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I had a session with them several years ago. I would not recommend. It was more of a rub, and a clumsy one at that. The one with dark hair particularly seemed to be not even trying. The sensual aspects were also ineptly administered.

Reporting on my experience in Seoul for this super-popular () discussion, I opted to go to Octagon. http://www.octagonmsg.com/ The experience was exceeded my expectations. My "fighter" was Iron Man. He looked exactly like his picture on the website. While in the reception area, I saw four of the other masseurs and they looked like their online pictures too, ranging from muscular to very toned/swimmer's build. Some very handsome. The facilities were clean and located in large apartment in a residential building (kind of weird). Iron Man was tall, very muscular (verging on bodybuilder), very clean, and had a sweet smile and boyish face. Naturally smooth. His massage and other skills were good. He engaged and seemed to be enjoying himself as well. In the confirmatory email, they had revealed rates for time and activities. From another customer I learned that the rate does not equal time and that activity together. If the activity happens even in a shorter session time, you pay the higher rate. My session had no surprises. Communications to set-up and confirm the appointment were challenging. I don't think they check email or the chat line on their website regularly. I ended up calling and speaking with the manager who spoke English reasonably well (and infinitely better than my Korean). I picked out my "fighter" from the ones who would be on duty the next day. Late that night, the manager emailed to tell me that the fighter I had chosen was not available because he already had an appointment but my next back-up (Iron Man) and two other guys were available. I emailed to confirm the next morning after they opened but got no response. Mysteriously, the same phone number didn't work the next day to confirm the appointment. I downloaded and set-up the wechat app and finally connected. Then after meeting in the neighbor, the assistant manager on duty told me that Iron Man was only available for a one-hour session rather than the two-hours that I had requested. That turned out to be sufficient for what I was looking for. I recommend installing the wechat app before setting up an appointment with any outfit in Seoul. Overall, Seoul north of the Han River was great. Seoul south of the Han River (Gangnam neighborhood et al.) was boring. Seoul is still relatively inexpensive for a huge city. Getting around was easy. The subway is efficient and clean, and navigable once you figure out the ticket machines. Taxis are plentiful, clean and relatively cheap. The variety of Korean food was much more than what I've had here in the US. The people are friendly and there is a nice frequency of cute and handsome men. (I did not go out to any bars as I spent the evenings enjoying the food, beer and other fermented beverages.) There were seemingly fewer Caucasian tourists than in other big cities in Asia (and few international tourists in general), probably thanks to North Korean/US tensions. Fascinating history of the country.

I second Karl Kang. Also, Chad, confirmed by my go-to therapeutic-only masseur as having training because they were enrolled in the same school at the same time. And I know from hands-on experience that he has great hands and good massage skills plus enthusiastic play and HE. And a nice guy. https://www.masseurfinder.com/members/chadryan.shtml Both have existing threads here.

I wouldn't so much worry about the Tenderloin at 8 AM. It's MUNI that I would be worried about. Depending upon from what station you'll be boarding, be prepared for an intimate experience possibly especially when the little Chinese grandmas push on board. They look sweet....

I'm going in just under two weeks. I have been doing online research but there is not a lot of information from which to make an educated choice. I have even gone to rentmen, craigslist, adam4adam and haven't found much. The travelgayasia.com website has OK information with reviews that do include negatives. Octagon looks interesting. But I may just pass and indulge in the sensuality of good Korean food. Between the caveat emptor of pictures not looking like the masseur and my aversion to cigarette smells coupled with the high incidence of smokers in Asia, I might be disappointed by the experience. I can get my beefy Asian experience here in the US. But if you're going to be blazing a trail into Seoul a week earlier than me, please do post about your experience and recommendations. It would be nice to keep this thread active over time.

This is a great thread. Thanks to all who have commented. My partner and I, while still 10+ years from retirement, are talking about where we might want to retire. We have lived in San Francisco for decades and are financially OK. But SF has changed so much from the tech boom - and unlike from dotcom 1.0 - the changes are probably for good this time, that we don't love SF anymore and would gladly leave now if our careers weren't tied to this place. The Northern California wine country is lovely and there is a very active gay social scene and acceptance... think Healdsburg, Sonoma, Glen Ellen - but property is expensive, increasingly so. Petaluma is nice too. The Sonoma Co. airport is now served by major airlines with connections to SFO and LAX for flights. There is the new train that connects with the ferry to SF (the drive to SF can be horrendous during commute times and on Sunday afternoons). One downside is major medical care - even urgent care - requires a 30-40 minute drive to Santa Rosa. We love to visit Palm Springs but agree with the previous comment that social life seems to be centered in alcoholic haze (not that the Wine Country isn't like that either but there are more options for activities and hobbies). The cost of living anywhere in California can be high. Your dollar just doesn't go as far as in other states. The winter weather in Oregon can be dismal but spring, summer and autumn are lovely, at least for now. For those on here expecting decades of more longevity, climate change should be a real consideration, especially in coastal and arid places. My partner and I don't have an answer yet. For our more active retirement years, we have considered a semi-nomadic lifestyle of living in different places for ~1 year to continually challenge ourselves with new cultures, new people and new languages to keep our minds young. That's not for everybody. We also recognize that when settling down, we want a place with an environment that inspires healthy living, good climate without extremes, an active senior community, walkable, and easy to navigate. Some of the suggestions on here are great food for thought!

Does anyone have experiences and/or recommendations for massage and spas in Seoul, South Korea? I will be there in a couple of months, if geo-political conditions allow. I am looking for a sensual/erotic massage (rather than an escort experience) from a reasonably-trained muscular young-ish Korean guy in a clean facility. I have looked at the websites of several spas listed in the Seoul section on utopia-asia and some of the guys pictured look too good to be true, with obvious photoshopping in some cases. For background, I have had a couple of great experiences at Taiyo spa in Osaka, my first being with a hot, enthusiastic bodybuilder from Busan, South Korea and the second with a very toned Japanese guy. I have had varied experiences in Hong Kong and Bangkok. I've been to Seoul a couple of times on business but never had the time to venture out to a spa. A couple of times I was in Seoul on a business with a pu#*%-hound of a straight man who sang the praises of his experiences with female masseuses in Seoul. I'm wondering if there are male equivalents with the body-type that I am looking for. Or a repeat-type session with the Korean bodybuilder in Osaka.

Technically, I think Karl's apartment is in the Tenderloin, north of Market and a few blocks northeast of the Civic Center. His apartment is meticulously clean and the massage room was quiet with no street noise. I saw Karl early on a Friday afternoon. The street had some "interesting" people walking on it as I was waiting for my Lyft. "Interesting" as in I was propositioned by a young lady at 2:45 PM. For you non-locals, if I were to finish with Karl late-ish at night, I probably would wait inside the foyer behind the locked entrance door to his apartment building until my Lyft or Uber ride was parked at the curb. Crime is on the rise again in San Francisco.

I will 2nd or 3rd what 510guy wrote. It is an accurate summary of my experience with Karl. His spoken English is quite good now. He told me that he can neither read or nor write English yet and uses a translation app for texts. Still, he does mostly very good with texts. Karl looks like he doesn't have a gram of fat on his body. Very toned. And a nice guy. I will go back.

We look forward to your review: https://www.daddysreviews.com/submit

Regarding Sam/Fer, see the comment that I posted in this thread. https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/sam-fer-in-sf.125769/#post-1308514

Sam was a bit of a disappointment for me. He advertises in the "relax" section on masseurfinder so I had certain expectations. His massage skills are very good. He is very handsome, well-groomed and has that gorgeous body. Yes, the pictures are completely accurate. So what's not like? Sam was just a looker for me. While face down, his work was strictly therapeutic. Great! So I flip over onto my back, with certain expectations of next steps. The good therapeutic massage continued without a whole lot of sensuality. Then toward the end he stood at the head end of the table and then stretched over me to massage and leaned in close, so close I could smell (good!) and almost lick that chest (better!). And then he stepped away. That was the sensual part. Over. At that part I was so turned on I asked if him I could finish myself, which I did with him letting me touch his chest. Maybe others have had a more interactive experience. I hope so though I'd be a bit jealous. He looks finger-lickin' good.

Thank you very much, sir. Now I need a few minutes with just my hand and me.

Whipped Guy - thanks for the stimulating picture! Do you know the original source of it? It looks like it could be a Van Darkholme video coming out of the Kink studios.

Do tell.... PM if you would rather.

I have seen John Paul several times over the years. The last time was probably about 2 years ago. I have tried to set up same-day sessions with him a couple of times since but he is always booked up. His massage skills are excellent and he mixes in sensual elements. I have gotten my hands etc. intertwined with him in the past. PM me for details. The thing that has me questioning is that his pictures 1, 6 and 7 look like the body that John Paul had when I last received a massage from him. See also pics 1-4 in his masseurfinder ad in the "heal" section. Pic 4 (#9 in the heal section) is definitely him - the goatee looks good on him. Pics 2 and 3 and to a lesser degree, the remainder (5-8 in the heal section) - well, they make me suspicious. Either he has been working out super hard to great success for a guy probably pushing 50 years of age, or they are old pics or pics of somebody else. Notice that pics 1, 6 and 7 show his face, the others, with the much more muscular body, don't show the face. His rates also seem way low for the SF market. Plus there is a big jump in costs from 90 min to 120 min. He must not like doing that extra 30 minutes. Or that is when the fun really starts. To finish, his massage skills are good. And if you would be OK interacting with someone with the body in pics 1, 6 and 7, then go for it. And please report back if he has undergone a more muscular transformation! Or if he hasn't.

I've seen Brian twice for massages in SF. The first time was positive with him doing some oral on me. The second time I thought that his massage skills were middling - he seemed to be phoning it in. The massage wasn't particularly sensual except that I found him incredibly attractive, having a soft (hard?) spot for muscular Asians. His pictures were accurate. I didn't think him to be feminine at all. At the end he let me touch him but he felt distant. I suspect that Brian's level of interaction is dependent upon how attractive he finds the client. I don't think that I am bad looking but I am old enough to be his father. Younger guys with bodies more like his may have a better user experience. There were no upcharges but I didn't ask for him to take his underwear off nor oral. At the end of the session, he stretched out on the bed and was texting (or on grindr) while I cleaned up and got dressed. He seemed a bit put out that he had to get up to say bye. I somehow felt worse leaving than when I got there. Even with his inherent hotness I will not see him again.

nyctwinkbod, please let us know if you have a session with him. I am going to be in NYC next weekend and planning to get together with somebody for an erotic massage. Like you said, he's got the body type that I like. His "about me" blurb seems to hint that he might be into flexing and muscle worship. His use of "body rub" rather than "massage" is a bit concerning.

I recently saw him for a 90 minute massage that lasted about 75 min plus he let me shower. He gave a solid deep-tissue massage. Bonus points for giving a good massage on a bed. He did a good job on my back and legs. Not the best therapeutic massage that I've had because there was no stretching, myofascial work etc. Like the other commenters, I give it a B+/7 on a scale of 1-10. Andrew was furry and scruffy, which is usually kind of a turn-off for me, and certainly different from his pictures. I prefer smooth or fine chest hair. Killer body, hard pecs and biceps. Cute face. Nice smile. Clean. Some bacne. The sensual aspect was *meh*. It only started after I turned over when he immediately started working to get me aroused. To his credit, he did ask me if I "liked the muscles" (very cute with his Polish accent). When I said yes, he put on a nice muscle flexing session, which he seemed to enjoy doing. I gave myself a HE. He probably would have but I preferred that he be busy posing. I probably wouldn't repeat. Hard to put a finger on any specific reasons.

He is based in Lexington, KY but goes to FL for Thunders. I got the feeling that he may move from Lexington. He is such a sweet guy (to be clear, not when he's in session if that's what you want). I just hope he doesn't get taken advantage of.

I think he would be into that. He seems really open to a lot of things but for touching his private no-no place (or seeing it naked). Unfortunately, I am easily old enough to be Scrappy's dad and haven't been to the gym in a couple of years because of work and well... life. With that caveat, Scrappy and I did kind of wrestle. He put me in a chokehold, which was amazingly hot. Then later he wrapped his legs around my torso and squeezed. PM me if you want more details.

CBA, you are spot on in your first posting. That is John. He played eclectic music that paired perfectly with what he was doing in the session. He also had some garnishes that enhanced our sessions even more. Maninsoma, your description fits that of the John that I am writing about. In our meetings he had shorter hair and later he had a buzz cut. John seemed to himself get pleasure out of finding and stimulating my erogenous areas. I have never felt a more intimate connection with a masseur. Like you, CBA, I always left feeling so in touch with my body and sensuality. Then to go fully Roman hedonistic I would sometimes gorge on a big bowl of late night ramen at the place just down the street from John's apartment. Good times. Boy, I sure do miss him. No one has beaten the standard that he set.

I'm wondering what happened to one of my favorite masseurs from around 8 +/- 2 years ago. His name was John. He advertised on massagem4m. John had an apartment on Geary in the Tenderloin. He had a lean, toned body and skateboarded (he broke his arm and was out of commission for a while.) He only did massages late at night (at least with me.) John had excellent therapeutic technique - he warned me about something weird going on with my shoulder a couple of months before it manifested as a major lock-up. The other extremely memorable thing about John's massages was the spiritual nature of it. It was intimate and sensual. I would schedule for 2 hours and the massages might go for over 3 hours. I think I wrote in an massagem4m review that I might have seen God. Does this ring a bell with anybody? Any chance that you know what happened to him? He was a good guy. He had a German boyfriend. I hope he's living happily in Deutschland.

Adding my $0.02 on the Chad v Pan debate. Really you can't go wrong with either one. Both are good masseurs and, like maninsoma said, both are smokin' hot and both are sweethearts. For my tastes, I would go back to Chad before Pan, even though I'm inclined to bigger muscles. I would give Chad the advantage on massage skills. And Chad is just consistently more fun, visually and interactively, at the end of the session.

Tip of the hat to Humboldt for mentioning Caleb/Scrappy. I arranged to meet him through TheBestFlex. It was a great session of muscle worship and wrestling around. He's not an escort. But for my tastes, our session was exactly what I was looking for. Definitely recommended.