LivingnLA

My apologies to @RandyC and anyone else who is into "man smell," but I am not. I never have been and don't plan to change any time soon. I grew up with brothers. I played football. I was surrounded by military much of my life and I was in a frat in college. I can understand the allure of clean sweat or even the musky pungency of a guy's crotch or pits after a workout. But, after a few days of drills, games, or workouts, a room full of jocks is stinky or even disgusting if guys are particularly gross. Like the defensive end on one of my teams who wouldn't shower during season because it was bad luck.

I too enjoy the view of a nice "mansprend," but it's not relevant to the sexual harassment and assault women frequently face daily on public transportation in Mexico City and elsewhere around the world.

Given the significant confusion in this thread, I believe the thread subject line is misleading and confusing, not funny. My point about calling it "fake news" is that some people didn't even read the article or watch the video before complaining about an attack on "manspreading." I adjusted my original post to clarify my point.

There were a few guys in my frat who did the same or stripped down to underwear. It was usually a combo of just being used to each other or showing off and just trying to get everything clean all at once.

Please don't spread confusion with misleading thread headers. Read the article. This has nothing to do with "manspreading." It's about raising awareness of the sexual harassment and assault that women experience on public transit in Mexico City every day. The last paragraph even translates the plaque: "To drive the point home, they placed a plaque on the floor in front of the anatomically explicit seat, which read, 'It's uncomfortable to sit here but not as uncomfortable as the sexual violence women suffer every day in their commute.'" Was this an April Fool's post?

Possibly. Did you look at the pics in either of his ad? He's following the old and very true saying "sex sells" and he's clearly using his impressive body and particularly fine ass to entice clients. Given how the text of his ads reads fairly therapeutically driven and the various forum reviews about him with only a handful saying it was "more" than therapeutic, I believe my assessment is accurate, but who cares? This is all idle conjecture. If a client wants to hire Eddie, they should do so and find out what his massage is like.

Rant? I'm sorry, but while I freely admit I was being pedantic and analytical, there was nothing of a rant in there as far as I'm aware. And as I said above, a shirtless pic does indeed sexualize the ad. While you're correct, it doesn't mean sexual services are on offer, given the fraught sexualized history of the term "masseur," the choice to include shirtless pics, creates a subtext that will lead some potential clients down the "happy ending" path and apparently to disappointment if that service isn't actually on offer.

Lol! I know I'm being legalistic and pedantic, but that doesn't change my admiration for Eddie's seriously great ass and body. But, I don't believe he's a trained massage therapist either. Like many on masseurfinder, he's probably a self-taught amateur who's using his obvious good looks and physical presence to sell his services. And there's nothing wrong with that, but given the lengths he seems to go through to confuse the issue, any potential client who is looking for a hand, happiness, or more would likely have to hire Eddie and find out in person if he's into you or not. And, isn't it interesting how he has two different ads with very different subtext? In one ad only a couple are sexually suggestive and he's clothed in all of them. The text is different as well. He's running a risk by calling himself a certified massage therapist if he isn't and he's currently violating California regulations be saying that and not including his CAMTC license number. Either way, he's an interesting body rub provider. Lol Less sexually suggestive ad: https://www.masseurfinder.com/members/eddieoc1986.shtml More sexually suggestive ad: https://www.masseurfinder.com/members/eddieoc.shtml

Yes they do because the whole website is sexualized. Professional massage therapists do not use shirtless pics in their advertising. It's an obvious sexualization of them and their profession that they wish to avoid precisely because of the long history of sex and massage. One of Eddie's pics even exposes his ass crack, an obvious ploy to attract attention to his amazing ass. The term masseur is associated with sex in English because of a long history tied to happy endings and sexualization, so I'm not surprised most ads on that website have shirtless pics. The text of Eddie's ad seems professional, but the rate he charges is higher than normal for someone with his experience and his shirtless pics change the tone of the ad. You're correct that he might not engage in any sexual activity with clients, but his ad suggests otherwise. Given reviews of him on this forum--including yours--I stand by my assessment. He's using sex to sell his services and sometimes engages in sexual activity with clients at his discretion. Lastly, by law in California, all professional massage therapists are required to include their CAMTC License # in any and all advertising. I believe it's even illegal to claim to be a massage therapist without a license, hence the frequent use of masseur, body rubs, and the like. For the fun of it, I searched masseurfinder and only found seven ads that comply. That suggests that many of these masseurs probably aren't even trained and licensed massage professionals. Here's one of the seven: https://www.masseurfinder.com/members/glennoc.shtml

Eddie's pics are clearly sexual and not those of a purely therapeutic massage professional. The rate he charges is in the range of what a therapist with at least 10-15 years of experience would charge. Since he only has 4 years according to his ad, what makes him worth the premium if he's purely therapeutic? I suspect he's written his ad to protect himself if he actually is a licensed MT and give himself cover to engage in erotic activity with clients he's interested in and avoid those clients he isn't interested in physically.

Well said! As I said in another post, it's both and neither depending on who you ask, which school of thought you're discussing, and more.

It's one of those fun disagreements or better yet, semantic discussions. In other words, it's both and neither. http://www.homeoint.org/morrell/buddhism/buddhism.htm

Congrats! I hope the new position is a great move for ya! Since you mention the mafia, I'm guessing in the Dallas area? I hope that works out for you too.

No, Buddhism isn't a religion. It's a life philosophy like Taoism or Zen. Atheism is a religious position. It's entirely possible to be a Christian Buddhist for example.

The obvious photo manipulation was a turnoff so I've not tried him. I searched for some of his porn work and he seems ok, so maybe I'll change my mind. He's going to be in LA for a few months according to his travel schedule.

Aww. You're gonna make me blush. Thanks for the kind words. Romance is good word. For me, if I were to go there, I'd want to experience the kind of comfort, familiarity, and intimacy that only comes with time and care. Again, I suspect that's too far for me as it would potentially introduce complexity I can't adequately adapt to in my situation given my current commitments. For me, there are some doors that probably should not be opened. The old saying about ignorance and bliss comes to mind. I hope you have a wonderful experience!

For me, I feel like if I were to hire for an overnight, I would ask for whatever is involved in a real full "BFE" (Boy Friend Experience). I know it makes me a big sap, but I'd want to spend an evening with a guy like it's a date with a guy who wants me and desires an evening of fun. I'd expect alot of kissing, cuddling, and more "intimate/romantic" activities. I'd want to experience being the little spoon and maybe even that fuzzy kind of awesomeness of an intimate quiet morning waking up with someone so close and special that we actually slept together and are now enjoying our coffee and breakfast before we "armor up" for the "real world." Though, that might be weird for me since that's a part of me only shared with my wife and family so far in my life. It might be too intimate. All of this would be shared with the escort so we could negotiate our time together.

Spooning: It depends on the escort. You'll need to ask him. Fondling: Again, I feel like this depends on the escort. Sleeping in a separate room: Do you snore like a chainsaw? Does he? Might make sleeping challenging. Cleaning: If you get enough fiber and eat healthy, your body will take care of itself. Timing: Every escort is different. For some, an overnight is 4-6hrs. Others are 8-10. You'll have to ask about his expectations. Relaxing: Yes! Maybe a massage will help.

@SurfTrvlr77, for me, it's not different. I would not invite them to my home. Ever. But, my situation is one of significant discretion and it's critical I remain discreet about my interest in sex with men and even more so my hiring of escorts. I don't believe you're being naive, you simply live a very different life and that's perfectly fine. Just do you as the kids say. Also, don't assume a "gold" or "verified" is somehow safer. All "gold" means is they paid a membership fee and "verified" that they sent in a photo ID that appears to be valid and match their name and pic. My first time hiring, was a very highly regarded escort, he was very well reviewed and recommended. That's why I went to his place without hesitation. I was drugged unconscious and possibly raped for my first time bottoming. I say possibly, because I was unconscious so beyond the bleeding, I have no proof or memory of the experience. I later learned he was fairly into drug use and that likely led to my experience, since he also stole my phone and cleaned me out of my cash by guilting me since I'd "ruined his night and forced him to cancel on other clients." I only share my story as a cautionary tale. It's important to be sensible and take precautions. I've had some very good hiring experiences and I believe generally speaking many escorts are awesome professionals who are well worth our time and money.

Many clients have no trouble hiring to their home. Use basic common sense when you're inviting an unknown stranger into your home and it may work for you. It would never work for me. Here are some reasons why and perhaps they will help you as you think through the scenario. 1. I'm not out nor do I have anything to be outed about (I'm happily bisexual) but I do have facets of my life that would be harmed by someone publicizing the hiring of an escort and/or my enjoyment of sex with men. 2. My job is sensitive and some-what public, so the risk of extortion is real and possible. Are you a teacher? A doctor? An executive at a public company? A politician? Someone who is a "well known" citizen may face some negatives by being outed as a person who hires male escorts, even if they live in West Hollywood. 3. I have made certain promises at home about discretion and safety, so escorts will never--to the best of my ability--know enough about me to cause me to break those promises. I love my wife too much to risk her disappointment or cause her pain given her generosity in allowing me the ability to fulfill these needs. 4. One or more of my kids are too young to understand why dad hires escorts sometimes, so again, privacy matters. 5. Lastly, I won't risk inviting a potentially dangerous stranger into my home or even allowing them to know where I live. Plus there's no way to ever make sure the house would be empty without raising questions or suspicions. For me, hiring an escort means also getting a hotel room. Given my first experience, I won't go to a complete stranger's home either. It's too risky. I use a VoIP number for calls and texts and a throw-away email for those communications. There are other steps I take, but that's for another post. Good luck!

My advice: pay attention. Learn your limits. Learn what he likes. Trust me, when you focus on what you're doing and his reactions, you'll notice a hitch in his breath when you lick a certain way. Or maybe he likes very light suction. Or maybe he enjoys alot of lube, a firm hand--but not too firm--on his shaft while you gently suck and lick the head of his cock in a motion that simulates penetration. Every guy is different. Some LOVE a finger rubbing behind their balls while you suck. Some love a finger rubbing over their anus or perhaps playing with their nipples. Some really get off on having their balls licked or gently sucked. Does he get off on holding your head and fucking your mouth? If he enjoys deepthroat and you're able to go there, does he enjoy holding your neck so he can feel as his cock penetrates your throat? Does he want lots of saliva? Oh! I almost forgot, many guys like how gagging feels on their cock, plus it adds a psychological dimension that makes them feel very powerful (control over your life) and turned on that you'd submit yourself so completely. If your guy enjoys gagging, you can learn how to control it a bit so it doesn't actually lead to throwing up, but that's an advanced course. Ask him what he likes and explore. Pay attention to his reactions. His breathing. Does his cock throb when you do a certain thing? The list goes on.

@JackSpar, the gag reflex is a mostly a smooth muscle response to your body's perception it is about to choke and needs to protect itself. As such, it is not under your conscience control. Some people have very sensitive gag reflexes that they never overcome. I don't know if that's you, but you need to know that possibility exists. Read the two articles below. And reread them. They have some good advice. Learning to deepthroat was and is a journey for me. Just like anal sex, anatomical limits exist for oral sex too. You say you have a small mouth. That likely means you have a small throat too, so you must understand your structural limits. You might never be able to deepthroat a thick penis simply because it's not possible for your jaw to open enough to comfortably accommodate deep entry. Please be realistic and accept your physical limits. It's possible to develop very serious jaw issues if you try to force it. Dislocating your TMJ, Trismus, and TMJD are no joke. The best way to begin the process of teaching your body to relax its gag reflex, is for you to be comfortable and in control while you work with someone you trust and are attracted to in a session where you are not rushed, he's very patient, and you're not trying to just shove it in. You must go slowly and work your way up to it. You will gag frequently, but if you go slowly enough, your body will begin to believe it won't choke when a penis is entering your throat. You'll need to learn how to breath through your nose while throating a cock, otherwise your body will gag when it wants oxygen. @WmClarke's advice works for many people. A dildo didn't work for me because it was too impersonal. For me, I needed the incentive of wanting to please the guy I was sucking. Luckily, I had a friend years ago who's girlfriend never sucked because of his size and "it was gross." After many beers one night, he learned guys give much better head usually. Over time, I practiced on his 9" and can deepthroat fairly well now. And now he's happily married to a woman who loves sucking his cock and is as good as me. Or, at least as good as I was a few years ago. But, it all depends on the size, shape, and thickness. Be patient with yourself. Your body did not evolve to have large hard objects thrust repeatedly into your mouth and throat. You have to teach your body that it's ok, safe, and enjoyable. Are you current on all your vaccinations? HPV is a very strong suggestion if you're sucking cocks without condoms because oral and throat cancer rates are climbing rapidly in American men because they think cocksucking is safe. The risks vary, but many STDs and STIs are very easy to catch via oral sex, especially for the bottom. http://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/news/a35376/sex-talk-realness-deep-throating/ https://www.literotica.com/s/deep-throat

The therapeutic form of this is Nuru massage, originally from Japan.

I just stumbled across his ad. Anyone have any thoughts on him?

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