wallnut

I saw him last summer during a trip back to LA. Setting up the appointment was easy, and it's clear he knows his stuff. He’s very specific about what he offers. I requested a therapeutic deep tissue massage, and that’s exactly what I got—no upselling or distractions during the session. His space was clean and well-maintained. The only downside was the parking, which was a bit tricky, but being originally from LA, I was prepared for the K-town traffic. Overall, a great experience, and I’d definitely go back next time I’m in LA and to try something more hands on.

This is provably a dumb question but is there anything/anybody in the Orange County or Long Beach area that is similar to Thai Wellness? 
I tried Tommy out the other day, but the drive is horrendous from OC. 
 

Judging from the RM photos, massage isn’t really the goal. Woof!

Anyone have experience here with anything beyond therapeutic?

https://www.masseurfinder.com/massage-therapists/50904/
 
EliteBodyRelief - Male Massage & Bodywork in Los Angeles, CA | RentMasseur
RENTMASSEUR.COM Gay Masseur EliteBodyRelief in Los Angeles, CA offering a wide range of massages ⭐ experienced in therapeutic, sensual... Saw him and while some on here might enjoy, he wasn’t for me. Technically good massage, but too transactional with a clear delineation between the two different services he offers (therapeutic and sensual). I don’t like when everything is spelled out in advance and the massage doesn’t just flow from one to the other. Pics are accurate, seems like a nice guy but cultural differences I think made communication come off a bit aloof. Also a bit pricey for what he’s offering. YMMV but I wouldn’t repeat.

Yah, I feel like it needs to be a really great experience for a 60 minute massage to warrant at $300+ price tag.

Price point doesn’t match the experience at all. Completely average in all ways.

I had a session with him, he is nice decent behaved guy. extremely hairy legs and butt.
he was not hard at all during the entire session and his dick was soft like a used condom.
Massage was average. There was not much for me to touch and feel. I would not repeat.

The massage itself was mediocre at best, maybe a C+. He was friendly enough, but the deal breaker, something I wasn’t warned about, was that he wears gloves the entire time. The sensation was so unpleasant I nearly stopped the session on the spot. I only let it continue out of curiosity to see how bad it could get.
Then came the real shocker: midway through, he offered a “happy ending” or mutual touch for an extra fee. I declined, of course. To top it off, he added that even if I wanted to touch him, I’d have to wear gloves. Boy, talk about someone who can’t stand the heat but insists on working in the kitchen.
This isn’t just disappointing, it’s absurd. He is in the wrong business entirely. Avoid at all costs. Unless, of course, you’ve always dreamed of paying good money to feel like you’re being massaged by a hazmat crew.

I tried him when he was strictly therapeutic, but would love to try out his sensual

A couple of posters reviewed him in another thread. Sounds like they felt that his erotic massage upcharge was not worth the price. 
 

Off topic here from above messages:
I went to a masseur who focused on meditation and breathing in his sessions but allowed nudity for both parties. He mentioned he does sensual modality but no sexual activity (especially no penetration)which was fine me since I was looking for a relaxing experience to break up my hectic work life. He was great and we respected our space. After a few sessions, he did nuru one day which I didn’t expect but also didn’t mind. I did feel his cock getting harder as he was sliding against my back and I was getting excited but thought that this was part of the sensual experience and nothing more. 
 
That all changed when I felt his cock against my hole and he started sliding across it while gently probing along the rim. It felt so amazing and I couldn’t tell if it was the oil he was using or his precum. He did kinda see that I was into by my moaning and he was getting harder and he started getting excited and began pushing the head of his cock in. I winced and yelped a bit since I haven’t been fucked in awhile. I told him to stop but I could tell he wanted it and honestly I did too but the pain was getting to me. He told me he’ll be gentle and I said ok and pour some oil down my bum and started sliding up and down. It was so fucking hot that I started precumming a lot and he saw how wet I was he grabbed my ass and started eating it and forced his tongue in and out of my hole. I started cumming and he then went under me and drained me dry and swallowed. I was exhausted afterwards but I can tell he wanted more and we went way beyond our allotted time. 
 
I asked if he wanted to cum and he said yeah. And I asked if wanted to fuck and he agreed by turning me around. This time I was more relaxed and he went in gently with his wet cock. The moment the head went in..I was fucking blown away and he gently slid his head in and out of my hole without pulling out. He pushed in further and fucked me so hard that the sound of sweat and precum between us was so wet and loud. He asked where he can cum and I told him that he cum inside me. He obliged and rammed his cock one last time and I felt cock pulsating his load into me. Everything was a blur after but he was giving me scalp massage and we made out in the end. He cleaned me up and i was a bit horny still and he could tell since I was still kinda hard. He said if I had fun and I said definitely and asked if I was done. I said no and asked if I wanted to do something else. I asked if I can suck on his cock. He agreed and we went to shower and I blew him in the bathroom. His cock and cum tasted sweet which I didn’t expect. I haven’t seen him since and I do want to go back but for his massages but I’m afraid its gonna be full blown sex. 
 

Saw Alex recently and had a similar experience. While he was nice, the sensual elements were not incorporated throughout the massage, and there was no frontal massage. Felt robotic with him announcing the release at the end. Would not recommend. 

Thank you wallnut , I really appreciate your understanding. I always try to take ownership of my actions while keeping the conversation respectful, and it is encouraging to know that is being recognized

Just gonna update that I saw him a last month. Very nice body (a little leaner than in his pics but still muscular). English isn't his first language so you may have some communication barrier if you don't speak Chinese. The massage is actually pretty good, but he's one of those people who will just tell you to turn over after and he goes through the motions. He fondles a bit when you are facing down but that's really it. He wouldn't do anything more. 

I haven't hired Owen before, but I will say I appreciate the way he phrased his apologies above. He seems to be taking ownership without getting defensive. 

I haven't hired Owen before, but I will say I appreciate the way he phrased his apologies above. He seems to be taking ownership without getting defensive. 

I haven't hired Owen before, but I will say I appreciate the way he phrased his apologies above. He seems to be taking ownership without getting defensive. 

Has anyone tried out Mike's sensual massage? If so, how was it?

That's Matt. He's real. Lives in West Hollywood.
Great therapeutic massage. Sadly, he doesn't do the kind of massage most of us are looking for. 

Here more info
His profile here
https://www.companyofmen.org/profile/20617-mattias/
 

He's visiting LA. 
Shared his incall rate :   200/60 min, 250/90 min
Based on the comments, I'm tempted, but having sticker shock lately on rates.

Thanks for taking one for the team! Good to know about the skilled massage. That's unfortunate about it being mostly therapeutic only, especially at a price of nearly $200 for 60 minutes. I will pass unless he drops his rates. 

How odd that it didn’t pop up, being my own previous post! Thanks for that. Looks like no one’s biting. I may have to just wade on in.

I went two Fridays ago and yeah, you're right, not worth it for strippers. The guys just stood standing around a table and I saw only a few of them sitting with patrons but not really doing anything. The show was pretty entertaining though and I did get to meet a cute guy from Sinaloa. It was honestly just another gay club to me not a stripper bar. Also the area is really sketchy, the taxi drivers outside the bar chased my Uber off and then other Uber drivers refused to pick me up cause they said that area is too dangerous.