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You can always look at the clock and say, "Oh wow, that was great. Looks like I still have another 30 minutes. How about I jump back on the table and get a little more of a massage?"

I've been burned as recently as a month ago for my policy, but like @Armann, I ask for payment at the end. I think this allows everything to run similar to the kind of encounter a client would experience during a regular hookup, minus the obviously necessary business at the end.
 
I also avoid counting the money until I or the client has left. I once had a client get violent when I confronted him about the missing money. Not worth the scuffle. Even if you win, you're still likely to come out with a black eye or a bloody lip and that's not sexy.

I never charge upfront, i welcome my client, break the ice with some light conversation and then provide the service, i ask him to leave the money on the table as he leaves.

Responding to the question about 'do it all' escorts, my best experiences have been with the below the radar screen, hot guy next door type of escorts. They tend to be overlooked by many clients because they don't have the big muscle, shaved body physiques that are so much favored in NYC. But they work hard at what they do and give you a genuine connection. Here are three examples in NY:
 
The cuddly Italian. He will make you a great Lasagna to go, his grandma's recipe:
 
https://rent.men/italianboyph
 
The studly ginger real estate broker with the perfect ass and a thick shroom cock:
 
https://rent.men/Ginger_MuscleNYC
 
The Colombian immigrant fitness trainer:
 
https://rent.men/Horus_Uncut

The same happened to me with legitimate looking masseuses who reached out to me on Grindr. They appeared decent but ALL redirected me to an “appointment” site which required a small deposit fee via credit card. Each site had a different name but all followed the same format identical to musclemarvels.com. Too many red flags. Unfortunately Grindr has become literally infested with fakes, flakes and scammers. The scammers are getting really good too.

Please!
 
BP and CL were the fastest way to get mugged!
 
full of bottom feeders (cheap clients), dealers, PNP, etc.. It was the lowest yet some clients kept on taking risk searching (hunting) for a diamond in the rough.
 
it gave a bad name to escorts and Johns, thank God CL and BP are gone!

I still don't understand Instagram lol. I mean I'm on it and have followers on it, but it's so generic that I've found myself toying between entertaining friends, potential fuck buds, all while having a client here and there mentioning their existence on it. All the while, trying not to show any nudity lol. Twitter is more raw and uncut, and I seem to attract more hits from it than Instagram.
 
I must add that in person advertising still goes a long way. I can't count how many guys (and women) chat me up in public as if they want something lol. I have sense to know not every interaction has a sexual connotation, but in a gay environment... I've more than once turned it into a client situation. But it's rare. Like once every 2 years.
 
I also carry biz cards that are quite oblivious, in the event the internet comes crashing down on sex work (I trust Kamala, but I don't trust Kamala lol).
 
There's also grindr and scruff sites, but with my lower level of tolerance for nonsense, I haven't posted on those in months. Then there's Adam 4 Adam, which I'm just barely hanging onto to that. At $30 it's the cheapest site in theory, but one has to have a good filter and high tolerance dealing on there.

I always assumed the lack of follow up was for discretion. I’m not sure everyone would want random texts from providers.
 
If I see someone visiting my city and I want a repeat I explicitly tell him to let me know when he’s coming back. That usually works.

Thanks .. .I know that was a long list. Now that i'm unemployed I have extra free time
 
Did you see my other post - works the same way from the masseur perspective. I'm sure they have some helpful feedback for clients

You’ll like DayUse, and no pre-billing your card and you can cancel any time, no penalty. Hilton nearby me even allows me to use Hilton Honors when I check in - albeit points don’t accrue - but WiFi and other benefits all there.
I used Hotel By Day for a while also, but much prefer Day Use!

Couldn’t agree more. I prefer massage cream to avoid an oily mess.
1. Biotone is the best creme in my experience, makes for best experience overall. Some oil may come in handy towards the end of the session though...
2. If you only do outcall, keep the client apprised if you are running late. Offer to take a shower when you arrive, a 5 minute cleanup before you begin the session conveys respect (definitely wash your hands at a minimum)
3. Ask about pressure, trouble spots, music before you begin.
4. Be truthful in advertising. Under promise, over deliver will gain you recurring visits in my book.
5. Learn to read the client. Does the client seem comfortable? Does he enjoy conversing with me or is it a distraction? Is the client shivering because he is cold and I need to turn up the heating?
6. Send a discreet follow up note after the session if you would like the client to become a regular. People want to feel appreciated and if you enjoyed meeting somebody, why not say so.
7. Never, ever forget about an appointment and tell me you ‘overslept’ So my business means so little to you, you couldn’t even take the time to pencil me into your calendar or set an alarm??
8. If you want to win a place in my heart, take a shower after the session and invite me to wash your back! (Okay, now I’m definitely pushing the boundaries!)
9. Be gracious and maintain a sense of humor at all times; unexpected things will happen (client burping). How you react will say more about you than the client.
10. If you used oil/creme on the client’s feet during the session, always wipe the soles of his feet at the end of the session. Dont risk the client slipping and falling on a tile/wood floor.

NO Johnson's Baby Oil!
 
 
http://www.babyland.com.np/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/johnson-baby-oil.jpg

As someone with many years of massage training and experience, here are my thoughts:
 
1. If he's planning to be legitimate, he needs to get the education and the certification/license as required by his state.
 
2. Given everything you've said, I'm guessing he's planning to be an uncertified/unlicensed bodywork provider who uses his looks and other attributes/skills to provide his service.
 
Whatever he chooses, some basic customer service ground rules:
 
A. Be consistently professional and timely in communication. And make it all match with whatever "brand" or "persona" he's creating for his service. In other words, if he's a "straight Italian from the Bronx" then his pictures, website, communication style, and mannerisms should all align with that "persona" to create the kind of customer experience he wants for his clients.
B. Be on time for appointments and also be on time for the duration. In other words, if you say it's a 60min service, don't stop at 50min. If you stop at 50min, then call it a 50min service!
C. Nail your personal hygiene. Be clean. Nobody--except for certain kinksters--likes a dirty smelly provider. And that goes for colognes and body-sprays too, unless again, you're appealing to a specific client demographic.
D. Learn basic "universal precautions" and follow them or you'll catch something from your clients or vice versa.
E. Use quality products. Consider allergies and other sensitivities.
F. Get a decent anatomy/physiology/kinesiology book and read it.
G. Last but not least, trade massage with other well regarded providers. Learn what they do and get honest feedback about what he does. It goes without saying that he shouldn't do "extras" with legit licensed massage therapists unless there's a clear understanding beforehand or he might be reported as a sex worker.

Best to walk away and stop all communications - aka block - you might have with the escort. Remember when you are in that state of mind you interpret all acts of kindness by the escort as “ maybe he really loves me” which is delusional thinking. If you ignore/block him he’ll just move to another client. As someone told me - escorts are salesman. Some are really good at sales and will do or say anything to keep the >money< rolling in. Bottom line it’s a business plain and simple.

I've kicked to the curb several guys (both escorts and regular fuckbuddies) who PNP. In my experience, the signs include:
1) Inability to focus.
2) Habitual tardiness.
3) Very warm body temperature.
4) Can't get hard. (This may explain why many party boys are bottoms.)
5) Insatiable sex drive. ("Can we play all night?")
6) Inability to tell the truth.
7) Reliance on PNP to have sex, under the mistaken view that it's "more hot" that way.
 
I'm sure that there are other signs. This is what I've encountered.

not sure how to word this so it doesn't sound too bad but....
 
There are some ads which im like how the HELL are you charging that much
 
But when guys like us pay it, it enables them I guess

My first time was in NY several years ago when I was in my mid-30s. I booked a traditional massage, and that's all I expected. The guy was eastern European, and I remember going to his place that was a unit is some sort of public housing building. His place was light and bright and clean, with a table in a sort of alcove off the living room. This was before the various websites and I honestly don't remember how I found him. I don't recall his name so I'll call him Stephan. Stephan was fairly short and not skinny, but 100% muscle. After talking briefly he asked that I strip down and get on the table on my stomach. I remember there being two little dogs in a sort of play pen in the corner. I strip and don't see any sort of drape so just get on the table starkers - a first for me. I can see Stephan in the other room getting oil ready and close my eyes to get relaxed. Hearing him come into the room I sneak a look and see that he's also now naked. Nice bod, pointy nips, lightly hairy chest and a large soft uncut dick, big enough to swing as he walked. He gets started working on my back and soon tells me to put my arms by my side palms up. The massage is great, he hits all the right spots and as he begins to work on my back standing beside the table I feel his dick, now semihard, in my hand. Being new at this and not knowing the code I just left it there, but when he changed sides I began to fondle his dick and felt him quickly swell up to his full length and girth. Impressive. As I fondled him he began to knead my glutes, touching my asshole a few times as well, making circles with the tip of one finger. He also touched the tip of my dick that was down between my legs.
 
When he turned me over he first sat on the edge of the table to massage my hands, placing them, one by one, right in his lap against his hard dick giving me time for a little more play. Easing me onto my back, Stephan worked his way down my chest, frequently touching my sides with his dick. He spent a fair amount of time on my nips, and since their wired I popped a true boner, so hard it hurt. This was all new to me, so I both wanted him to play with me dick, while also being nervous. Then, boom, his oiled hands are on the dick, first the base, then working up to my dickhead that was pouring out precum. When I leaned up to watch Stephan softly pushed my head back down and said "just enjoy." As soon as I complied I felt his mouth on my cock, slurping up the precum and then taking my entire length into his mouth, in and out, in and out. Holy crap, a full blow job, another massage first for me. Stopping briefly, Stephan climbed onto the table dropping his massive dick right onto my face while resuming his work on my cock. He didn't need to touch my mouth with his dick once before I got the hint and drew him into my mouth with some effort, man he was girthy. As I played with his foreskin with my tongue, it didn't take long before I started to spasm and blew my load into his mouth To my surprise this was the trigger for him to also cum, giving me a large sweet load that I slurped up. My last surprise was when he brought his lips to mine and we frenched tasting each other's loads. And that's the story, he cleaned me up and I left thinking "wow, how did THAT happen." 100% true story. My first, and still my best.
 
My next trip back I could no longer find Stephan, but he had talked about moving back home, so I guess that's what happened.

Long time lurker here, so I thought I'd add my first experience. I just graduated from college and recently came out to myself but pretty much to no one else. I had very little experience with guys, just knowing that I was (and still am) attracted to the tall, older, muscular type. I found myself on massagem4m, and I was immediately drawn to Bob Patrick's ad. He was my ultimate fantasy as a 22 year-old twink, and it took me forever to pick up the phone and call him. I remember being beyond nervous as I called and almost hung up when he picked up the phone, but he made me feel totally at ease, and I booked some time with him the next day.
 
I'm a wreck as I drive to his place in WeHo, but I find the courage to go up to his apartment. Sensing that I was nervous, he had me sit on the couch with him, and he started rubbing my feet as we chatted and I calmed the fuck down. We undressed each other, and I knew I was in for a treat when he was already rock hard as I took off his pants. I remember getting lost in his beautiful, muscular body as he encouraged me to explore him. I touched him everywhere, and his musky, manly scent drove me nuts. He then went to town on my sensitive nips before leading me to his table, which had holes strategically positioned to work my cock and nips from underneath while he massaged me from up top. He worked the knots out of my back and shoulders while constantly playing with my cock and nips. He also placed his massive cock in my hand to let me play with it. I was completely lost in the pleasure of this new experience. He finished the massage and led me to an easy chair where he asked me to lean back and close my eyes. While playing with my nips, I feel a warm wetness on my cock. I open my eyes, and I see this handsome DILF giving me one of the best blowjobs I've ever had (to this day!). He starts fingering my hole, and it doesn't take long until I'm cumming in his mouth. He slurped down every last drop, and I'm lying there dazed and spent, probably with a foolish grin on my face. Like others, my first, and still one of the best massages ever.

I had had a number of sensual massages over time which included HEs but nothing out of the ordinary until I booked a NY masseur who became a well-known practitioner and later porn star, now married living in the mid-west. I went with expectations as his website did suggest that the session had a good amount of erotic content. Jack, let me give him that name, received me with just a towel wrapped around his waist and a smile. Great blue eyes, sexy beard, muscled chest and arms, a good number of tats, not my favorite, but the overall package was hot. A glass of cold lemon water in hand proved a great welcome that early summer day. He offered me the bathroom and asked me to take my clothes off handing me a towel. Once I came out of the bathroom, he called me from an upstairs loft and asked me to come up the spiral staircase. As I walked up my towel came undone, my already semihard cock becoming obvious. Oops, I said, apologetically, Jack just laughed appreciatively. He asked me some questions about pains and surgeries and after I told him that I wanted a relaxing massage Jack asked me to lay face down on the table. He still had his towel around.
 
The table was very low, and very soft covered with a clean sheet. He began by softly running his hands and fingers all over my neck, back, arms, legs, leaving the glutes for last. Palms first and then two fingers doing a soft inspection of my hairless crack. I was already moaning softly. Jack oiled his hands and the massage began. It was firm, with long strokes mostly used in the Californian-style massage. I felt wonderful. Most strokes paid attention to my ass and I was becoming increasingly excited. I am vocal and also express myself with body movements, in fact I am quite interactive. At one point I opened my arms a bit and my left hand felt Jack’s semi erect cock which I touched with my fingers moving them back to caress/massage his perineum, something I like to do. Jack gave an exclamation and his hands went deeper into my ass crack, grabbing my balls and already hard cock. I began a rocking motion as he moved one of my legs 90º to better massage my inner thigh, perineum, and the rest. I was moaning and had my right-hand fingers moving from his perineum to his ass hole, rubbing his twitching button. Harry, you are hot man, you are hot Harry, Jack kept saying. He took my hand away, and moved between my legs, his head on my ass, his tongue licking my hole, a first for me. He stayed there a couple of minutes and licked my back and neck offering his lips and tongues to mine. We glued our mouths and I turned face up. The massage degenerated into a sucking, licking, rubbing, chewing, rimming session. I am a leaker and Jack loved using his tongue to take my precum. Towards the end, Jack gave me a masterful blow job, hands on my nips and balls while I jacked him off. I exploded after a short while and then moved so I could suck Jack and made him come over my chest with a final hand job. This was my first truly erotic session which I had the luck to repeat with Jack several times later on until he moved away.

Call me a critical thinker, but I would assume if they are getting paid that much over their advertised rate, than they did more than just a massage with their client.
 
Consider it an indicator that the masseur May be persuaded to do more than a massage. for the right incentive, of course.

False advertising! He said free area parking, nope had to pay to park on the street. No masseuse table, just bed. Used regular body lotion and one of those massage guns then a quick rub down. Relaxing music? - unless you consider pop dance music as relaxing. Don’t advertise if you can’t deliver.

Thiago, Mario and Victor are all staying at the same South of Market hotel when asked where they host.
 
Color me even more skeptical!

As a client, I think the answer to this question is pretty simple: provide an continuously exceptional experience. Obviously there are lots of other variables, some clients like regulars, others (like me) are always looking for the next shiny object. You will/won't have chemistry with some ppl. But, the few ppl I have seem multiple times (1) provide an exceptional experience (2) are focused on their clients needs VS their own (3) are good communicators and especially listeners (4) keep it fresh, i.e. mix it up a little each visit. If you fall into a "rote" routine it's over. Not to say you can't have an off day, if you build trust with someone they'll allow you that. Good luck

False advertising! He said free area parking, nope had to pay to park on the street. No masseuse table, just bed. Used regular body lotion and one of those massage guns then a quick rub down. Relaxing music? - unless you consider pop dance music as relaxing. Don’t advertise if you can’t deliver.

I am fat. I am fat and I am all that. I am fat, I am all that in and out of the sack. But this is an gay escort site so I will stick to in the sack, the bathroom. the kitchen, the parking lot, the beach, the airplane, the back seat of a car, the front seat of a car..well you get the idea. I do not have a traditionally beautiful body, but I have a great sense of sensuality and sexuality. I have a vivid imagination and I am not afraid to put that into action. I leave a partner with a smile on his face and a smile on my face. So if I, because of my size, am not number 1 on anyone's list to have sex with once, I am number one on many people's list to have sex with over and over again.
So sure, I face the occasional negative remarks and I have heard the one's whispered behind my back. There is a sting of course. But living well is the best revenge and having a vital and exhilarating sex life is part of living well. So, I am not going to ask for people to change though in general I would love for people to be kinder, more accepting and less judgmental and I am not going to change to meet some standard of beauty or for any reasons except my own.
So I am with Benjamin (who I would love to add to the list of men who want to have sex with me again) and I say, do not look for others to change. Rather, show them that they are wrong by the way you act, the way you respond and the way you live. Be kinder. Be more accepting. Be less judgmental. Be sexy as hell no matter your size may be and the world will beat a path to your bedroom door.