ZhenXBear

Your comments hit on so many of the key points as I see them that I separated them and will just do a +1 by way of asking questions I think we all ought to be thinking about, if the goal is to get to effective and pragmatic solutions:
 

 
Absolutely. I was just with a client who is a retired professor and administrator who proudly helped guide his college into a health care curriculum that was clearly needed and clearly helped lots of people get jobs. He is also proudly a historian. As we discussed this issue he was passionate about the fact that even if you are choosing a field of study that is likely to guide you to financial success, you should also be required to get a well-rounded education. So the question is, what are the best ways to make this both/and, rather than either/or?
 

 
Absolutely. Any effective proposals to throw more money at education are going to have to include standards and accountability. And in some ways it's not about spending more money on education. What we basically did is shifted costs from taxpayers to students, who had to accept skyrocketing tuition and debt. In my mind as a taxpayer it is perfectly reasonable to say I'll pay more taxes to help pay for your education, so you can have less debt, but I expect accountability in return. So the question is, what are the best standards and ways to hold colleges and students accountable?
 

 
Absolutely. As I said above, I am a poster child for getting a liberal arts education, and I went out of my way to avoid the things that looked like the sure path to financial success. Fortunately, my Mom and Dad made enough to pay for most of my education, and I got Summer jobs, so I had no debt. And ha ha, I'm a smart enough guy with a good enough education that I succeeded financially anyway. But I think it really is a myth to say there used to be some golden day when everybody got this great liberal arts education we don't get today. To overstate the point, that world mainly benefited middle-class and upper-class white men, like me, it was an elitist model, and it all was based on the idea that only 10 % or so of the population goes to college, and they are the best and the brightest, and their degree will end up being a ticket to affluence, regardless of what they study. That world still exists at places like Harvard and Yale. College has always been about jobs as well as well-rounded education. So the question is, what are the best models today, in a more diverse country where more kids of more races and more skill levels are going to college than ever before?
 

 
Absolutely. One of my clients thinks that any student who gets federal help should be required to complete college at a 4 year institution in 4 years. I think that's a nice ideal, especially if the deal includes taxpayers paying for all or most of the ride, but it has to deal with the financial reality that people have to pay their bills, and not everyone comes from a middle-class family. And the other reason that some students take longer is they take "unnecessary" classes. But in a world where it's more likely than ever that you will bounce between different careers, either within one field or across fields, is it bad to, in effect, be "overeducated?" I would argue you can't be "overeducated" in today's job market. So the question is, if taxpayers are footing some or all of the bill, what is a reasonable set of expectations of students in terms of how much education they get?
 

 
Absolutely. If there is one simple, one-size-fits-all solution, I think it would be to ban for-profit education, period. Unfortunately, that would throw a lot of good babies out with the bad bathwater. The Obama administration has made some reasonable attempts to crack down on the worst offenders with the highest drop-out rates where students with inadequate skills were more or less doomed to fail. The other point to remember is Elizabeth Warren is right: the federal loan program is a profit center. The question is, how much sense does it make to weaken our economy long-term by forcing students who do graduate and got jobs to carry heavy debt loads, just so we can have a federal student loan program that in the short-term makes money?
 
I have a personal way of thinking about this. The government, who greatly fear the older voters who AARP organizes so well, is willing to dump limitless amounts of money through Medicare and Medicaid on my 93 year old Mom who has dementia and who bluntly has not future but to slowly waste away and die. I am very grateful for those programs. But why in God's name would the same government say that my Mom, if she were 18, can't go get the kind of education that would make her and her family prosper, unless she is willing to go into massive debt? As long as we stay out of more stupid wars, I don't think these are either/or choices. We can "take care" of both my Mom and her granddaughters. I hope we have a serious debate in this election about our investment priorities.

I think business has been the death knell of liberal arts degrees. They don't want to mentor people and develop skill sets in potential employees who could be brilliant assets if developed. They want to hire and have you hit the ground running, bringing most things to the table; if your lucky you get to add things to your tool chest while your there. I honestly don't know how these young grass get much of a break.

Definitely an alarming statistic, Steven. When I was in college my degree choice was very focused, so when I graduated I knew exactly what I was going to be doing in healthcare. I did go to a University that insisted that even Science focused majors receive "core requirements" in both the arts, humanities and business. At the time I was pretty annoyed but looking back I do feel they helped me indirectly, but not directly.
 
In addition to the spiraling cost of education I think what's missing is transparency on the part of Universities. It's almost reached the point where I feel that the Federal government and any institution that accepts financial aid should be required to publish the average salaries, job employment prospects and job titles of every degrees student for a period of five years after graduation.
 
So often we see case examples of students graduating with Political Science, history or basic business degrees who find jobs that leave them incapable of making student loan payments. When someone declares a major there should be transparency and doses of reality surrounding what they're going to be able to do with it.
 
I'm also disturbed by the profitability associated with funding education. I'm immediately distrustful because the global banking system is painfully morally bankrupt. I truly wish the government would fully fund education at zero interest rates so that when people came out of college they didn't have so many chips stacked against their success. It's one of the few things all Americans could benefit from and actually use other than the postal service.
 
Today, I'm still involved with my original career choice but it's taken me in an interesting and enjoyable direction. I wish that every college student today could have some level of security knowing that their decisions to pursue a specific degree was not going to be the specter that haunts them 10 years down the road.

Plus the overwhelming student debt that is crushing students and families.

It was interesting that in the interview, the provider of the app almost choked when he had almost said 60. He clearly stated that there are a lot of hot daddies in the 40 and 50 year age groups, but while he did say and beyond, he definitely did not go on to tell of all the hot daddies in the 60 70 and 80 year age group. Perhaps he is waiting to come out the the Granddaddy app for Daddies who are Grand and Granddaddies.

Zhen, I believe it means we can state uncategorically that we, as happy clients, have all found our own particularly rewarding niche of this fringe of a fringe within this hobby!!! I know I have!
 
TruHart1

Lol, Tru. What does this mean for fringe elements within a fringe, let alone a niche within a fringe of a fringe!

Let's face it, this entire hobby is definitely more fringe than mainstream in every way!!!
 
TruHart1

There is such a thing as platonic love. That's how I'd describe the kind of love between client and escort (or escort and client, or both) that is healthy and okay to have beyond the session. I can't turn my emotions on and off the way some of you have described. I can either like the escort and love the experience, or I can love both, but for me, the love for both can't be confined to a session.
 
It's when the client wants a romantic relationship or sex off the clock or becomes obsessed that trouble begins.

Off topic, when looking for a collective noun for a group of escorts, 'an anthology of pros' was the winning suggestion.

:)Damn I'm glad it's not just me. I've been married almost half my life, so a relaxed, close feel is natural for me. Finding a companion that prefers a "Date Night With My Guy" vibe, without mentioning it, was beyond my wildest expectations.

I am really impressed by all the positive comments on this thread and maybe a little surprised that so many of you do seem to understand the concept of falling in short-term love for the moment but being able to realize that after the session concludes, you can move on and get back to your own lives without being hung up on someone. An interactive mutually beneficial relationship with no strings.
 
Personally, I have found there are also a handful of escorts out there I've hired who continue our friendships off the clock, where they and I keep in touch but neither expects anything other than being good friends, with whatever that might entail for each individual!
 
TruHart1

Loving someone comes with accountability regardless if it's mutual… especially when you are an adult and have lived some. To expect reciprocation is the ego… Loving and true love is growth. It should always be the head over heart, especially when it's under the agreement of an escort client situation and when there is a wife and kids involved… but it doesn't mean you can't learn how to feel and allow it fully. Allowing it fully doesn't mean love letters and pining.

Totally magical- real stuff… Why not? It can transcend.

Everyone has their own ideas and perceptions about what a BFE is and what it involves. For many people the experiences of past relationships are what we use to define the interactions that we seek out in such an encounter.
 
How do you as a companion prepare for this type of request? Do you specifically ask? Do you instinctively know? Are they more difficult for you? More enjoyable? More taxing?
 
Clients: What defines this type of experience for you?

What would be so wrong with carrying the love past the appointment? Does that say something bad about you? No… it doesn't. The mature part about it is that there is an understanding. I have love for clients… but I am an adult and I know they're married or I'm fully aware of the parameters of how we know each other… I live my life…I'm a grown up; but it doesn't mean the love isn't real.

I agree with your thinking Brad, and with Jack G.'s summation too. Still, when I (personally) have a true BFE, it always seems to me that the escort is so invested and interactive that I actually fall in love for the time we spend together. Don't get me wrong, I don't carry the love past the end of our time together, but during our time together I feel a meshing of ourselves physically and mentally. Good acting? Maybe but so good I don't feel the line between authenticity and artifice, during our time together! Yes, it absolutely is a truly special escort skill but I do think all the greats I've connected with on the BFE level have that skill, some stronger than others!
 
JMHO
 
TruHart1

Or like Joan Rivers said "It's all like a movie…" I like what Jack says too…

Authenticity, opposed to putting on a show and being manipulative so that when your hand reaches out at the end of an appointment it's back-uped by how many hoops you jumped through. I don't believe it's something any escort can do, because that is the actual skill, being yourself, and when we know we're giving that… so will the client. It's not just an escort thing though… being yourself isn't for everyone. Humans are truly sophisticated, though we often deny that mechanism; but when we feel something real, opposed to the alternative, it's undeniable. It's the difference between sky diving from a plane and going on a roller coaster; your body knows the difference. So in that… there is no preparation aside from what you'd normally do. That's the BFE… real opposed to going to Disneyland. And how does it differ… from the Non-BFE? Same person… less exposed.

For someone who claims to take Privates Jets around and shun Rolex watches , why in the world is "Uber" even in your lexicon?
 
Ride-sharing is for the proletariat darling.