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Labels describe. Labels don't define.
 
"Top" describes whose cock will be going into some "Bottom's" ass.
 
Being a "Top" doesn't define what other things they also do. Rimming, being rimmed, in your case swallowing, etc...
 
Top doesn't even define who is physically on top or who is in control. There are plenty of aggressive bottoms who like to fuck themselves on a guy's thick cock. In that position, the Top is on bottom and more passive, while the Bottom is on top doing most of the work.

Labels describe. Labels don't define.
 
"Top" describes whose cock will be going into some "Bottom's" ass.
 
Being a "Top" doesn't define what other things they also do. Rimming, being rimmed, in your case swallowing, etc...
 
Top doesn't even define who is physically on top or who is in control. There are plenty of aggressive bottoms who like to fuck themselves on a guy's thick cock. In that position, the Top is on bottom and more passive, while the Bottom is on top doing most of the work.

Labels describe. Labels don't define.
 
"Top" describes whose cock will be going into some "Bottom's" ass.
 
Being a "Top" doesn't define what other things they also do. Rimming, being rimmed, in your case swallowing, etc...
 
Top doesn't even define who is physically on top or who is in control. There are plenty of aggressive bottoms who like to fuck themselves on a guy's thick cock. In that position, the Top is on bottom and more passive, while the Bottom is on top doing most of the work.

Labels describe. Labels don't define.
 
"Top" describes whose cock will be going into some "Bottom's" ass.
 
Being a "Top" doesn't define what other things they also do. Rimming, being rimmed, in your case swallowing, etc...
 
Top doesn't even define who is physically on top or who is in control. There are plenty of aggressive bottoms who like to fuck themselves on a guy's thick cock. In that position, the Top is on bottom and more passive, while the Bottom is on top doing most of the work.

Labels describe. Labels don't define.
 
"Top" describes whose cock will be going into some "Bottom's" ass.
 
Being a "Top" doesn't define what other things they also do. Rimming, being rimmed, in your case swallowing, etc...
 
Top doesn't even define who is physically on top or who is in control. There are plenty of aggressive bottoms who like to fuck themselves on a guy's thick cock. In that position, the Top is on bottom and more passive, while the Bottom is on top doing most of the work.

Labels describe. Labels don't define.
 
"Top" describes whose cock will be going into some "Bottom's" ass.
 
Being a "Top" doesn't define what other things they also do. Rimming, being rimmed, in your case swallowing, etc...
 
Top doesn't even define who is physically on top or who is in control. There are plenty of aggressive bottoms who like to fuck themselves on a guy's thick cock. In that position, the Top is on bottom and more passive, while the Bottom is on top doing most of the work.

Labels describe. Labels don't define.
 
"Top" describes whose cock will be going into some "Bottom's" ass.
 
Being a "Top" doesn't define what other things they also do. Rimming, being rimmed, in your case swallowing, etc...
 
Top doesn't even define who is physically on top or who is in control. There are plenty of aggressive bottoms who like to fuck themselves on a guy's thick cock. In that position, the Top is on bottom and more passive, while the Bottom is on top doing most of the work.

Welcome to the boards Lefty.
 
I find the texts immediately afterwards a nice touch. It certainly leaves the communication open, and when I'm considering another session, the ones that were nice always pop to my thoughts first. Their text to me encourages me to use that text to say "I was thinking about our session again..."
 
But each escort runs his business differently. Some think long term and want to build long terms client relations, while others see it as a strictly transactional business.

I’ve always been puzzled by the lack of any post-meeting “thank you” message in about 90% of my meetings, particularly first time meets.
It’s fast and free and seems like common marketing sense. And I don’t entirely buy the “discretion” explanation, especially 5 minutes after I walk out the door.
 
Even more puzzling has been some of the responses to my thanks you’s to first-time meets. If it was a good experience I try to send a couple of thoughts and a genuine thank you - no hidden agenda... just a courtesy.
 
Most guys respond with something brief but nice. I’ve also gotten no response... a response a week later... and a handful of others: “you’re welcome”, “anytime”, “sure thing” and my favorite “no problem”.
 
You can really tell who “gets it” in how they respond.

*chuckle* I've noticed that you do like to deflect and attack people.
 
Here, you are equating "choosing not to hire you" with "withholding sex" from a relationship. But, not hiring is not the same as withholding. Withholding refers to something you were entitled, had a right, or some reasonable claim, to receive. As you weren't entitled to his "dick/ass/money" in the first place.
 
In analogy, by not hiring a barber, am I withholding my hair from every barber? No.
A businessman needs to entice the sale/customer. They aren't entitled to it.
 
If your real life persona is vastly different than this online persona, then you aren't doing yourself any favors in marketing to potential clients.

*chuckle* I've noticed that you do like to deflect and attack people.
 
Here, you are equating "choosing not to hire you" with "withholding sex" from a relationship. But, not hiring is not the same as withholding. Withholding refers to something you were entitled, had a right, or some reasonable claim, to receive. As you weren't entitled to his "dick/ass/money" in the first place.
 
In analogy, by not hiring a barber, am I withholding my hair from every barber? No.
A businessman needs to entice the sale/customer. They aren't entitled to it.
 
If your real life persona is vastly different than this online persona, then you aren't doing yourself any favors in marketing to potential clients.

*chuckle* I've noticed that you do like to deflect and attack people.
 
Here, you are equating "choosing not to hire you" with "withholding sex" from a relationship. But, not hiring is not the same as withholding. Withholding refers to something you were entitled, had a right, or some reasonable claim, to receive. As you weren't entitled to his "dick/ass/money" in the first place.
 
In analogy, by not hiring a barber, am I withholding my hair from every barber? No.
A businessman needs to entice the sale/customer. They aren't entitled to it.
 
If your real life persona is vastly different than this online persona, then you aren't doing yourself any favors in marketing to potential clients.

https://rentmen.eu/Lance_Navarro
 
@Lance_Navarro

I play bridge in my spare time. One of the things it has taught me is that everything has a plus and a minus. Each shortcut, has a drawback. Each advantage leaves a weakness somewhere else. That's true of business and this industry.
 
There are styles of responses and messaging that focuses on your clients needs, while still accomplishing your goals. Your automating the process and trying to find a one-size-fits-all, is costing you opportunities. You're screening out both the good and the bad.
 
Your methods are probably losing you business. Based on what I am hearing, your approach lost three or four different clients on your trip through South Florida, myself included. I ended up engaging someone else's services for an extended evening.
 

 
I would, respectfully, disagree. Clients aren't thinking they are talking to large corporations. Clients, for the most part, understand that they are dealing with individuals. There are plenty of flakes that think you are a walking porn site for them to get off to. But you shouldn't lump the good/potential clients in with the flakes.
 
And none of that means you can't run your business in a professional manner. There are MANY luxury entrepreneurs who are one man/woman shops.

If I may interject here...
 
Discussion about religious and political views put barriers in the way of an intimate and rewarding interaction.
 

 
You are certainly entitled to your views, religion, and opinions.
There is a far difference between having opinions and broadcasting them, either in your ad or here in your public statements.
 
I don't hire escorts because I want to engage in a debate over their views or to find places where we have differences. These become barriers between people, instead of ways of connecting. I picture an escort as someone who should try to find common ground in order to allow the client to open up and feel comfortable.
 
I want to feel special and comfortable enough to be open and vulnerable. I want to let my guard down for a time. I don't see where projecting these political, religious and social views provides that safe space emotionally for me as a client. And, I don't see where these public views really support your business.
 
I would prefer that the time hired is focused on me. Yes, as a client I want to be selfish in that way. If I have to spend my time avoiding topics, refusing to open up because I fear the escorts reaction, or judgment from an escort's firmly projected and fixed opinions, then I can't see the value in that interaction.
 
PS: The nine texts in response to an initial greeting/request, all basically saying "I want money up front" was just another barrier. It was extremely off-putting.

If I may interject here...
 
Discussion about religious and political views put barriers in the way of an intimate and rewarding interaction.
 

 
You are certainly entitled to your views, religion, and opinions.
There is a far difference between having opinions and broadcasting them, either in your ad or here in your public statements.
 
I don't hire escorts because I want to engage in a debate over their views or to find places where we have differences. These become barriers between people, instead of ways of connecting. I picture an escort as someone who should try to find common ground in order to allow the client to open up and feel comfortable.
 
I want to feel special and comfortable enough to be open and vulnerable. I want to let my guard down for a time. I don't see where projecting these political, religious and social views provides that safe space emotionally for me as a client. And, I don't see where these public views really support your business.
 
I would prefer that the time hired is focused on me. Yes, as a client I want to be selfish in that way. If I have to spend my time avoiding topics, refusing to open up because I fear the escorts reaction, or judgment from an escort's firmly projected and fixed opinions, then I can't see the value in that interaction.
 
PS: The nine texts in response to an initial greeting/request, all basically saying "I want money up front" was just another barrier. It was extremely off-putting.

As a client, I know when I am furnished what I feel is a true boyfriend experience, where I actually have not only an extraordinary sexual connection, including everything that excites me sexually, from amazing tongue work while French kissing, to having my nipples manipulated in the most sensual ways possible, to hearing his groans of pleasure as I rim him and suck him, to feeling myself nearing that point of no return as he sucks or f**cks me, but also our sharing with each other in mutually enjoyable conversations before moving on to the sexual play, which is followed by intimate cuddling after we climax.
 
There is nothing quite so intimate to me as being in his arms, with my head on his chest and our arms around each other, sharing our thoughts quietly for a bit, sometimes even napping with each other for a short time. I do think that a boyfriend experience is not necessarily the same for every man, though. I always hope to be treated as if I am the most desirable man the escort has ever met, for the time we enjoy together. As I've said many times since I began this hobby, I do fall in love with the best escorts I hire just a bit during the time we spend together, in bed or out, during both the on-the-clock and off-the-clock time we are together.
 
Now since I am only one client, with only my personal definition of the boyfriend experience expressed here, I'd be interested to get back to the "Ask An Escort" topic requested by the OP. I would love to hear from any escorts out there who are willing to explain what the "boyfriend experience" is for them with clients from their own professional perspective.
 
TruHart1

Boy are u bitter.

There was nothing baseless in my assumptions of your comments.
 

Nor did I. I am simply pointed out that your position on STD's is questionable. Using bareback and disease together is your doing and how you started this thread.
 

No.
 
Condoms, although originally intended to deal with unwanted pregnancy, were promoted in the gay community as a direct response to the HIV/AIDS crisis. (I was there when the marketing began in SF and NYC) They were not invented to deal with STD/STI. Gay men, for the most part, look at condoms through the marketing lens of HIV prevention and making sex safe again.
 
Now, the introduction of PrEP and the greater understanding of how HIV works, has adjusted perceptions again. As a result, the risk levels perceived in potential clients is changing.
 
Either your business model adjusts to that change, or you will lose market share to attrition. The market is changing, and you need to adjust. Either differentiate yourself for value-add and specialize, or, lose business to those that will.
 

I am stating the reality of the situation. Whether I bareback or not, is my business. You don't want to engage in it in yours, so clients desiring it are going to say you aren't providing the service they desire.
 
I am judging your response to barebacking and that I freely admit.
 
My judgment: I believe you are being unreasonable and inflexible. Either bareback and take proactive steps to limit exposure as well as reactive steps when exposed... OR... Adjust your expectations on business and find a way to differentiate yourself (specialize) in a narrow market space... OR... Do nothing and complain, although I doubt this is really an effective business strategy.
 

I do understand your point of view, however, I am not required to.
 
If you want to send a message that all escorts should stop engaging in bareback sex, then go ahead... but don't expect that they are going to change because you ask them. And don't expect sympathy for your business conditions just because you are unhappy that clients want bareback sex.
 
If you want to say that clients are being fooled, by the porn industry, into engaging in risky behavior then you're missing the basics of business. The you've got it backwards. It is the reduction in risk assessment, specifically of HIV, that is the current driver behind increased bareback sex and the acceptance of bareback porn.
 

HIV scared people into condoms. Understanding risks, treatment options, and knowledge are resetting opinions back to where they were before. HIV and Condoms are NOT unrelated.
 

Not to be rude... but the options are clear. Either:

Differentiate yourself and make the other services you provide worth more than the value customers place on bareback; or;
Narrow your market space to only condom using clients; or;
Lower your price to increase your market space to offset the lost market; or;
Provide bareback services (with all of the pros and cons involved); or;
Find a new industry to work in;

You can't change the entire market to your personal preferences. Adjust, adapt, change, or, close up shop.
 
There are too many new entrants into the market to make it possible for you to change market demands. Sorry for the truth.

He is a smoker, if that makes a difference to you. It does to me alas, otherwise I would hire him

Again, perspective. The porn industry isn't pushing a bareback agenda. Consumers are. Consumers have both options, and have for a long time, and are pushing for more such content.
 
Safety/Risk taking is relative. Everyone is choosing for themselves how much risk to take and what types of risk to endure.
 
As for you not wanting to come off as judgmental, that's not true. The post IS about YOUR judgments on barebacking.
 
BTW - If I recall correctly, you're the one who's posted about HIV denial and that it is more of a HipHop propaganda message.

There was nothing baseless in my assumptions of your comments.
 

Nor did I. I am simply pointed out that your position on STD's is questionable. Using bareback and disease together is your doing and how you started this thread.
 

No.
 
Condoms, although originally intended to deal with unwanted pregnancy, were promoted in the gay community as a direct response to the HIV/AIDS crisis. (I was there when the marketing began in SF and NYC) They were not invented to deal with STD/STI. Gay men, for the most part, look at condoms through the marketing lens of HIV prevention and making sex safe again.
 
Now, the introduction of PrEP and the greater understanding of how HIV works, has adjusted perceptions again. As a result, the risk levels perceived in potential clients is changing.
 
Either your business model adjusts to that change, or you will lose market share to attrition. The market is changing, and you need to adjust. Either differentiate yourself for value-add and specialize, or, lose business to those that will.
 

I am stating the reality of the situation. Whether I bareback or not, is my business. You don't want to engage in it in yours, so clients desiring it are going to say you aren't providing the service they desire.
 
I am judging your response to barebacking and that I freely admit.
 
My judgment: I believe you are being unreasonable and inflexible. Either bareback and take proactive steps to limit exposure as well as reactive steps when exposed... OR... Adjust your expectations on business and find a way to differentiate yourself (specialize) in a narrow market space... OR... Do nothing and complain, although I doubt this is really an effective business strategy.
 

I do understand your point of view, however, I am not required to.
 
If you want to send a message that all escorts should stop engaging in bareback sex, then go ahead... but don't expect that they are going to change because you ask them. And don't expect sympathy for your business conditions just because you are unhappy that clients want bareback sex.
 
If you want to say that clients are being fooled, by the porn industry, into engaging in risky behavior then you're missing the basics of business. The you've got it backwards. It is the reduction in risk assessment, specifically of HIV, that is the current driver behind increased bareback sex and the acceptance of bareback porn.
 

HIV scared people into condoms. Understanding risks, treatment options, and knowledge are resetting opinions back to where they were before. HIV and Condoms are NOT unrelated.
 

Not to be rude... but the options are clear. Either:

Differentiate yourself and make the other services you provide worth more than the value customers place on bareback; or;
Narrow your market space to only condom using clients; or;
Lower your price to increase your market space to offset the lost market; or;
Provide bareback services (with all of the pros and cons involved); or;
Find a new industry to work in;

You can't change the entire market to your personal preferences. Adjust, adapt, change, or, close up shop.
 
There are too many new entrants into the market to make it possible for you to change market demands. Sorry for the truth.

There was nothing baseless in my assumptions of your comments.
 

Nor did I. I am simply pointed out that your position on STD's is questionable. Using bareback and disease together is your doing and how you started this thread.
 

No.
 
Condoms, although originally intended to deal with unwanted pregnancy, were promoted in the gay community as a direct response to the HIV/AIDS crisis. (I was there when the marketing began in SF and NYC) They were not invented to deal with STD/STI. Gay men, for the most part, look at condoms through the marketing lens of HIV prevention and making sex safe again.
 
Now, the introduction of PrEP and the greater understanding of how HIV works, has adjusted perceptions again. As a result, the risk levels perceived in potential clients is changing.
 
Either your business model adjusts to that change, or you will lose market share to attrition. The market is changing, and you need to adjust. Either differentiate yourself for value-add and specialize, or, lose business to those that will.
 

I am stating the reality of the situation. Whether I bareback or not, is my business. You don't want to engage in it in yours, so clients desiring it are going to say you aren't providing the service they desire.
 
I am judging your response to barebacking and that I freely admit.
 
My judgment: I believe you are being unreasonable and inflexible. Either bareback and take proactive steps to limit exposure as well as reactive steps when exposed... OR... Adjust your expectations on business and find a way to differentiate yourself (specialize) in a narrow market space... OR... Do nothing and complain, although I doubt this is really an effective business strategy.
 

I do understand your point of view, however, I am not required to.
 
If you want to send a message that all escorts should stop engaging in bareback sex, then go ahead... but don't expect that they are going to change because you ask them. And don't expect sympathy for your business conditions just because you are unhappy that clients want bareback sex.
 
If you want to say that clients are being fooled, by the porn industry, into engaging in risky behavior then you're missing the basics of business. The you've got it backwards. It is the reduction in risk assessment, specifically of HIV, that is the current driver behind increased bareback sex and the acceptance of bareback porn.
 

HIV scared people into condoms. Understanding risks, treatment options, and knowledge are resetting opinions back to where they were before. HIV and Condoms are NOT unrelated.
 

Not to be rude... but the options are clear. Either:

Differentiate yourself and make the other services you provide worth more than the value customers place on bareback; or;
Narrow your market space to only condom using clients; or;
Lower your price to increase your market space to offset the lost market; or;
Provide bareback services (with all of the pros and cons involved); or;
Find a new industry to work in;

You can't change the entire market to your personal preferences. Adjust, adapt, change, or, close up shop.
 
There are too many new entrants into the market to make it possible for you to change market demands. Sorry for the truth.

There was nothing baseless in my assumptions of your comments.
 

Nor did I. I am simply pointed out that your position on STD's is questionable. Using bareback and disease together is your doing and how you started this thread.
 

No.
 
Condoms, although originally intended to deal with unwanted pregnancy, were promoted in the gay community as a direct response to the HIV/AIDS crisis. (I was there when the marketing began in SF and NYC) They were not invented to deal with STD/STI. Gay men, for the most part, look at condoms through the marketing lens of HIV prevention and making sex safe again.
 
Now, the introduction of PrEP and the greater understanding of how HIV works, has adjusted perceptions again. As a result, the risk levels perceived in potential clients is changing.
 
Either your business model adjusts to that change, or you will lose market share to attrition. The market is changing, and you need to adjust. Either differentiate yourself for value-add and specialize, or, lose business to those that will.
 

I am stating the reality of the situation. Whether I bareback or not, is my business. You don't want to engage in it in yours, so clients desiring it are going to say you aren't providing the service they desire.
 
I am judging your response to barebacking and that I freely admit.
 
My judgment: I believe you are being unreasonable and inflexible. Either bareback and take proactive steps to limit exposure as well as reactive steps when exposed... OR... Adjust your expectations on business and find a way to differentiate yourself (specialize) in a narrow market space... OR... Do nothing and complain, although I doubt this is really an effective business strategy.
 

I do understand your point of view, however, I am not required to.
 
If you want to send a message that all escorts should stop engaging in bareback sex, then go ahead... but don't expect that they are going to change because you ask them. And don't expect sympathy for your business conditions just because you are unhappy that clients want bareback sex.
 
If you want to say that clients are being fooled, by the porn industry, into engaging in risky behavior then you're missing the basics of business. The you've got it backwards. It is the reduction in risk assessment, specifically of HIV, that is the current driver behind increased bareback sex and the acceptance of bareback porn.
 

HIV scared people into condoms. Understanding risks, treatment options, and knowledge are resetting opinions back to where they were before. HIV and Condoms are NOT unrelated.
 

Not to be rude... but the options are clear. Either:

Differentiate yourself and make the other services you provide worth more than the value customers place on bareback; or;
Narrow your market space to only condom using clients; or;
Lower your price to increase your market space to offset the lost market; or;
Provide bareback services (with all of the pros and cons involved); or;
Find a new industry to work in;

You can't change the entire market to your personal preferences. Adjust, adapt, change, or, close up shop.
 
There are too many new entrants into the market to make it possible for you to change market demands. Sorry for the truth.

Again, perspective. The porn industry isn't pushing a bareback agenda. Consumers are. Consumers have both options, and have for a long time, and are pushing for more such content.
 
Safety/Risk taking is relative. Everyone is choosing for themselves how much risk to take and what types of risk to endure.
 
As for you not wanting to come off as judgmental, that's not true. The post IS about YOUR judgments on barebacking.
 
BTW - If I recall correctly, you're the one who's posted about HIV denial and that it is more of a HipHop propaganda message.