Kenny

What? No link to Thorhester's guysite scene??

I only saw Channing in one play that probably lost money, but like her or dislike her, Carol Channing was a major Broadway star. (Even if Ethel Merman could not remember her name .)

TV "news" is pretty worthless. They read newspaper headlines, then send out crews to chase ambulances.

My local paper is relatively cheap, but i’d subscribe even if they were more expensive. There is HUGE value in having local journalists on the courthouse beat or the statehouse beat. If they’re any good, that is. Without subscribers there won’t be any reason to keep them asking awkward questions.
 
Our local paper is small and relies a lot on syndicated content, but it does still hit my drveway 363 days/year with local coverage.
 
I also subscribe to the Chicago Trib and WaPo online. (I’ve lived in both cities. Local news there is still of interest.)

And things like Craig’s list completed killed the classifieds. Like overnight. Gone.

I subscribed to the L.A. Times for nearly 50 years. It was delivered 7 days a week. The Times went through so many reductions in staff, and coverage to make me consider canceling. When they changed the agency doing my home delivery, and my paper began arriving everywhere except my doorstep (if it arrived at all) I finally cancelled. After a year of no paper, I tried the online version of the L.A. Times. I am enjoying it. It looks just like the physical paper. You can scan each page and if you want read an article in depth, you tap on it and boom, you have it enlarged with all the attendant images in a gallery. I’ve become very accustomed to reading on my iPad so it really feels perfectly normal. I got a deal for a one month trial for $.99 for the first month and $4.99 a month after that. I am also pleased that I don’t have to recycle all the paper.

That’s what I was trying to say, ineptly. The ex-editor was explaining the Advocate’s blanket “no outing” policy.

Good point. F*cking someone is exactly like going to a wedding.

Good point. F*cking someone is exactly like going to a wedding.

You need to get out more.

Leaning against a railing is ‘poor body mechanics’? Yeah, I’m sure he got that body by being mechanically clueless.

Good point. F*cking someone is exactly like going to a wedding.

Huh?

I hope you are on the payroll.

You need to get out more.

Good point. F*cking someone is exactly like going to a wedding.

Leaning against a railing is ‘poor body mechanics’? Yeah, I’m sure he got that body by being mechanically clueless.

You need to get out more.

Leaning against a railing is ‘poor body mechanics’? Yeah, I’m sure he got that body by being mechanically clueless.

He never got the memo that most folks who go for a massage want oral, anal or jerk off for half the rate of an escort.

I hope you are on the payroll.

@bigvalboy, I have never met the people who run this site, or HooBoy years before. l did work with Guy once briefly on a personal matter years ago, but we really do not know each other.
 
Now I am beginning to think it is not a bad thing to live almost three thousand miles away from the Palm Springs events.
 
I will be very sad if the political forum closes for good - devastated. But, I will not be blaming specific people.

Political correctness aside:
 
I can't speak for Oliver or Epigonos, nor do I know why they have the feeling that if the party is over, then so be it. I will say that in speaking with several members over the last several days, that seems to be a common thread, myself included. My thoughts? The list is far too long of those that have come here and posted and enriched my life, and you Steven would certainly be at the top of that list. Oh yes, we've had our outs, but you're pretty damn smart for an ignorant whore. I will always admire your contributions here and to the world. I have met some wonderful friends here, many will be lifelong. I have learned more on this forum, than most could imagine, but it has never felt like a community to me, never. There has always been a disconnect between those that post here and those that run the place. At every turn, in private messages, emails, phone calls, over a meal or casual conversation, everyone always seemed to be walking on eggshells, afraid to cross the "powers that be,". It wears on you over time, it was tiresome, so when someone asked me the other day, "What do you think will happen to the forum?" My reaction was similar to your friends.
 
Last week something changed. Can't put my finger on it really, but you could feel things unraveling. Does that translate into what your friends were talking about, I don't know, but I wouldn't be so quick to put blame on anyone who doesn't want to fight for this place. Everyone here is different, they come here for different reasons, and stay for different reasons, I just don't see the the PR&W forum surviving under the guidelines being proposed. Politics is too personal, too emotional, too divisive, too partisan in this climate.
 
Anyway, that's all I got. I'll be here until I log on one day and I get the message. "You've been banned for the following reasons" Then I'll quietly exit stage left, and my life will go on as it did before.
 
Cheers to all those that make this place so special. You know who you are.

Sort of à propos of @Kenny's comment on dog whistles, after the state election in Victoria on Saturday where the conservative opposition campaigned (and lost, big time) on law and order (subtext: alleged Sudanese gangs) and classic Conservative hot button issues (LGBTI issues, a safe injecting room) a commentator observed that dog whistles no longer work (or at least work less well) because people now see through them and know exactly what they mean. Much of the recent debate here on the right has been about how the [conservative] Liberal Party was abandoning its base and losing ground because of that. Some hard right pundits claimed that the Liberals lost on Saturday because they weren't right wing enough. The more widely accepted interpretation is that although the Liberal Party may have had a conservative membership base, their more progressive electoral base had abandoned them on Saturday. One moderate Liberal senator opined this morning that Liberal voters were sick of conservative views shoved down their throats. [There may be no lessons in this for the US. Here we have compulsory voting, so staying at home on election day isn't an option.]
 
As to Steven's questions, is what I have said necessary in these forums. My answer is no, but it might be interesting to some people. Is it really a political discussion? I would say no, but it is a comment on how politics works differently in different countries (and that observations on one polity don't translate to another, political systems and popular attitudes to issues are too different).
 
If we have a politics forum, should it be about politics in general, or about activism for issues that affect this community? One of the fallacies that we fight is that general politics and LGBTI politics are separate. They are but they aren't. While there are specific battles that are ours and ours alone, all political issues affect us as much as they affect anyone else. The argument that something is not an LGBTI issue is an argument to marginalise us. We don't need other people to tell us what we as a group should be interested in. That said, although I can see in interest in discussing politics in general, I see little appetite here for specific activism.