ICU nurse. And if I do get a massage, it will be much more subdued in the sensual nature than I usually am looking for. And then I will be extra careful about my exposure to others for at least one week, so that my risk-choice is solely on me and not foisted upon unsuspecting others.

Yes, that was my experience. He gave me a solid, professional massage with sufficient sensual elements to get me aroused. And then he said "thank you". I asked about a HE and he said no, he doesn't do that. Then I kind of pleaded that I needed to get off, and could he stand there, let me touch his chest, and self-administer a HE. He agreed. Also I agree - he shouldn't be advertising on rentmen, even with what he writes in his ad. Rentmassuer - OK. Rentmen - it seems implicitly misleading. He's Polish and gay in Lisbon. He complained that all the attractive Portuguese guys were straight. So, if you're young and hot (I'm 20 years past that), maybe you would get a little more interactivity with him. He was a bit taciturn with me; his cat took a real shining to me.

Quest Diagnostics does serological testing (antibody) without a prescription if you're willing to fork out $129. Go online to their site and make a reservation. A lot of the serological tests that are out there have a high false-positive and high false-negative rate (any test with an error rate > 1% is not worth taking). Quest is using two of the better ones. There are some places giving free PCR tests but those are useful for people who think that they might have an active infection. If you think you were infected and have recovered, do the serological test.

Geez. Does he get woozy from loss of blood flow to the brain when that thing is erect?

No experience (I'm taking a COVID-19 break) but here are links... Vanilla: https://www.masseurfinder.com/massage-therapists/39942/ Sensual: https://rentmasseur.com/EricTantric

Here is a link to a thread about him prior to his name change. I haven't met with him yet. But he's on my list for SD. Per the previous thread, my online sleuthing back then led to his real identity, which checks out versus his profile. He has since covered up that online trail. https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/411-on-hotcollegehunk.151395/#post-1774982

I took one for the team. Pros and cons in my session with rukennyxxx. Nice guy. The pictures are him, though he didn't have the 8-pack.

It appears that his ad on mintboys is already gone?

Bumping to see if anybody has any updates on TK_Zilla. He's very pretty.

I agree with everything 7829V wrote with some added color. Massage was very good. Sensual elements were great. Agree not a lot of boundaries, but the session was everything I was looking for. As for 7829V I would repeat, and for what I have experienced in San Diego, Steve is at the top of my list.

For anybody who find themselves in Lisbon and looking for a great therapeutic massage with sensual (not erotic) elements, I can recommend this guy. https://rentmen.eu/Physiotherapistt https://www.hunqz.com/escort/Masseur24/slideshow/Ls74wms He is more handsome and muscular than in the pictures. Like he says in his ad, he is not an escort. No sex. Like with other Eastern European masseurs I've read about on this board, my HE was self-administered, though the sensual elements got me all riled up for it. Add 20 euros per hour for him in his underwear, which includes body-to-body massage, and then another 20 euros per hour for him naked. I opted for just the underwear.

I have no direct experience with Englishlad. But I'm in Europe at the moment and so can read the comments in his rentmen reviews. The 1-star review is from a client upset because Englishlad would not let the client top him bareback and was unenthusiastic in kissing him. Englishlad responded that it was a matter of hygiene, mentioning bad breath, and other things about the client and the outcall environment. In contrast, a 5-star reviewer commented on his exceptional kissing prowess. Based on the other reviewer's comments and Englishlad's very well-written response to the 1-star reviewers comments, I would be inclined to hire him if I were in London. Good looks, hot body and well-spoken.

I second https://rentmen.eu/GIO_massage

Markasianboy's pictures are from the Facebook page of Kino Sento, which appears to be a spa in Thailand. Look at the October 24 picture. The rest of his pictures in the rent masseur ad look as if they were taken at Kino Sento. Most of the boys in their pictures have his look. Maybe he was a masseur there and is in Boston now. (The ever popular Karl Kang in SF was a masseur at a spa in Taiwan.). Or maybe Markasianboy just lifted the photos. I'd ask for a selfie clearly showing a Boston location. https://www.facebook.com/kinosento/

Thanks for the reminder. This used to be my go-to hotel when visiting NYC. It was and is well-located for going north-south or east-west in Manhattan. Always full of tourists. The rooms were tiny and dated. Service at the front desk was lackadaisical at best. But it had a nice gym, with access included in the room cost. If there was >1 guy in the sauna, it felt like cruising time. I think there was a sense of urgency because most guys were hotel guests, escaping to the gym and sauna to squeeze in some play before their business meetings or to get away from spouses or parents. I had couple of hot hook ups thanks to that place, sometimes moving upstairs to a convenient hotel room.

I'd bet that guy knows as much about reiki massage as I do. "Use the Force, Luke!" The Force tells me that with this guy you'd get a bad, rushed massage plus *maybe* a mechanical HE, all for an above-market cost. And probably not the guy in the picture - or at least not that buff - would open the door. But difficult to see. Always in motion is the future. Maybe someone will take the plunge and report back.

I've seen his face pic, the one in the car with sunglasses on, somewhere before. I think there is a thread about him on here somewhere, albeit under a different name, with unfavorable mentions. And some of the pics look like bad photoshopping with distorted musculature (red trunks, black trunks).