taoboyone
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taoboyone reacted to SecretProvider in Assessing a (New) Providers Profile.
I offered to look up a providers profile for someone here who was asking for help assessing it and have been receiving requests to do so for others DAILY now (some people haven't even said 'please') so I thought I would post a little 'how to assess and hire' guide and just send the link.
Disclaimer - *none of this is fool-proof and there is always inherent risk in anything you do. You can walk outside and be struck by lightning today. Please do not comment with 'whataboutisms' or tales of woe on this thread. I don’t care and I won’t read it.
1. VPN
Use a VPN to view the rentmen site so you can read the text in the reviews. Pages of discussions of what VPN is best are on this site. I recommend Privado which is subscription based, but I use a VPN whenever I turn on my computer or phone. There is a free site - nl.hideproxy.me that works however you must use Chrome browser on laptop.
2. REVIEWS
Look at who has left the reviews. Check the client profiles. Did they open the account at a similar time to the provider, or have they been on rentmen for years? Have they left many reviews? Has one provider got 15 reviews but 7 are from the same person? Do they have lots of great reviews and then one bad one? Have a look at the person who left the bad reviews profile - has the person that left the bad review left lots of bad reviews for other guys too?
Reach out and send a message to clients that have left reviews and ask some questions. Don't ask for a blow-by-blow account- just ask brief question that is relevant for you. eg. Does he have a nice place to host? Did he kiss?)
Search the providers name here on Company of Men. If you find no threads - start a 411 thread and ask if anyone has experience. This is a GREAT way to see if a 'new' provider is actually a name changer, and just a new profile. This site is a cesspool at times, but it can also be a great resource. Help add to the resource. If you are interested, it's likely someone else is too! Please remember if someone posts a 411 thread about a guy who you don't like the look of - move on! no need to yuk on other peoples yum.
How many reviews does this person have compared to how long they have been on the site. Keeping in mind – guys located in big cities will have more clients, reviews can only be left by premium members now, and so newer guys take a little longer to get some. Some guys only work this as a side hustle and also might not have as many reviews.
3. PHOTOS
Have a look at when the photos were uploaded, are any recent? You can see the date added, there should be photos from at least this year. Does it look like any pics were massively photoshopped or changed? Do they have at least 10 photos?
If they have blurred face on their profile, are they willing to send via other means? For eg snapchat, whatsapp, facetime. If they are not willing to do this, it is a BIG RED FLAG.
4. PNP
Does the provider list PNP? If so, what does that even mean? My advice is to steer clear from providers, or people in general, who do hard drugs. If you like the look of the provider anyway, reach out ask 'what does PNP mean for you?' The results will vary. Some may say 'oh I like to sometimes take gummies' 'I like to do coke' 'I like to do Tina', 'I don't party but I don't mind if you do'. A good rule is: Only go with providers that do the same level of partying as you do yourself.
OK SO YOU FINALLY CHOSE THE GUY YOU WANT TO MEET- NOW WHAT?
5. Messaging
When reaching out - Be direct, polite and clear. Use this template -
Hello, my name is (desired name)
I'm in (desired city) and I would like to get together with you (Desired date and time)
I'm interested in (incall/outcall) and doing (desired information)
Don't message 'hi how are you?' and nothing else. While that may seem fine to message a friend or someone on a dating app, you wouldn't reach out to another service provider (hairdresser, doctor, cleaner, realtor, chef) and just wait for a reply to that. We don't have time to reply to every message that says "hey".
Please don't say 'I’m looking for fun.' 'I want to feel good.' 'I want to relax'. Its lame and it tells us nothing. Tell us exactly what you are interested in.
If you use this template you WILL get a good response. Especially of you text it.
6. READ. THE. PROFILE
It's extremely frustrating and annoying when 'clients' reach out and ask questions where the answer is clearly written on the profile. 'How tall are you?' "Do you host?' 'Are you cut or uncut' 'do you top' All of the stats, positions, likes and interests, current city + travel dates - there is a wealth of infomation on our profiles, it will save you time to have a quick read!
Don't ever message and ask 'What are you into?' It is not relevant and reeks of someone wanting jerk off material. For providers, it is a huge red flag when ‘clients’ message this.
7. Communicate what you are looking for.
Say what you want. We are not mind readers. We have heard it ALL I assure you.
8. Deposits.
Deposits. To be or not to be - that is the question! Loathe to hear anyone else opinion on this - don't message me I literally do not care what you have to say- I'm just giving my take as I have been asked about it many times now, that doesn't mean I am asking for yours.
1. New providers should not be asking for deposits.
2. You should not be sending a deposit to someone who has no reviews.
3. Same day in-call appointments should not require a deposit.
4. We do receive a huge amount of fake bookings and if you are wanting an outcall - providing an uber if asked is not unreasonable for a new provider to ensure it is YOU who is not a scammer/flake/pranker.
If, and only IF - the provider does have plenty of reviews both here and on rentmen, a SMALL deposit is fine, but really nothing more than $50. If you are wanting an overnight, or the provider to travel a great distance - it is reasonable that small amount would be ratioed taking the distance/time into account. For eg, I do ask for the equivalent of 1hr fee as deposit if I am to be booked for overnight, traveling interstate or internationally.
Some factual background - I require all new clients to send minimal deposit and it has not reduced my workload at all. The only change I experienced was the rate of cancelations has since reduced to almost zero. (last year only 2 cancellations/no shows the whole YEAR) This year after seeing all the nonsense posted on these boards by Couch Critics, Monday Morning Quarterbacks and just total Clowns - I stopped requesting them for new clients just to see what would happen. The result of the experiment was shocking even to me. A cancelation/ghosting rate of 65% for that month. This percentage rate increased when it was a client who messaged ONLY from rentmen messenger, or a burner phone number (yes we can tell if you are using a burner phone). Whilst the vast majority of people who use this forum are the real deal, please understand that if you say 'just trust me I am coming' the truth is – the stats show that you are more than likely not.
If you are reaching out to a new provider - they have not earned the rank of being able to request deposits. Ask them if they have no deposit options instead – perhaps for a same day in-call appointment may work. If you are reaching out to an established provider, they may have no-deposit options you can do as well. If you are wanting a longer booking, or for the provider to hold a spot open for you on the just the promise that you will arrive and not a deposit - you may be out of luck.
A well-reviewed provider will not runway with your $50 when they can make $300 or more by actually seeing you - and maybe make a new regular client out of you (our best hope!).
9. Have fun. Be Safe. Use Commonsense.
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taoboyone reacted to Tandy Newton in ThicMuscleJock Nick Bayne?
Providers today are a different breed of people from those who chose this as a calling 15, 20, 30 years ago. The men who chose to be providers back then did it for a variety of reasons: altruism, compassion, sharing love and just a natural love of sex. But most importantly, it was the understanding that a lot of gay men never had an outlet to safely express their sexual identity without possibility of getting physically hurt, outed and ostracized.
Today's providers are a different generation, they don't see same sex attractions as a introspective feeling that others are trying to understand. Its just who they are and they know they are hot and if you want a piece of this, you better have the means and ways they require to even be in their presence. With the advent of gay rights, abolished sodomy laws, gay marriage, the Internet, extremely progressive western countries with large LGBT populations and spaces where other handsome, muscular, virile men can meet each other without any fear (circuit parties, gay cruises, gay themed resorts) and then to top it off, Only Fans; today's provider is both justifiably entitled and empowered.
Also, there are a lot of rich professionals who happen to be gay or bisexual; many of them work at the big tech companies or are lawyers. If you are an AI scientist making 3 million per year or more; spending 5% of that income on a provider is insignificant. Going forward, there will be new guys trying to break into the industry; being a provider is usually a start and sometimes this maybe the best way for some of us to meet someone of Nicks caliber before they go into the mainstream.
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taoboyone reacted to + JEC in Shower Sessions
Starting a session with a joint shower is hot AF, IMHO. It achieves multiple purposes, including:
ensures you are BOTH as clean as possible allows you to explore each others bodies creates an ice-breaker gets you revved up for the apres-shower experience I love the process of getting someone all soapy! Sliding my hands all over their body.
Hell, if the vibe is right you could complete your entire experience there (in the shower).
I do recommend letting your provider know that's how you'd like to start the session.
Jump in!
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taoboyone got a reaction from Dicastri in Shower Sessions
Hi
Say I've identified what looks and seems to me like a really fine match of an escort for the experience I want to have, based on info from this site. One commentator referenced what I assume was the guy's stinky butt that interferred with the client's pleasure. To circumvent any such trouble, am I right [I'm not a butt-muncher or interested in same, but really want good hygiene] to think that arranging in advance for the session to start with a mutual shower, assuming the escort likes the idea, would avoid this issue? As in--I could wash his butt for him, and vice versa.
Thanks for your advice. Fuck any snark-talkers, in advance, please.
Taoboyone
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taoboyone reacted to Archangel in Overweight/Obese CLIENTS
As to “hot guys with old fat men” –
1) Some guys think fat guys ARE hot guys.
2) Some guys think “hot guys” are NOT hot.
3) Some guys think old men ARE hot.
4) What counts as fat, hot, or old?
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taoboyone got a reaction from Walt in 411 on Ford_ford
Here goes. I spent most of a day plus an afternoon with Ford_Ford, last year, and have thought about this man more than any other since. I'm not gay, but was totally enamored with his manliness. That's why I hired him. I didn't exactly catch feelings; I think I caught more the sense of what it's like to be him, and THEN I caught my own caretaker feelings about the fella. Just breeze through the following, ratfuck your snark, and be as kind as you can be:
Yes, he has sweetness about him. I wouldn't say, emotionally, he's sweet. His momma clearly loved/shone on him. If you fetishize, as I as a long ago fat kid have, aspects of the male body [particularly when they fuse you with your very manly strong silent combat-constricted father], like hairy mounded chest and proportionate strong delts, upper and lower arms, thighs, calves, then go to your guy. I do kinda think he's tempermentally a bottom, as someone above thought. I, because I wanted to smash together my fantasies with what I could match them with [opportunity presented itself later in my life], I encouraged him to use me in a way I actually abhor. I mean, I let him be what seemed like his idea of the top he thought I wanted. Penis jammed down throat, dick pumping hard and fast without regard to ANYONE's sensations. I mean, men, gay-porn-perfect-inflected imaginary sex. Nothing remotely arousing to me. If you get what that means. Ford is, I think, phobic about germs, contamination, butt stuff, cleanliness. Saw lots of overlapping instances of these propensities. I loved most of all sneaking grabs of his absolutely perfectly pivotal ass, rounded, hairy, tight. I mean, I don't know if you have to be a top to love this ass, but one touch tells you how special it is. That was actually enough for me, though I felt my touch was just barely acceptable to him, but I guess I didn't linger too long. I'm pretty receptive of some wee things. Fusay as his age cohort might be with age differentials. I am nearly 50 years older than he is. Though I felt he completely got that, I think he's a bit too self-absorbed, narcissistic, socially robotic [the language barrier is fucking enormous with this jazzed up guy], wary from being on the DL with his Brazilian family. Or, I'm assuming, at least the women in his family. His Insta doesn't work to hide gayness, but doesn't foregournd the hot fucking part of gayness either. He so wants to be seen as a kind of quite high-end, well-healed flaneur. He looks way more high end primped and groomed he did than a year ago He has, I think, decided to pursue a life of accumulating funds while sending some money home. He didn't finish a business degree. I can imagine, from looking at his travel locations in the last year, that he has encountered, and perhaps established ongoing relations with, guys with the big money. This guy is [at least for some people] an ideal kind of man. Why wouldn't you pay for that, if.......you longed for it, and had the big money? So all the travel BS is related to money, although I couldn't begin to know how. I think this guy would make a great model for romances--in whatever form that would manifest today. Although I can't take, maybe, sole credit, I emailed him a couple examples of how he might better show off his haiiry manly muscley proportionate body. I do think his pictures--not the quality of them--are more alluring to frank lovers of this big full-service maleness he can display. I worry you can't keep what he's up to going for an extended period. So, if you see him, worship and be kind to him.