KennF

Again, perspective. The porn industry isn't pushing a bareback agenda. Consumers are. Consumers have both options, and have for a long time, and are pushing for more such content.
 
Safety/Risk taking is relative. Everyone is choosing for themselves how much risk to take and what types of risk to endure.
 
As for you not wanting to come off as judgmental, that's not true. The post IS about YOUR judgments on barebacking.
 
BTW - If I recall correctly, you're the one who's posted about HIV denial and that it is more of a HipHop propaganda message.

Again, perspective. The porn industry isn't pushing a bareback agenda. Consumers are. Consumers have both options, and have for a long time, and are pushing for more such content.
 
Safety/Risk taking is relative. Everyone is choosing for themselves how much risk to take and what types of risk to endure.
 
As for you not wanting to come off as judgmental, that's not true. The post IS about YOUR judgments on barebacking.
 
BTW - If I recall correctly, you're the one who's posted about HIV denial and that it is more of a HipHop propaganda message.

Your mixing personalities and over generalizing. Most of all, you are really looking at this from a self-centric point of view, instead of the customer's point of view..
 
Yes, there are people out there that get their jollies by wanking your chain or just imagining what it may be like without actually engaging services. Shit happens and it comes with the industry. But, do you really think that people wake up in the morning thinking "how am I going to mess with Mocha's mind"? Sure that's how it feels from your point of view, but the people you are discussing are coming from life from their own point of view and their own idiosyncrasies.
 
For example:

They are not considering your schedule or timing. They don't care whether you are online or not. That's not their problem. They saw you, thought you were interesting enough to reach out to, and shot you an email.
 

Because as far as they are concerned, that is the limit of what personal information they are willing to expose. That is their preferred method of communication. As such, they expect that is what you will use. They probably aren't Millennials who live attached to their phones, and if they are, they aren't comfortable giving out that phone to you, yet.
 

Because, their window of interest shifted. It may be tough to hear, but you aren't important enough in their life at that moment and you may not be their only iron in the fire. Someone else may have gotten back in touch with them before you. OR, the tone of the response rubbed them wrong. OR, they changed their mind.
 
They feel no obligation to think of things from your point of view. Do people worry about the waiter's timing/schedule when you tell them you want a glass of water and a few more minutes with the menu?
 

A) These are not emotionally equivalent. You don't equal their neighbor. They give their neighbor a totally different type and level of respect.
B) Who ever said they were looking for efficiency? When I contact a provider, I don't care whether my type of communication is the most efficient for THEM. I worry about my needs, my desires, and my comfort. If they don't want to communicate with me in a way that I am comfortable, then c'est la vie.
 
I can go on, if you really want. I suspect that this will be a TLDR message.

As a psysician, I can't tell you how many times I have been on call and received messages from patients who forget to leave their call-back numbers and then who chastise me in the office the next day for not calling back. I tell them I'm not a psychic who can pull their phone number out of thin air and then I play them their message. I include pharmacy numbers as well.
People sometimes become stupid or tongue-tied when they have to leave certain info and they don't leave it.

Or maybe they are just shy, felt horny and sent emails to a few people and caught the first one that responded. You can respond to emails in your phone.

Mocha, allow me to add something from the client perspective:
 
- if you look at many many escort ads, certainly the lion's share of Backpage and Adam4Adam, they say "same day appointments only" or "don't contact me if you are not ready to play" or something to that effect. I have tried from time to time to make some advanced arrangements with those guys, and i get shot down. So us consumers can find it difficult to know which way to go.
 
- If a sudden window opens in my schedule (my plans fall through and suddenly I am free tonight and feeling horny) would you rather that I not contact you, even when your rentmen ad says "available now"? Should I assume that "available now" does not mean that you are available now?
 
- sometimes my plans change in the other direction - I thought I would be free, or I didn't know I would catch a cold or that a blizzard would strike. I have been occasionally treated rudely by guys I have cancelled on (giving as much notice as possible) because of changing circumstances. It's like the advanced plan commits me by contract.
 
- As to why we use email rather than phone: I may be showing my age, but to me email is somehow less intrusive and interrupting than a phone call. If you are, indeed, on line and "available now" it is reasonable to assume that you will read your email. If you are in the middle of a meal or a workout or an appointment, i assume you won't read your email (and therefore are unlikely to be "available now.")
 
None of that excuses people who just stop communicating. But I hope the above offers some perspective you didn't have.

I think I must live in an alternate reality. The restaurants I go to, large and small, have clear signage that say an automatic 18% (usually) gratuity is added to large parties (usually 8 or more).
 
*shrug*

I think I must live in an alternate reality. The restaurants I go to, large and small, have clear signage that say an automatic 18% (usually) gratuity is added to large parties (usually 8 or more).
 
*shrug*

Well, I read you connecting two separate things. Smoking Section and Large Parties. How can you tell how much is associated with Large Parties, and how much is the smoking factor?
 
I don't know that any real studies have been done.

You don't. It's a complete gamble. I like some of the previous replies. A simple smile and eye contact to acknowledge each other (If you've already met before). I'd say it's safer to approach if they are alone. If they have done porn, then you can simply say you're a fan. I'm sure most would find that flattering.

Sensual Massage is focused on the actual touch of the skin. Stimulating the skin and the senses. It may be very soft, or firm. It may excite and even turn you on and it may include a happy ending. But its goal is to stimulate and soothe.
 
Therapeutic Massage is focused on the muscle and tissues underneath the skin. It includes many portions of the sensual massage, but it is focused on moving the muscles, breaking down adhesions, stretch, increase the range of movement and enhancing the body fluid movement. It may turn you on and it may or may not include a happy ending. But its goal is to relax.
 
Erotic Massage is focused on erogenous zones and turning you on. It is meant to stimulate your awareness, instead of your skin. Your skin may be stimulated, but the focus is on increasing your awareness and sexual presence. It may include stroking your cock or edging you. It may include your nipples, nape of your neck, hands, feet, ass, taint, cock, or anything else that may turn you on and heighten your senses. It is usual to expect a happy ending, or use it as a prelude to something more sexual. A happy ending is not unusual. But the goal is to turn you on.
 
It more blunt terms... sensual is rubbing; therapeutic is massaging; and erotic is foreplay.
 
Just my tuppence.

Contradictory? I disagree. Both myself and my screen partner were tested 2x before our scene. Would a client go through that requirement to BB? I doubt it. The requirements for that scene wouldn't exactly be practical in the escorting world so my profile says "Safe Only".
 

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing. Food for thought. Fisting. Would an escort advertise fisting for just anyone to do? In a studio, all precautions are made to make a fisting scene comfortable for the actor receiving. It's a place where there is a guaranteed focus on their particular health and comfort. With a client, that provider would be blindly trusting that the client will do the same. Porn also uses their tricks and cut aways where everything stopped for a bit. Escort/client scenarios are constant "action"
 

 
@KennF hit the nail on the head.

There is a far cry difference between what happens on set and what happens during an escorting appointment.
 
During a shoot, the focus is not on the client. It is on creating a scene. There are opportunities to stop and do a retake.
During a session, the focus is (or should appear to be) on the client only. There is no opportunity to stop and reset the cameras.

There is a far cry difference between what happens on set and what happens during an escorting appointment.
 
During a shoot, the focus is not on the client. It is on creating a scene. There are opportunities to stop and do a retake.
During a session, the focus is (or should appear to be) on the client only. There is no opportunity to stop and reset the cameras.

Absolutely. Plenty where the camera can trick people into to thinking the guy is engaging in something he isn't willing to do. The client may think the actor would be an ideal sex partner. In reality, a client is entitled to more than the screen shows.
 
Back in the 80's, there were guys who would 'stunt dick' in for guys unwilling/unable, as well as doubling for the guys who were Gay4Pay.

Right. Thanks! A client might want more bang for the buck!

There is a far cry difference between what happens on set and what happens during an escorting appointment.
 
During a shoot, the focus is not on the client. It is on creating a scene. There are opportunities to stop and do a retake.
During a session, the focus is (or should appear to be) on the client only. There is no opportunity to stop and reset the cameras.

I recently spent 2 hours with Fabian -> https://rentmen.eu/FabianMarco
 
He looks just like his pics, is a wonderful cuddler and a really sweet, sexy guy.
Review in progress.

You have to consider all the factor s involved.
 
Privacy: As an escort you have some limited anonymity. As a porn actor, you have much less.
Career: What's you choice of career paths? Are you looking to use porn as an advertising tool to enhance your escort fees/market? Are you eventually moving away from both industries?
Money: Can you arrange residuals on the porn or only flat fee?
Buttonholing: Will the scene you do in porn force you into a niche market? If you do a fisting scene, will that be forever what you're thought of? Will clients be adverse to hiring you because they think that's only what you do?
Chemistry: If the scene you do is not good (the chemistry is off), potential clients will think that is how you are on a date. If the scene is smoking hot, the opportunities open up.
 
There can be a lot of money to be made in porn, and a lot of money to be made in escorting. The real trick is figuring out how to balance your career.
 
The most important thing to do is have a long term plan and exit strategy. You will not be able to do porn your entire working life, and you may not be able to escort for that time either.
 
From a personal perspective, I don't mind if an escort has done some porn. I do get turned off if they've done a lot of porn. At some point, I feel like they're portraying sex, instead of a personal connection. I can't tell you at what point that is, but it does exist.

I see lots of them locally. Several at the same gym, at least one at the local grocery store, fairly regularly.
 
And a couple of that I found the other way around. Met them and then saw their ads.
 
Bumping into them outside their ad will often affect whether I am more or less interested.

So, you piqued my curiosity and strictly hypothetical. When you form this contract, what's the value of it? Does it exceed the UCC threshold of $500 or are you in a country that opted out of Article 11 of the CISG?

There is nothing illegal about renting companionship activity. ;)

It's been a long time since my college Business Law class, but I'm pretty sure that it is still impossible to have a "legal" contract for an illegal activity.

We enter into a legal contract. How many escorts have the disclaimer about its just time we are buying.
 
So give us the time.
 
I always check my phone when I leave if I have been shorted I do not go back.
 
One of my regulars always seems to work it so that we a den in the time frame. That's cool too.
 
It's about proper customer service.
 
Repeat business is the secret to every succesful business.

I always spend the full time with my clients, and usually allow at least an extra 10-15 minutes. My sessions only end early if it's the desire of the client. Some guys are ready to dress and go as soon as they've cum. I had a client yesterday with whom we made out, he fucked me, came and was out the door in 15 minutes. He remarked that it was exactly what he needed and had an amazing time. I was gonna offer to give him massage for the rest of the time, but he was happy with exactly how things were.