peterhung85

I would say that to determine an answer, it also boils down to your level of tolerance and personality. One client who may seem "annoying or bad" to one provider may not be considered as such for me. Over a decade of me providing services to gentlemen, I have met less than 5 people I would consider a bad / non-repeat experience, but I know of other providers who would have considered a lot more of those clients as bad ones, simply because I know how they handle certain people and certain situations.

It happens in many ways, shapes and forms, especially in Las Vegas. There is no other city in the USA where the activities of vice is so prevalent. Although they MOSTLY target the straight world, it happens plenty when they "go both ways" ... Typically, they do it all, so can't tell you how it goes down "typically". Female undercover officers sit at bars and try to pick you up (haven't heard of men doing it to other men) and male officers do the same thing to women. Vice, printing out hundreds of ads and dialing like there is no tomorrow. Using emails to set up dates, chat features, text messages. They really do it all.
 
They don't want to imprison you for this, but the county really needs the revenue that derives from it. That may be one of the reasons why someone (I have read it) who was the top offender in Las Vegas got arrested for solicitation over 130 times and only served jail time TWICE. It is all about the revenue!
 
When I visited a good client of mine and popped up my usual question of "so what brings you to town" he swiftly responded: "A court date".
 
...so turns out he hired a masseur online and it was vice. They arrested him and searched his room. Turns out he was in town with his ex boyfriend who happened to have drugs in the room. Later on the solicitation charge was dropped simply because the DA knew they had no case against him whatsoever (Vegas is very peculiar in that regards, vice needs to meet quotas and they care less about the "strength of the case"), but they ended up charging him with a much greater issue (possession of drugs) and the legal defense was rather costly for him.
 
As I said, Vegas is a special case in many ways when it comes to this line of work. No entrapment laws here, forget about local vs. foreign number, sometimes they go as far as dressing up as an Arab sheikh (actually it was in one of the episodes of cops), cheap room vs. big suite (virtually all hotels participate) and if you read the penal code, it is written in a very vague way that opens up to a lot of different ways of interpretation. Add to the mix that many people think solicitation is "all legit" here; spoiler alert: It is NOT!
 
Sadly, one of Daddy's golden rules of "know the law" doesn't necessarily protect you from an arrest, but it does protect you from convictions. There are certain guidelines you can implement for yourself to try to mitigate risk, but if LE wants you, they will have you (whether it is a legtimate arrest or not, they care less). I am not an attorney and the above one is not a legal advice, just my personal opinion and experience of 10+ years in Las Vegas, so consult an attorney to know how the law applies in your situation. End of fine-print

We all draw a line somewhere. It is up to each provider what they feel comfortable with and what the deal-breakers are.
For me it all comes down to 2 things:
- Manners
- Hygiene
 
...medical conditions I am fine with, as long as it is not a contagious one. Anything that doesn't jeopardize my health is fine. If it is a "cosmetic" issue on the client's behalf, it is truly not a concern of mine. So is being overweight. Connection and chemistry trumps those things.
 
Oh, and did you say NO TEETH? Bring that on!!!!! ?

We all draw a line somewhere. It is up to each provider what they feel comfortable with and what the deal-breakers are.
For me it all comes down to 2 things:
- Manners
- Hygiene
 
...medical conditions I am fine with, as long as it is not a contagious one. Anything that doesn't jeopardize my health is fine. If it is a "cosmetic" issue on the client's behalf, it is truly not a concern of mine. So is being overweight. Connection and chemistry trumps those things.
 
Oh, and did you say NO TEETH? Bring that on!!!!! ?

We all draw a line somewhere. It is up to each provider what they feel comfortable with and what the deal-breakers are.
For me it all comes down to 2 things:
- Manners
- Hygiene
 
...medical conditions I am fine with, as long as it is not a contagious one. Anything that doesn't jeopardize my health is fine. If it is a "cosmetic" issue on the client's behalf, it is truly not a concern of mine. So is being overweight. Connection and chemistry trumps those things.
 
Oh, and did you say NO TEETH? Bring that on!!!!! ?

We all draw a line somewhere. It is up to each provider what they feel comfortable with and what the deal-breakers are.
For me it all comes down to 2 things:
- Manners
- Hygiene
 
...medical conditions I am fine with, as long as it is not a contagious one. Anything that doesn't jeopardize my health is fine. If it is a "cosmetic" issue on the client's behalf, it is truly not a concern of mine. So is being overweight. Connection and chemistry trumps those things.
 
Oh, and did you say NO TEETH? Bring that on!!!!! ?

We all draw a line somewhere. It is up to each provider what they feel comfortable with and what the deal-breakers are.
For me it all comes down to 2 things:
- Manners
- Hygiene
 
...medical conditions I am fine with, as long as it is not a contagious one. Anything that doesn't jeopardize my health is fine. If it is a "cosmetic" issue on the client's behalf, it is truly not a concern of mine. So is being overweight. Connection and chemistry trumps those things.
 
Oh, and did you say NO TEETH? Bring that on!!!!! ?

We all draw a line somewhere. It is up to each provider what they feel comfortable with and what the deal-breakers are.
For me it all comes down to 2 things:
- Manners
- Hygiene
 
...medical conditions I am fine with, as long as it is not a contagious one. Anything that doesn't jeopardize my health is fine. If it is a "cosmetic" issue on the client's behalf, it is truly not a concern of mine. So is being overweight. Connection and chemistry trumps those things.
 
Oh, and did you say NO TEETH? Bring that on!!!!! ?

We all draw a line somewhere. It is up to each provider what they feel comfortable with and what the deal-breakers are.
For me it all comes down to 2 things:
- Manners
- Hygiene
 
...medical conditions I am fine with, as long as it is not a contagious one. Anything that doesn't jeopardize my health is fine. If it is a "cosmetic" issue on the client's behalf, it is truly not a concern of mine. So is being overweight. Connection and chemistry trumps those things.
 
Oh, and did you say NO TEETH? Bring that on!!!!! ?

On the whole, how many clients are really that bad? Is the fear and talk of a bad client really warranted? I said in a post in the Deli I’d ask this here. It seems like it’s an ongoing concern and I’m curious just how widespread bad clients are.
 
I have no doubt there are clients from hell. And flakes. I’d count flakes as bad clients for this discussion. Clients who actualize and guys who never follow through – how much of your escort energy is spent on these less-than-ideal interactions?
 
If a client turns out to be bad, would you allow him to rehire? What makes that determination for you?
 
Genuinely interested...

I've saying that for a long time.. with nicer words.
 
Escorting is not for everybody, only the good ones can make a career, save money and if they last build wealth for them and their families. I know a particular case of a local escort who has created generational wealth for decades to come for his family in Uruguay.

I've saying that for a long time.. with nicer words.
 
Escorting is not for everybody, only the good ones can make a career, save money and if they last build wealth for them and their families. I know a particular case of a local escort who has created generational wealth for decades to come for his family in Uruguay.

If I were a teacher, assigning points for answering the question asked, no one here has answered the question but @peterhung85, who is an escort. I’d have to say most here get 0 or 1 out of 10 points, for not answering the question asked.
 
The question wasn’t “What is a bad client” or even “What kind of client is the worst,” but rather “How many clients (assuming all who reach out are clients) are bad?”

If I were a teacher, assigning points for answering the question asked, no one here has answered the question but @peterhung85, who is an escort. I’d have to say most here get 0 or 1 out of 10 points, for not answering the question asked.
 
The question wasn’t “What is a bad client” or even “What kind of client is the worst,” but rather “How many clients (assuming all who reach out are clients) are bad?”

I would say that to determine an answer, it also boils down to your level of tolerance and personality. One client who may seem "annoying or bad" to one provider may not be considered as such for me. Over a decade of me providing services to gentlemen, I have met less than 5 people I would consider a bad / non-repeat experience, but I know of other providers who would have considered a lot more of those clients as bad ones, simply because I know how they handle certain people and certain situations.

It isn't just small businesses. When I worked for the internet banking division of a large bank we were shocked by things people would say and do. An auditor from a regulator said in 35 years of working in bank regulation she never saw or heard the types of stuff she saw in five years examining internet-based financial institutions.
 
Crazy!

Anyone running a small business likely can tell you about the flakes they have met. It's universal.

I would say, communication is key when it comes to setting expectations. Also, I would advise you to do your research and make sure that the person you are going to hire for an extended time has actual experience in catering to clientele who prefers extended appointments. Also a good sign if he has reviews from extended appointments where you can read his feedback left by clients like you.
 
It is preferable to test the waters with a shorter appointment first to see if there is a chemistry however I understand if that cannot be done sometimes. Also, remember that spending a week with someone vs. 1 hour can make a huge difference. It is a big expense and you want to make sure that your hard-earned money is spent on someone who can reciprocate it with delivering you fond memories that you can recall even years later.
 
Enjoy your time!

Based on that logic, what's the point of hiring in NYC, LA, SF and most other big metropolitan cities?! Furthermore, Vegas doesn't have much of a gay life/scene...

also in such a competitive market!

That's one of the biggest things I keep in mind in writing. I absolutely love this cartoon
 

Whenever an escort says something like that to me, I immediately apologize and insist they keep their original plans.
 
If they offer to change their plans, I categorically decline and insist they have fun.
 
Kill them with kindness and refuse to accept a guilt trip. Let it backfire.

If we were dealing with a conventional product (or even a personal trainer such as you) versus an escort product that is illegal for both parties, I would somewhat agree with your prepayment requirement.
 
However, due to potential problems associated with the escort business, can you tell me how a client can maintain privacy if making a prepayment to an escort and also be assured that the prepayment would be honored by the person requesting the money?
 
While many meetings with escorts go well, many do not. Also, when dealing with rentmen advertisements, a huge portion of those ads are bogus. Sending advance money requests to those who advertise escort services is near equivalent to throwing money out the window.
 
Most forum members agree on it being a bad idea to make prepayments to escorts unless the escort is a known product.

Exactly focus on violent offenders not people making choices that only affect themselves

It happens in many ways, shapes and forms, especially in Las Vegas. There is no other city in the USA where the activities of vice is so prevalent. Although they MOSTLY target the straight world, it happens plenty when they "go both ways" ... Typically, they do it all, so can't tell you how it goes down "typically". Female undercover officers sit at bars and try to pick you up (haven't heard of men doing it to other men) and male officers do the same thing to women. Vice, printing out hundreds of ads and dialing like there is no tomorrow. Using emails to set up dates, chat features, text messages. They really do it all.
 
They don't want to imprison you for this, but the county really needs the revenue that derives from it. That may be one of the reasons why someone (I have read it) who was the top offender in Las Vegas got arrested for solicitation over 130 times and only served jail time TWICE. It is all about the revenue!
 
When I visited a good client of mine and popped up my usual question of "so what brings you to town" he swiftly responded: "A court date".
 
...so turns out he hired a masseur online and it was vice. They arrested him and searched his room. Turns out he was in town with his ex boyfriend who happened to have drugs in the room. Later on the solicitation charge was dropped simply because the DA knew they had no case against him whatsoever (Vegas is very peculiar in that regards, vice needs to meet quotas and they care less about the "strength of the case"), but they ended up charging him with a much greater issue (possession of drugs) and the legal defense was rather costly for him.
 
As I said, Vegas is a special case in many ways when it comes to this line of work. No entrapment laws here, forget about local vs. foreign number, sometimes they go as far as dressing up as an Arab sheikh (actually it was in one of the episodes of cops), cheap room vs. big suite (virtually all hotels participate) and if you read the penal code, it is written in a very vague way that opens up to a lot of different ways of interpretation. Add to the mix that many people think solicitation is "all legit" here; spoiler alert: It is NOT!
 
Sadly, one of Daddy's golden rules of "know the law" doesn't necessarily protect you from an arrest, but it does protect you from convictions. There are certain guidelines you can implement for yourself to try to mitigate risk, but if LE wants you, they will have you (whether it is a legtimate arrest or not, they care less). I am not an attorney and the above one is not a legal advice, just my personal opinion and experience of 10+ years in Las Vegas, so consult an attorney to know how the law applies in your situation. End of fine-print